nJoy in Walgreens?

[LaceyUnderall]

Unfortunately for us, anything within the dominion of the FDA’s control is under this agencies control no matter if it is made here in the USA or it is imported

Well that's good to know. I heard that and I guess I could go and look it up myself... but going through the FDA site is like trying to give a... nevermind... it's funny but rude.

 

[Chris From Cali]

Well that's good to know. I heard that and I guess I could go and look it up myself... but going through the FDA site is like trying to give a... nevermind... it's funny but rude.

We can take it


But you have a good point. But then again why hasn't the FDA steppend in?

 

[2-cardis]

Some of y'all have bought from either target or walgreens, anyone in the Houston area know if they carry them yet?

 

[Jammi98]

I'll probably be headed that way tomorrow 2-cardis; will stop in and have a look.

 

[BiscuitSlayer]

Some of y'all have bought from either target or walgreens, anyone in the Houston area know if they carry them yet?

I don't know about Walgreens stores, but with Target you can only order them online only. If you go to the Target site and search for njoy, you will find them.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Some of y'all have bought from either target or walgreens, anyone in the Houston area know if they carry them yet?

Target sells them only online and Walgreen's just started. Tropical Bob reports Walgreens just the other day and I have not checked them. But Target will ship TX and you can return in store.

 

[2-cardis]

Coolness, oops, am I showing my age I had to go back to analog's, my supplier ran out of almost all inventory So it will be comforting to know I could just run into a local store incase of emergencies!!

 

[shimanchu]

Do they manufacture them and make liquid here in the US or are they buying from China like most everyone else?



Hi, everyone! I'm new to this forum.

I purchased my first e-cig on ebay. (Njoy)
the seller was an authorized distributor, and he told me that
Njoy have plans to have all the manufacturing done in Texas soon.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

We can take it


But you have a good point. But then again why hasn't the FDA steppend in?

From what I can gather, the FDA is so in bed with big pharm (and so disorganized) that they just can't. We were having this discussion around here because well... we are a CDN/USA household so we see both sides of the border. Health Canada is our FDA and they are quick to move. They are also quick to say "Hey, what do we need to do here to pass or fail something?"

Why? Because Health Canada has health in mind due to their universal health care system. The FDA doesn't have health in mind because health isn't the concern of the pharms. Yes, the pharms want to help people with their ailments and they want to be the leaders in research, but keeping people healthy and safe isn't what they are here for.

Now please people, do not read this as we want universal health care in the states because there are reasons it does not work. BUT - when the government and their agencies have a direct hand in the wellfare of the people, their priorities do change and the standards across the board change.

I think that with the three tests done on mice and the upcoming results from the clinical study, the FDA and the WHO have an obligation to the people of the US and the world to start taking a serious hand in the safety of the e-cig. When the results come back that the clinical trial was successful, it is almost the responsibility of the FDA and the WHO and Health Canada and so on to prove all of the tests wrong.

 

[2fer]

Finally getting some rational push-back - see page 10 of the comments. Unfortunately this will not sway the "my mind is made up, don't try to confuse me with the facts" crowd in the least.

Many years ago I was enduring a long passionate diatribe against pot smoking while doing 60 on a narrow hilly two lane...and the driver/speaker was polishing off his fourth Bud Light in just over an hour. He was not persuaded one bit when I suggested that he was more a hazard to himself and others than some guy just sitting on his own front porch taking a few puffs. Sheesh...some people's kids...

[FONT="]"Most people enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."[/FONT]

 

[jennydotz]

Do you think there is any danger of e-cig products being subject to the kinds of taxes imposed on analogs?

 

[TropicalBob]

If allowed, yes.

But from recent indications, our present crop of devices might not be allowed to be imported or sold at all. Think Australia. Our beloved e-cigs are, at their core, unregulated and untested drug delivery devices. No one would approve those. They could be quickly and easily banned, without any need for new law.

Keep in mind, please, that the FDA does not have to PROVE anything. It is the manufacturers on whom the entire burden of proof falls. And the clinical trial? That's only Ruyan. No other manufacturer can benefit from those trial results. You see any other manufacturers funding clinical trials? Nope. They just want the quick buck before countries around the globe focus on this new addictive practice siphoning off some tobacco tax revenue.

What might be allowed, and would be taxed, are fully disposable -- and completely tamperproof -- e-cigs. Those can be regulated much better than liquids ranging from zero to 36mg of nicotine, coming from who-knows-where factories in China mostly.

If a best case scenario comes to pass, you might be able to walk into a drug store in the not too distant future and buy a pack of disposable e-cigs for about the price of a carton of tobacco cigarettes.

Less desirable? You need a doctor's prescription to buy them.

Least desirable? They are illegal in all forms because the liquid is both poisonous to children and pets and addictive to anyone vaporizing it, and the device's primary purpose is to deliver the addictive vapor to an addict.

 

[jennydotz]

I wonder about these things too, but any principle that applied to e-cigs would apply to analogs as well. They are totally unregulated, so how could you ban e-cigs without analogs going down with them? On the bright side, if they were Rx only, insurance would pay, no?

I do think that the cool colored products (the pinks 901s, the green mouthpieces I saw on some site) could attract the attention of those looking to accuse manufacturers of appealing to kids.

 

[Chris From Cali]

I wonder about these things too, but any principle that applied to e-cigs would apply to analogs as well. They are totally unregulated, so how could you ban e-cigs without analogs going down with them? On the bright side, if they were Rx only, insurance would pay, no?

I do think that the cool colored products (the pinks 901s, the green mouthpieces I saw on some site) could attract the attention of those looking to accuse manufacturers of appealing to kids.

I dount any insurance company would support or cover e-cig purly for the fact that nobody has quite! Well maybe some, but we all continue to vape instead of smoke, that would cost the insurance company quite a bit.

 

[TropicalBob]

Jenny, tobacco cigarettes and e-cigarettes are entirely, entirely different things. Tobacco has history on its side. It has an entire federal agency devoted to its regulation. The FDA -- so far -- does not have any say in approving or banning tobacco products. E-cigs are not tobacco products. They are chemical delivery systems. That's where the FDA comes in.

Just keep in mind that the fate of e-cigs and tobacco cigarettes are not tied together and are in no way related at all.

And, no, insurance will not cover an unapproved practice such as this. Just think about what we're doing? We can't prove this is safe! Insurance doesn't cover unknown, unproven practices masquerading as therapy for nicotine addiction.

 

[SpaceCadet]

Did you guys see that the UK 'equivalent' of Walgreens (Boots) is now selling e-cigs? See here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/6832-e-cig-boots.html

This is all the more surprising to me, as Boots does not sell, and to my knowledge has never sold, tobacco. Also I heard some pharmacies were selling e-cigs, but for Boots to sell them, wow. This is the UK pharmacy, on every high street, in every mall, retail park, major train station and airport, and heaven knows where else.

 

[jamie]

Just keep in mind that the fate of e-cigs and tobacco cigarettes are not tied together and are in no way related at all.

Agree... but when you talk about taxes the implication is, they are. I'm starting to think that the more we act like all negative outcomes are fait accompli, the likelier those outcomes.

 

[jennydotz]

Thanks for indulging my thoughts here! I'm new to thinking about this and it's fascinating

re. nic delivery system: How do gum and patches stay, then? My insurance even has a smoking cessation program that will cover those (for a limited time, I think). They are available otc.

A Question--Sorry to sound stupid, but are cigarettes regulated?

 

[TropicalBob]

Jenny, the gum and patches, etc., underwent clinical trials and testing funded by Big Pharma companies and then received FDA approval as Nicotine Replacement Therapy treatments for a medical condition called Nicotine Addiction. They are all recommended for short-term use to help a smoker quit cigarettes. It cost a fortune to develop them and get them approved, and some were prescription-only at first (the nasal spray still is). Big Pharma estimates it will sell $14.9-billion worth of NRT to quitting smokers over the next five years. It's a big market.

Cigarettes fall under the jurisdiction of an agency we used to call Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Big Tobacco gets its way there. A bill in Congress (likely to pass) will remove tobacco products from ATF and hand control over to the FDA. The FDA has said it will regulate all dangerous substances in cigarettes (might as well forget high nicotine, and ask how all those carcinogens can be magically made to disappear).

Big Tobacco is very, very nervous. It's moving into selling other tobacco products, like snus and snuff, to try to continue its users' addiction to nicotine. And, of course, it is facing losing many more massive damage lawsuits from spouses of dead smokers.

Many governments think they have a popular mandate to end public smoking of tobacco. Right or wrong, that's how they think now.

This is all part of a continuing battle over controlling the use of a legal product (tobacco).

Read around and you'll find out there's an even bigger battle getting underway for control of all nicotine and its delivery. Big Pharma wants that prize. The stakes are unimaginably high.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

A bill in Congress (likely to pass) will remove tobacco products from ATF and hand control over to the FDA.

It will be interesting to see what the commission on the Peanut Butter Fiasco finds for or against the FDA and their lack of control over the food supply. Perhaps they will find that the FDA has regulation control over too much as it is, without the proper "follow up" on their regulations.

Also... IMO the FDA scientists who are in an uproar because management staff is ignoring them is going to be another interesting factor in all of this.