Some people just can not accept the fact that smoking is just a part of life. Be around FOREVER. People that don't like smoking just don't want to see smake anything. Even if it is just Vapor.
nJoy in Walgreens?
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Did anyone happen to see the Dr. Phil show on Wed.? I'm not even sure what the topic of the show was... but one story was a teacher with a teenage son that smokes "Salvia" that is supposedly 'legal' in 48 states... and is similar to ...!?!?!? The teenage son has 'flunked' the 9th grade for 3 years because he is 'hooked' on Salvia... experiences hallucinations etc. AND to top it off the MOTHER uses it... and goes to the tobacco store to buy it both for herself AND her son! WTH?
How can the FDA be wasting time trying to stop what we are doing while something like this is going on... legally?? I've never even heard of smoking Salvia... sometimes I think I live in a closet! 8-o
How can the FDA be wasting time trying to stop what we are doing while something like this is going on... legally?? I've never even heard of smoking Salvia... sometimes I think I live in a closet! 8-o
Don't be taken in too much by the current yellow journalism against salvia. Yes, it's a hallucinogen, but it's hardly on the same scale as .... It's legal because no one has gotten around to writing laws for it yet, but it's coming. The mother who blames it for her son flunking 9th grade 3 times needs a reality check.
well not exactly policy
,but they have considered marketing and selling ecigs illegal unless they have a specific authorisation which i believe nobody has.
well not exactly policy
Well. That isn't entirely correct. What they have stated in a round about way is that they are doing this on a case by case basis and those who fall into their jurisdiction will be treated as a "new drug". What they are doing is swiping the table of everyone and seeing who has the balls/cash/lawyer to stand back up and say "Um... I don't make any claims and show me where in the law you have jurisdiction over nicotine!"
So back to the original subject:
Has anyone actually seen an e-cig at Walgreens yet?
Has anyone actually seen an e-cig at Walgreens yet?
I'm gonna go by the walgreens here later and check. Think it'd be by the Nicorrette and stuff?
If it tastes like tobacco and has tobacco oils in it, some people will still be able to smell it. Gasses have odor even when invisible. Some people have more sensitive noses, and it's entirely plausible that someone "can smell it" if they are in close enough proximity. It can also "linger" and "get into things", just like any gas (if you doubt that, come smell my living room after my dog farts!)
Some people are sensitive to all kinds of chemicals, and it's also completely plausible that "someone" might have an issue (in a real reaction kind of way) with the left over vapor from an e-cig.
That said, since there are no toxins or poisons, those people can ".... and deal" in a matter of law kind of way, we don't pass laws to protect the 1 in 100,000 crowed.
Am I the only one concerned that the FDA is turning away "cheaper and better alternatives" at customs, and it seems NJoy is the only brand for sale in America at the moment?
Seems the FDA really IS trying to help domestic companies by using faux positions to block otherwise legally permissible products into the country.
annoying.
Seems the FDA really IS trying to help domestic companies by using faux positions to block otherwise legally permissible products into the country.
annoying.
"Since we are not aware of any data establishing that such products are generally recognized among scientific experts as safe and effective for these "drug" uses, they are "new drugs," as defined by section 201(p) of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 321(p)) requiring approval of an application filed in accordance with section 505 of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 355) to be legally marketed in the United States. "
that is a lie, the research is out there, and this is not a "new drug". This is a LIE.. and, if the FDA isn't pulling NJoy, then this is, in fact, a scam being perpetrated on the Public by the Government to help a specific company reap profits.
Sure would be nice if Ruyan would file a lawsuit, and it would be nice if all the over seas suppliers were using UNMARKED BOXES with GENERIC RETURN ADDRESSES so we could continue to get these products brought in.
Also, how does the FDA have jurisdiction over products that are NOT regulated from being received for PERSONAL USE? .. seems they are overstepping their bounds, there. I can see if they want to stop supplies going to suppliers because you have to "market your product" to sell it, but individuals are NOT marketing or selling or distributing.. they are using, and use/ownership/possession is not illegal.
very annoying.
that is a lie, the research is out there, and this is not a "new drug". This is a LIE.. and, if the FDA isn't pulling NJoy, then this is, in fact, a scam being perpetrated on the Public by the Government to help a specific company reap profits.
Sure would be nice if Ruyan would file a lawsuit, and it would be nice if all the over seas suppliers were using UNMARKED BOXES with GENERIC RETURN ADDRESSES so we could continue to get these products brought in.
Also, how does the FDA have jurisdiction over products that are NOT regulated from being received for PERSONAL USE? .. seems they are overstepping their bounds, there. I can see if they want to stop supplies going to suppliers because you have to "market your product" to sell it, but individuals are NOT marketing or selling or distributing.. they are using, and use/ownership/possession is not illegal.
very annoying.
"Our beloved e-cigs are, at their core, unregulated and untested drug delivery devices. No one would approve those. They could be quickly and easily banned, without any need for new law."
You know that simply is not true. And you know that GRAS comes in to play given the chemicals involved (with PG/Nic as the only mains, sub chems would need to be tested I'd guess). The FDA is lying because they don't want to use studies from other countries, because they have an agenda (or so it seems since NJoy is out there selling up a storm).
You know that simply is not true. And you know that GRAS comes in to play given the chemicals involved (with PG/Nic as the only mains, sub chems would need to be tested I'd guess). The FDA is lying because they don't want to use studies from other countries, because they have an agenda (or so it seems since NJoy is out there selling up a storm).
"And the clinical trial? That's only Ruyan. No other manufacturer can benefit from those trial results. You see any other manufacturers funding clinical trials? Nope."
GRAS.. Generally Regarded As Safe. If one batch/mix is proved safe, then all those batches are proved safe. Ruyan's study _should_ be allowed to be considered a base line study that proves safety, as long as the FDA says that the studies were sound.
GRAS.. Generally Regarded As Safe. If one batch/mix is proved safe, then all those batches are proved safe. Ruyan's study _should_ be allowed to be considered a base line study that proves safety, as long as the FDA says that the studies were sound.
Sure you have, you live here. If you don't like having the government make rules over you, move. If you want to function in the Democracy and have your voice heard, vote or run for office.
The other thing that helps support the notion that you implicitly give your approval is that you use the Infrastructure that gets you to work, brings your food to you, keeps the police moving around your neighborhood protecting you.... the list goes on and one.
No one is making you stay a citizen of the country you live in, not if you're posting on the internet (by the way, something government helped fund back when it was starting, and you're using that now, too).
Gee, this sounds like another company here in the US that did this, and got away with it for YEARS!
Can they be bought at walgreens? Seems mine is hung up at the border. Never tried one before so anxious to get it in.
only in certain states.... Where are you at?
I know that NJoy's are sold at Pilot gas stations. Stay away from the Mall kiosk sellers (usually Smoking Everywhere), they charge ...... prices and lie like a politician.
I know that NJoy's are sold at Pilot gas stations. Stay away from the Mall kiosk sellers (usually Smoking Everywhere), they charge ...... prices and lie like a politician.
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