NJ lawmaker seeks to limit electronic cigarettes
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It gets annoying reading those articles.. Always the same damn thing.
Whats even worse is that a 25 year old started reading up on ecigs a month ago knows more then the people trying to restrict it..
As for the children, look into "smoking smarties" on youtube(Can't post links yet).
Instate a $250 fine on that please!
Whats even worse is that a 25 year old started reading up on ecigs a month ago knows more then the people trying to restrict it..
As for the children, look into "smoking smarties" on youtube(Can't post links yet).
Instate a $250 fine on that please!
I did stupid stuff when I was a kid but damn if that doesn't beat all. 
Inhaling candy, perfecting the technique, then making a video and posting it on youtube.
The best part is the kid being interviewed. "As long as you don't do it too much it should be ok."
This reinforces my opinion that no amount of regulation or taxation will stop some kids from smoking. We've banned crack and they manage to buy that.
I wish the governments, federal and state, would focus their energy and money on education. Years ago they had "public service announcements," now they just pass laws and threaten us with fines. (smoking, seat belts, motorcycle helmets, trans fat)
That knuckle head from NJ will no doubt want to ban Smarties now. If you outlaw Smarties only outlaws will have Smarties.
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Inhaling candy, perfecting the technique, then making a video and posting it on youtube.
The best part is the kid being interviewed. "As long as you don't do it too much it should be ok."
This reinforces my opinion that no amount of regulation or taxation will stop some kids from smoking. We've banned crack and they manage to buy that.
I wish the governments, federal and state, would focus their energy and money on education. Years ago they had "public service announcements," now they just pass laws and threaten us with fines. (smoking, seat belts, motorcycle helmets, trans fat)
That knuckle head from NJ will no doubt want to ban Smarties now. If you outlaw Smarties only outlaws will have Smarties.
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I don't know how it is in NJ but in MD just about any dumb schmuck can be in the state assembly.
Last election we had about 20 candidates from the two major parties. At least 5 of them weren't qualified to flip hamburgers. None of them where able to get a point across, or had any real idea of what practical improvements they intended to put forward.
Their qualifications generally consisted of being involved in just about any volunteer group, owning a small business, or simply holding down a job for more than 5-10 years. The percentage of crack pots is much higher than national politics.
Heck I'm not even mentioning those with views opposite my own.
If thats New Jersey I'd sure hate to see what the original Jersey is like.
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Last election we had about 20 candidates from the two major parties. At least 5 of them weren't qualified to flip hamburgers. None of them where able to get a point across, or had any real idea of what practical improvements they intended to put forward.
Their qualifications generally consisted of being involved in just about any volunteer group, owning a small business, or simply holding down a job for more than 5-10 years. The percentage of crack pots is much higher than national politics.
Heck I'm not even mentioning those with views opposite my own.
If thats New Jersey I'd sure hate to see what the original Jersey is like.
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"Traditional cigarettes, and their harmful chemicals and secondhand smoke, were the products for which public smoking bans were originally and rightfully intended," Salmon said, adding that the bans have been beneficial to public health. "The same cannot be said for the idea of extending bans to electronic cigarettes." - Nice quote Matt!!!!
Someone should ask Bergen County Freeholder Vernon Walton and State Assemblywoman Connie Wagner if they plan on banning the nicotine gum in the "Fruit Blast" flavor as well!?!
Someone should ask Bergen County Freeholder Vernon Walton and State Assemblywoman Connie Wagner if they plan on banning the nicotine gum in the "Fruit Blast" flavor as well!?!
And of course no place for comments.
Time for me to get started on an article about whether or not kids would actually buy these things...
Time for me to get started on an article about whether or not kids would actually buy these things...
Kristin -
E-cigarette ban: Moral fixation?
"Bergen' freeholders will vote today on whether to fine people who use electronic cigarettes up to $1,000 for inhaling from the smokeless nicotine dispensers in county buildings, public parks -- even in their cars"
Yes... that's right. $1000 for using your PV's outside of your home
You have a story here regarding constitutional rights!
E-cigarette ban: Moral fixation?
"Bergen' freeholders will vote today on whether to fine people who use electronic cigarettes up to $1,000 for inhaling from the smokeless nicotine dispensers in county buildings, public parks -- even in their cars"
Yes... that's right. $1000 for using your PV's outside of your home
You have a story here regarding constitutional rights!
Kristin -
E-cigarette ban: Moral fixation?
"Bergen' freeholders will vote today on whether to fine people who use electronic cigarettes up to $1,000 for inhaling from the smokeless nicotine dispensers in county buildings, public parks -- even in their cars"
Yes... that's right. $1000 for using your PV's outside of your home
You have a story here regarding constitutional rights!
From the link above:
Bolded part - wrongly written again....sighs... Though it seems to be a positive article overall, it still manages to perpetuate insufficient/misleading information such as what "harmless" everyday fod and other items the PG is part of etc. and that the FDA approves many of those uses.
Welcome to ECF, and that was a Profound Statement! Thanks.It gets annoying reading those articles.. Always the same damn thing.
Whats even worse is that a 25 year old started reading up on ecigs a month ago knows more then the people trying to restrict it..
As for the children, look into "smoking smarties" on youtube(Can't post links yet).
Instate a $250 fine on that please!
Who is doing the research for FDA, Who, Ash, etcd etc etc.
The whole bunch of them need to get a life, and find a different cause to screw up!
mpetva - yes... the article has some issues, although a positive pv message. It's the $1000 thing that bothers me. Really? $1000 fine? That seems kind of harsh considering in most places, a speeding ticket is $100.
The most outrageous thing about these fines is that if you sit in your car (in a public place/parking lot???), windows closed etc. and puff on your e-cig, you can also get a $1000 dollar ticket. As far as I am concerned, that is an absolute invasion of my privacy and I certainly hope that someone will challenge this in court!
I wonder if the same goes for smoking an analog in your car??
There are some very powerful forces in the background to cause something like this, this is not a result of misguided passion, it's too big, and they are really putting the heat on lawmakers... this is scary.
I also have to believe that some of this nonsense is due to the economy, this 1,000 dollar fine would generate another form of tax revenue for the powers that be, something they can't get enough of since they believe the citizens are their private piggy banks.
I also have to believe that some of this nonsense is due to the economy, this 1,000 dollar fine would generate another form of tax revenue for the powers that be, something they can't get enough of since they believe the citizens are their private piggy banks.
Are tobacco cigarettes included in this fine?Kristin -
E-cigarette ban: Moral fixation?
"Bergen' freeholders will vote today on whether to fine people who use electronic cigarettes up to $1,000 for inhaling from the smokeless nicotine dispensers in county buildings, public parks -- even in their cars"
Yes... that's right. $1000 for using your PV's outside of your home
You have a story here regarding constitutional rights!
Guess I'd need to do a lot of research!
But you have to remember to make the "children" get out of the car first!!
$1000 plus child endangerment charges as well.
Agreed, this is getting absolutely ridiculous, people have gone nuts trying to keep the world sterile and keep full control of all of it's people and all their money. Can't imagine such a world, I've always thought hell is where we're at right now! Just waiting for the Big Blast. Hope that gets FDA approval first.
*sigh*
This is getting old REALLY fast. I cannot believe that we have to deal with such stupidity...
IF it was decided that a ban on e-cigs in public places was because it would make it difficult to enforce the ban on analogs, I would actually be willing to buy that. Seeing vapor from afar would be confusing. However, please stop acting like we're stupid and don't know fact from fiction.
I actually asked my local pharmacist recently if they carried Propylene Glycol. He looked at me funny and said "well, all of the products over there (skincare) have propylene glycol in them...? Why would you need it by itself?" I smiled and said something like "So it won't kill me?" He stared at me and said "What would give you that idea?"
So don't spew facts that you pulled from a 3rd grade chemistry set that had the warning "don't eat this" and expect me to run and say "OK". Besides, Kristin is absolutely right (from another thread). All the kids that see me with my PV either giggle and point or roll their eyes and mutter "lame". It's the analogs that have the appeal because they are taboo for children, so the more you tell them they can't have something the more they want it. Duh. End rant.
This is getting old REALLY fast. I cannot believe that we have to deal with such stupidity...
IF it was decided that a ban on e-cigs in public places was because it would make it difficult to enforce the ban on analogs, I would actually be willing to buy that. Seeing vapor from afar would be confusing. However, please stop acting like we're stupid and don't know fact from fiction.
I actually asked my local pharmacist recently if they carried Propylene Glycol. He looked at me funny and said "well, all of the products over there (skincare) have propylene glycol in them...? Why would you need it by itself?" I smiled and said something like "So it won't kill me?" He stared at me and said "What would give you that idea?"
So don't spew facts that you pulled from a 3rd grade chemistry set that had the warning "don't eat this" and expect me to run and say "OK". Besides, Kristin is absolutely right (from another thread). All the kids that see me with my PV either giggle and point or roll their eyes and mutter "lame". It's the analogs that have the appeal because they are taboo for children, so the more you tell them they can't have something the more they want it. Duh.
End rant.
Please do kristin!
Kids start smoking between 14 and 19. They usually start by sharing one with a friend. Probably stolen from a parent who doesn't notice an occasional cigarette missing from the pack or even a pack missing from a carton. Your PV disappears you notice.
The next step is buying them. Most kids don't have the money it takes to even get started with e-cigs. They pool a few bucks and get a friend or sibling who smokes to buy 'em a pack. Or bum one from each other or buy 'em for a quarter apiece.
The most popular brands among young people are Marlboros, Newports, and Camels. Not "flavored" cigarettes.
Personally, I am all for discouraging anyone of any age from getting addicted to nicotine. Just my personal opinion. But anyone who thinks banning e-cigs will have any effect on the underage use of nicotine is seriously deluded and I think any serious research will bear this out.
We would go from house to house on "couch raids". After hitting 3-4 of our houses, pile in the car and go buy smokes (then again, we could get a pack in the early 90's for under $2 so it was MUCH easier then)
Isn't Drew in NJ?? I think one late night visit from him... and that legislation would probably mysteriously be forgotten about the very next day... just a thought. ROFL
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