nJoy in Walgreens?

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Satire

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We can't please everyone and the more Doctors intereted in their patients using something that mite work better than what is on the market and stores like walgreens and target selling them the better chance we have of them not being banned. Maybe here in the USA we will at least get a hearing. Some of these countrys are not even looking a the facts before they make judgements.

In a perfect world yes the doctors would be happy and support us (and many probably will), but there have already been doctors publicly denouncing it, possibly to avoid being sued for recommending it if it turns out to be harmful, and possibly because they can't write a prescription for it and thus they don't get a cut of the loot. Hopefully in the end our hobby (or a newer pharmaceutical grade version of it) will be at least somewhat accepted by the medical community.

Oh on a personal note they sell njoy's in the gas station right down the street from my house now (I took a pic on my phone I'll upload it after work), but I still order from steve because he has teh best customer service (and he is going to release his ingredient list finally :p).
 
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SpaceCadet

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Just a thought - I hope this sudden apparent mainstreaming of e-cigs, and especially with Walgreens' lower price tag, totally kills off smokingeverywhere! Every time I read something about them I hate them more and more. Next USA trip, if I see one of their stupid carts, I will pretend to look interested, then produce my Evo from my pocket and say "screw you!" - or something to that effect.
 

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Thanks so much for the article TropicalBob Here in Chicago, there's a Walgreens practically on every corner, could be a REAL boon to vaping!

As regards the comments section, just remember that most of the boneheads there are probably from people like some of the pedestrians in the city I recall from my days of smoking analogs:

I walk up to a street corner in the Loop smoking a cigarette. Someone throws me a mean look, and steps back, doing that fake little cough. A few seconds later, a CTA bus lumbers by, spewing out that black exhaust, and the only one coughing/stepping back is ME.

If these idiots were so concerned about what's polluting THEIR AIR, they'd be going after the industries that spew toxins into our air every second, like diesel exhaust, and these 189 hazardous air pollutants.

As far as "addiction" is concerned, pretty much everyone I know is addicted to something, whether it's food, alcohol, caffeine, excercise, television, religion, etc. it's how we all get through the day.

So leave me and my vaping devices the hell alone!
 

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Thanks so much for the article TropicalBob Here in Chicago, there's a Walgreens practically on every corner, could be a REAL boon to vaping!

As regards the comments section, just remember that most of the boneheads there are probably from people like some of the pedestrians in the city I recall from my days of smoking analogs:

I walk up to a street corner in the Loop smoking a cigarette. Someone throws me a mean look, and steps back, doing that fake little cough. A few seconds later, a CTA bus lumbers by, spewing out that black exhaust, and the only one coughing/stepping back is ME.


As far as "addiction" is concerned, pretty much everyone I know is addicted to something, whether it's food, alcohol, caffeine, excercise, television, religion, etc. it's how we all get through the day.

So leave me and my vaping devices the hell alone!

Plenty of idiots with their fake coughs....one of many attempts to quit analogs I would carry a unlit cig and pop in my mouth as I walked out of Walmart one day, popped the cig in my mouth unlit of course and had to listen to the fake cough. Wonder if its the same idiot who commented on the article at the site, complaining the vapor still smelled like smoke and left a smokey odor.
 

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I actually read this article before TB posted it, (And all 9 pages of comments) and it made me so mad I couldn't stand it because of their stupidity.

I think we all should bombard the comments section, not to say anything bad about "non-smokers" but only to praise e-cigs and share our personal experiences. I wanted to do it earlier, but there is strength in numbers.
 

Satire

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I have never had anyone fake cough on me, and I vape in public all day every day with no one even noticing (school, work, library, etc). However it seems some vapors do have smells, every time a vap at work (they don't know what an e-cig is and never notice me blowing out "smoke" because it disappears so fast) and yesterday at the doc's, no one sees or knows I am vapping (thus, it is not placebo), and every one of them mention they smell something being cooked (the 2 girls i work with always mention it to eachother and the 3 receptionists at the docs started talking to eachother). I have heard "it smells like pizza," "I smell someone baking cookies" and my personal favorite "ooh someone must have banana nut bread I love that smell" (last one was in the doc's). This is always when I vap for a while in a closed room, blowing vapors away from any other people (tbob mentioned this when vapping in the car with his kids in the back seat if I remember right) yet I have blown it straight into people's faces and they all said they couldn't smell anything at all. Interesting.
 

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Good find TB. Those comments by people after the story were pretty obnoxious though. It kills me how so many non smokers could comment on something they know nothing about. I also find it interesting how so many of those people with negative comments don't seem to know any people who have ever smoked.

You don't need to know anything to be an opinionated fundamentalist about anything. You alway have the right to talk out of another part of your anatomy regardless of the fact that you have neither knowledge of the subject nor an IQ larger than your shoe size!
 

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First Target, now Wallgreens... do you think Walmart is next??? How are they getting into all these big companies? I guess I haven't done my homework (never looked twice after I saw their cart prices on the website), but what's so special about Njoy? Why not Janty or the many other companies out there? Do they manufacture them and make liquid here in the US or are they buying from China like most everyone else? Don't get me wrong, I think it's a GREAT sign. It's also very smart marketing on their part.

Don't get me started on those comments...
 

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I imagine the reason Njoy is getting to these companies is simply that the product is so new that no one knows any better. I'm just glad that Smoking Everywhere didn't get to them first. Come to think of it, I don't live too far from the Wal-mart HQ, maybe I should buy some 901s and head in there and try to sell them. :D

As for the smell, I have found that people smell the vapor more if I don't inhale. People can usually smell my primer puffs, but not the vapor I exhale. I was worried about one of my co-workers who is usually one of those fake coughers, but he was really impressed with my e-cig and thought it was pretty cool. Just one more person at work to test it with.(This guy wants us to get more plants in the building to increase the oxygen levels) :rolleyes:

Anyways, back to the original topic of the thread...What was it again?

Oh yeah, Walgreens. I think it's a good idea. The more exposure the better. The more people who use the product, the more money headed into the industry, the more testing that can be done, the better the chance of FDA approval, etc.
 

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Did you read the comments after the article some people are sooooo dense!

I hadn't read the comments when I posted the link to the story. I have now read all 8 pages (so far) of public comments. Whether we like it or not, this is a cross-section of American opinion. And it is ugly.

I know it has been posted on the forum before but...
Here is a link to an Oregonian editorial on E-Cigs from a few weeks ago. I hope the comment section restores your “faith” a little.
Snuff that e-cigarette! - OregonLive.com

I am thankful I am living in a place of relative acceptance. (I hope.) -Devon
 

TropicalBob

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All this might be moot. This is the text from a first poster in the "avoid FDA approval" thread (we can't and it's silly to think we can). This amounts to a major earthquake in the E-Cig World.

FDA Holding order of 500 units, what to do?

Two weeks ago an order of mine was held at customs, when i stated to ask questions i found out the FDA was holding it and then received this e-mail. At this point no one has contacted me and i'm not ure what to do. I know there must be some way everyone else , smokingeverywhere.com and minicig.com is getting around these laws. If you hae any idea's please tell me. Thanks!

Please be aware that electronic cigarettes that we have reviewed are drug-device combinations under section 503(g)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) (21 U.S.C. 353(g)(1)) with their "drug" uses, as defined by section 201(g) of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 321(g)), as the primary mode of action. In this regard, these products contain no tobacco leaf or stem material, but are designed to look like conventional cigarettes. They are intended to be manipulated and used (inhaled) in ways similar to how a smoker manipulates and uses conventional cigarettes. And, like conventional cigarettes, they are intended primarily for the delivery of volatilized chemical substances to affect the body's structures and functions and/or to mitigate or treat the symptoms of nicotine addiction through a chemical or metabolic action on the body. The "electronic cigarettes" that we have reviewed are designed with a re-chargeable battery-operated heating element that volatilizes the chemical constituents contained within replaceable cartridges. These cartridges may or may not include nicotine. Since we are not aware of any data establishing that such products are generally recognized among scientific experts as safe and effective for these "drug" uses, they are "new drugs," as defined by section 201(p) of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 321(p)) requiring approval of an application filed in accordance with section 505 of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 355) to be legally marketed in the United States. None of these so-called "electronic cigarettes" is covered by an approved NDA. Thus, the marketing of them in the United States would be subject to enforcement action, which is why your products have been detained.

Furthermore, the "electronic cigarettes" that we have reviewed are not subject to the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act (FCLAA), Pub. L. No. 89-92, (15 U.S.C. §§ 1331 et seq), nor are they subject to the Comprehensive Smokeless Tobacco Health Education Act (CSTHEA), Pub. L. No. 98-474 (1986), (15 U.S.C. §§ 4401 et seq). Thus, they do not fit within the regulatory scheme that Congress has established for tobacco products.

Thoughts on this earthshaking development should be put in the other thread, to consolidate expressions of sympathy, regret, outrage, disbelief and the gamut of emotions that response will bring.
 

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You know there are drugs such as weight loss pills that say "This product has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease"

Can't E-cig companies just do the same thing?

Don't quote me on this but I think you have one of two things going on when you see that (or both). That is, the product is a supplement or herb and/or it's a product whose ingredients have been deemed safe but the FDA isn't backing the claim that it will help you lose weight or whatever the product says. In other words, it's safe to ingest but may or may not get you any results.

I know herbal products are not supposed to say they can accomplish something, like help you sleep or lose weight. That's their workaround with the FDA; however, there has been a long "threat" that the FDA wants to be able to regulate all of those products. It's a constant battle. Public outrage has helped keep the FDA off their backs. I don't think we'd have the same pull with the e-cig.
 

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Don't quote me on this but I think you have one of two things going on when you see that (or both). That is, the product is a supplement or herb and/or it's a product whose ingredients have been deemed safe but the FDA isn't backing the claim that it will help you lose weight or whatever the product says. In other words, it's safe to ingest but may or may not get you any results.

I know herbal products are not supposed to say they can accomplish something, like help you sleep or lose weight. That's their workaround with the FDA; however, there has been a long "threat" that the FDA wants to be able to regulate all of those products. It's a constant battle. Public outrage has helped keep the FDA off their backs. I don't think we'd have the same pull with the e-cig.

Also, have you heard that items manufactured in the USA don't need FDA approval like those manufactured outside the US? Was that BS I heard or has anyone else heard that too?
 

Sun Vaporer

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Also, have you heard that items manufactured in the USA don't need FDA approval like those manufactured outside the US? Was that BS I heard or has anyone else heard that too?

Unfortunately for us, anything within the dominion of the FDA’s control is under this agencies control no matter if it is made here in the USA or it is imported:(
 
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