not happy with e-cigs so far
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For Cartos I would recommend Boge LR cartos. I use to like smoketek but the recent ones I purchased tasted horrible. (horrible isnt even the word!) Im finding boge to be more consistant.
One very important thing to remember is always top off your cartos! I feel this is the most important thing you can do with a carto. It might sound like a pain, but carry a small 10ml bottle of liquid with you at all times. I like to think of it like carrying a lighter around. I top of my carto every 15 puffs or so. If it isnt crackling, it needs juice!
Another thing to remember is cartos are meant to be throw aways. I use a carto from 2-5 days and pitch it. The slightest hint of burnt anything and in the trash it goes. I like to do the nose test a lot. Hold the carto up to your nose and take a sniff. I can smell the burnt filler before I can taste it. As soon as the smell is there in the trash they go. They are less the 2 dollars and there is no reason you should be inhaling burnt filler.
Using a tank system with prepunched cartos will solve the need for constantly filling. I have tanks as well but dont always like to use them.
How some people use cartos for several weeks is crazy. All cartos will start to burn eventually. Some people tolerate this more. I cant stand it.
Now on to atomizers. Atomziers you put in 2-3 drops depending on the atty. Take 5 - 10 puffs and drip a few more drops. I dripped for a while but got sick of it. Some people love it though. Atties if taken care of will last weeks sometimes longer. I would recomend IKV Io6 atomziers. They are very good and have great flavor. The one thing about atties that everyone loves is you cant beat the clean flavor of a fresh atty and good liquid. Its night and day compared to a carto.
I advise not to drink and drip. This usually results in liquid all over the place! not to mention all over your PV.
As other people have said you might want to try Cleoromizers. These have no filler but have a wick that pulls juice to the coil. I use thicker vg liquid and find they are horrible in Cleormizers so I avoid these at all costs. There are quite a few people that really enjoy the clearomizer types. I find they tend to mute flavor a lot.
The biggest hurtle that I had was finding liquid and what cartos/atties to use. A lot of it is preference. I would suggest ordering a bunch of different things. Instead of buying by the box, order a few cartos, clearos, atties. Try them out and see what you like. It can be expensive at first, but trust me its cheaper than cigs. At least here they are 10dollars a pack.
Good luck!
Also - Juice, this is the most subjective thing on the forums. But.... For a very light all day vape I always reccomend Alien Visions 555. It doesnt taste like the other 555s out there and the flavor is not overpowering. For me this is the only liquid I can vape all day long.
One very important thing to remember is always top off your cartos! I feel this is the most important thing you can do with a carto. It might sound like a pain, but carry a small 10ml bottle of liquid with you at all times. I like to think of it like carrying a lighter around. I top of my carto every 15 puffs or so. If it isnt crackling, it needs juice!
Another thing to remember is cartos are meant to be throw aways. I use a carto from 2-5 days and pitch it. The slightest hint of burnt anything and in the trash it goes. I like to do the nose test a lot. Hold the carto up to your nose and take a sniff. I can smell the burnt filler before I can taste it. As soon as the smell is there in the trash they go. They are less the 2 dollars and there is no reason you should be inhaling burnt filler.
Using a tank system with prepunched cartos will solve the need for constantly filling. I have tanks as well but dont always like to use them.
How some people use cartos for several weeks is crazy. All cartos will start to burn eventually. Some people tolerate this more. I cant stand it.
Now on to atomizers. Atomziers you put in 2-3 drops depending on the atty. Take 5 - 10 puffs and drip a few more drops. I dripped for a while but got sick of it. Some people love it though. Atties if taken care of will last weeks sometimes longer. I would recomend IKV Io6 atomziers. They are very good and have great flavor. The one thing about atties that everyone loves is you cant beat the clean flavor of a fresh atty and good liquid. Its night and day compared to a carto.
I advise not to drink and drip. This usually results in liquid all over the place! not to mention all over your PV.
As other people have said you might want to try Cleoromizers. These have no filler but have a wick that pulls juice to the coil. I use thicker vg liquid and find they are horrible in Cleormizers so I avoid these at all costs. There are quite a few people that really enjoy the clearomizer types. I find they tend to mute flavor a lot.
The biggest hurtle that I had was finding liquid and what cartos/atties to use. A lot of it is preference. I would suggest ordering a bunch of different things. Instead of buying by the box, order a few cartos, clearos, atties. Try them out and see what you like. It can be expensive at first, but trust me its cheaper than cigs. At least here they are 10dollars a pack.
Good luck!
Also - Juice, this is the most subjective thing on the forums. But.... For a very light all day vape I always reccomend Alien Visions 555. It doesnt taste like the other 555s out there and the flavor is not overpowering. For me this is the only liquid I can vape all day long.
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I have found that the clearos are the least "hassle". The carts with the "stuffing" are a pain due to burn, etc...but the clear ones give me the cleanest vape, and I can see when i'm running out of juice, so I never have the problem of burning them. Again, I don't like the taste of tobacco e-juice, and my husband went from smoking "American Spirit Yellow" to V2 menthol, and has never touched another cigarette. Now, he too experiments with different flavors, and is having a great time with it. If the e-cigs are ones that you got at a local store (walmart, etc..) then it will be hard to match up "parts", and you may need to start over, but there are some awesome deals out there, if you look on this site and go to "deals and steals", you will find a bunch that are having specials, and can try out different ones at a discount.
Good luck and happy vaping!
Good luck and happy vaping!
JudeD: At first I tried it easy, so easy that almost no vapor came out of my mouth. Then I progressively increased the length, the speed at which I was taking draws. As far as i can remember, when there was no burnt smell, the hit was not too strong as to make my throat sore. Out of curiosity, I tried to vape pure PG, without nic (which is known to be irritant), I still coughed whenever the burnt taste was present. I searched rapidly, apparently there are several versions of the Stardusts (V1 & V2, plus CE2, CE3, CE4? I'm a bit confused)
A more general comment that might help others as well: I noticed that adding a few drops of menthol to the e-juice made it appear milder - the hit was somewhat less harsh - when the vapor was inhaled. In my experience that didn't modify the taste too much if you put less drops of menthol than that of the flavor concentrate in your juice, the vapor basically seemed cooler than it actually was.
A more general comment that might help others as well: I noticed that adding a few drops of menthol to the e-juice made it appear milder - the hit was somewhat less harsh - when the vapor was inhaled. In my experience that didn't modify the taste too much if you put less drops of menthol than that of the flavor concentrate in your juice, the vapor basically seemed cooler than it actually was.
I would like to add to Anoremgami's post.
PG can irritate some peoples throats. I would constantly get sore throats from it. This is why I switched to VG liquid. I wil put about 10 drops of PG into 10ml of VG to slightly thin it out. Its not enough to cause me issues.
This is not the case for most people though.
PG can irritate some peoples throats. I would constantly get sore throats from it. This is why I switched to VG liquid. I wil put about 10 drops of PG into 10ml of VG to slightly thin it out. Its not enough to cause me issues.
This is not the case for most people though.
I HATED menthol analogs but love menthol in my evening juice. I use it for that extra kick because I vape a lower mg in the evening because of sleeping problems encountered on the higher nic juice.
V2 is the new version that has a longer wick. V1 has a shorter wick and thus every so often you had to tilt the clearo to keep the wick wet.
V2 is the new version that has a longer wick. V1 has a shorter wick and thus every so often you had to tilt the clearo to keep the wick wet.
Ah I see. Well I think I'll definitely try the eGo Vision Stardust with a few clearos, I'll keep my juices to see how they taste in something new, and that hopefully, will not burn
Hello,
I am new too, I have asked lots of question here, and everyone is supper helpful. After many question I decided to get the .
SLB KGO Starter Kit
- Cartomizer Options: Smok Tech XL 1.7 Ohm. ( I dint use these).
- Drip Tip Color: Black
- Color: Black
And the E Turbo Atomizer ( I love love love this thing)Juice seems to last longer with this.
All from Dark City Vapor.
I could not be happier. The battery last me two days and no burnt test at all.
Hope this helps.
Dotty
I am new too, I have asked lots of question here, and everyone is supper helpful. After many question I decided to get the .
SLB KGO Starter Kit
- Cartomizer Options: Smok Tech XL 1.7 Ohm. ( I dint use these).
- Drip Tip Color: Black
- Color: Black
And the E Turbo Atomizer ( I love love love this thing)Juice seems to last longer with this.
All from Dark City Vapor.
I could not be happier.
The battery last me two days and no burnt test at all.Hope this helps.
Dotty
Hi, Anoregami, I love your screen name, does it have a special meaning?
I'm pretty new to vaping myself, and started out with a smaller 808 ecig and cartomizers (the ones with stuffing in them). They look nice, and they are handy because they are small, but the batteries didn't last long, I found them annoying and messy to clean and refill, and that burnt taste near the end of them was not satisfying either. When one of the batteries died after only a month of use, I decided it was time to look for something better.
After some research, I replaced that kit with an Innokin Lea Kross, because of it's longer battery life (650 mah) and it's versatility- it comes with adapters that allow you to use any type of threaded cartos or atomizers, a pass through usb charger that allows you to vape while its charging. It's very attractive and discreet looking- it looks like a rather large expensive pen, and feels very natural in your hand. I ordered a few atomizers to go with it, because that kit only comes with extra large cartos, and I wanted to try something new.
The mouthpiece/tank cartridges that fit the Lea atties are very easy to clean and refill, there's no polyfill stuffing, you don't need any tools to get the cartridge open, you don't need a syringe to fill them, and they don't leak at all unless you overfill them. Very little fuss, no mess at all. I don't use the mouthpiece/tank as a tank unless I'm going out, as I prefer to drip a few drops at a time into the atty itself- it tastes worlds and worlds better to me than cartomisers- I just use the mouthpiece/tank without the endcap on. It works nicely as a drip tip, so you don't need to buy them separately unless you want something prettier. I like to sample a lot of different flavors, so dripping is my thing, but the mouthpiece/tanks on the Lea work very well; I've never had one leak, and they're so much quicker and more convenient to fill than cartos.
Since you already know you dislike cartomizers, I would suggest that you try the Lea 800- it comes with atomizers instead of cartos. It's been so much easier and more satisfying for me, and while it's certainly not the most powerful battery or the top of the line, for ease of use, flavor and versatility, I think it's really ideal for newer users- it has been for me.
Having a sore throat is not uncommon when you start vaping, but it should go away if you make sure you're drinking plenty of water, and if you find you are just plain vaping too much, you might try a higher nicotine level. I have also heard that decreasing the percentage of PG can help some people with that.
Whatever system you choose, keep your atties wet while you are vaping and super clean to avoid the nasty burnt taste. How often you need to clean them will depend on the juices you use, I generally clean mine whenever I'm making a drastic flavor change, or once every 4 or 5 days if I'm on a dedicated flavor atty (best way, imo). There are lots of simple cleaning methods, but I prefer the baking soda/vinegar method:
Put a small amount of baking soda into the atty, add vinegar, quickly cover the opening and shake, allowing the foam to spurt out the hole in the battery connection end. Repeat several times, continue adding vinegar til there is no foaming action left. Rinse very well in very hot water, blow out excess water, dry in a low temp (around 170 F for me) oven for a half hour, followed by a dry burn on your battery, another hot water rinse, blow out, dry out in low temp oven again for another half hour. Make sure you prime your wick with the flavor of your choice before you start vaping on it again. This method should remove any lingering burnt flavors, it's worked very well for me, but if you still detect a bad taste, some people have recommended soaking in vodka or even boiling your atties. I haven't need to try either of those so far, but I do try to keep certain atties for certain flavors- cinnamon flavors tend to linger in an atty, and my dill pickle atty, needless to say, only ever gets refilled with dill pickle.
Whatever you choose to try, good luck, and don't give up! It's a pretty high learning curve, but it's worth it- it will save your life. Look at it as an adventure, and make sure you keep it fun for yourself. Try lots of interesting flavors and experiment til you find your best system for success.
Hello ohai, no my name doesn't have any specific meaning, however I'm glad you like it
Having a decent battery is also an important point to me, as I don't want to charge it all the time. The model you describe here seems great, I'll not discard it before I could gather more information about all the e-cig models that I've been suggested to try on this forum. There are so many models out there nowadays that it's not easy to pick up the right model on the first time.
Next time I have to clean my attys, I'll follow the method you mention here.
Like you say, the best is probably to try various combinations and find out what works best for oneself.
Thank you
The Stardusts are also known as the "eGo Vision Clearomizer". There are two versions. The older version, V1 and the newer V2. The older version was also called a CE4. The newer version is CE4+. The CE2 is a type of clearomizer, usually smaller, with the distinguishing characteristic being the coil near the top, close to the lips of the user. The CE3 is a type of clearomizer with the coil at the bottom, closer to the battery. CE2s and CE3s are types of clearomizers rather than specific models.
The model of clearomizer you should be using is the CE4+ or the eGo Vision Clearomizer V2. Or the V2 Stardust.
After reading this whole thread, it is obvious that the source of all your problems has been the juice delivery system. "Vapoor eyez er" is exactly right. You will have much more satisfactory results if you remove the "tank system" you have been using and convert to clearomizers of the CE4+ type (eGo Vision Stardust Clearomizer) with a resistance between 1.6 and 2.4 ohms.
Do not be confused with all the recommendations to change batteries. Your existing eGo battery is perfectly capable. The tank system is the root of the problem and most people experience the same problems and abandon them in favor of clearomizers. Cartomizers can give you satisfactory results as well, but you need to be sure that you know how to properly fill them and, most importantly, how to keep them filled.
With a proper clearomizer, there is no need to rotate between devices or employ any complex strategy. Do not over-complicate the issue. Unless you are interested in using an atomizer regularly by "dripping", use them only to taste new juice. You don't need any expensive or fancy atomizers for that. Just use the ones you have, sans cartridges. They can, and should, be cleaned.
Cleaning atomizers need not be a long or laborious ritual. Rinse them in hot water. Dry burn them. Rinse them again. Let them air dry or dry them in a warm oven. If the coil is very encrusted, soak them in strong vodka for several hours first. If they are extremely encrusted, repeat the rinse-dry burn-rinse cycle a second time. That's all you need to do. If you do it that way, they are worth cleaning. If you need to go through a 15 step, three hour process, then it isn't worth cleaning them.
"Vapoor eyez er" has the correct diagnosis and solution to your problem. You'd be wise to follow her advice. It is not necessary to do anything more expensive or complicated.
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i suggest building yourself a puck e-cig, not only is it inexpensive, it works excellent, is easy to build, and vapes at 4.8volts
Trial and error, I have yet to find the right e-cig before I proceed to e-juices (only tried a few so far) as it's mostly the burnt taste that was overwhelming.
As you suggested, I'll certainly order several things like cartos, clearos, etc .. and assess each one for at least one week so that I get used to it and see whether it suits me or not. And I agree that you shouldn't try to save money by keeping your attys forever, especially as it will deteriorate progressively so you'll not necessarily notice it immediately, but as soon as you replace it by a new one, by the change of taste you'll smell, you can figure out just how damaged it simply was.
I don't think I'll enjoy dripping as I don't find this method to be very convenient for me and so far I have had too much hassle with e-cigs
It indeed comes in handy to just have a quick visual check of how much liquid is remaining to prevent any 'dry vaping', I did like my transparent tanks for this very reason. Also if there is no longer a burnt taste with clearos that would be great.
I always bought my e-cigs online, and i think I'll continue to do so, there are plenty of different models and prices are more competitive; in France excepted in Tobacconist's, you can hardly get e-cigs in a physical store, and choice is very limited anyway.
As ohai already pointed it out, you're right, PG is also irritating as stated in its MSDS http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927239, but I think less potent than nicotine itself regarding this aspect (correct me if I'm wrong). I also have some VG, but I haven't tested it yet.
Ah if the V2 has a longer wick (I guess you can hold your e-cig in almost any position then), thus if I have to choose one among the two, that's the one I'd pick up.
I added a few drops sparingly in my already favored mixture, and I also liked the 'cooling effect'.
Hello,
I am new too, I have asked lots of question here, and everyone is supper helpful. After many question I decided to get the …….
SLB KGO Starter Kit
- Cartomizer Options: Smok Tech XL 1.7 Ohm. ( I dint use these).
- Drip Tip Color: Black
- Color: Black
And the … E Turbo Atomizer ( I love love love this thing)Juice seems to last longer with this.
All from Dark City Vapor.
I could not be happier.
Hope this helps.
Dotty
To be honest I didn't expect to get so many great answers so quickly
I'll check out this model in more details, thank you for your input
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Anoregami, as Sailorman & Vapoor eyez er have said, you don't need to check out any other model e-cigs at all. Your eGo battery is more than fine & you can use it with either cartomisers (Boge 510's) for example or the Vision Stardusts that I, & others have linked to. With either of those options, you will have no need for an atomiser
Also as Sailorman & Vapoor eyez er have said, there are constant reports, not only here but other forums of problems with the atomiser tank systems that you are currently using.
Also as Sailorman & Vapoor eyez er have said, there are constant reports, not only here but other forums of problems with the atomiser tank systems that you are currently using.
PG is an irritant when applied to the skin. It is not an irritant when atomized or vaporized except to a small number of people who have some degree of intolerance or allergy to it. PG is used in thousands of food products. It is used as the carrier in asthma inhalers and other medical inhalers. It is used in hospital ventilation systems for it's ability to kill airborne viruses.
PG does not mute or lessen flavorings. This is why it's used as a flavor carrier. VG mutes flavors and the "throat hit" supplied by nicotine, which IS an irritant when vaporized. This leads to the common misconception that PG is an irritant. If a juice contains more PG, it necessarily contains less VG. Therefore the throat hit or irritant qualities of nicotine, or any of the flavorings or alcohol in the juice, are not muted or smoothed. The PG isn't providing the throat hit or irritation; the VG is simply not muting it. If you use 100% PG with 0 nicotine or flavoring, you should get no irritation or throat hit. If you do, it indicates an intolerance to PG.
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I'll check out this model in more details, thank you for your input
The kGo is exactly like your eGo. The only difference is that the kGo runs on 3.7V and the eGo is regulated at 3.4V.
The device you use has absolutely no effect on getting a burned taste. That is 100% the result of the tank systems you have been using.
Thank you for your explanation, it's crystal clear now that I grasped the meaning of the different names. If I can screw my current batteries to my new e-cig, then yes I will keep them, but maybe I'll get some spare batteries in case they become unusable (I was surprised at first to see that most batteries were only covered by a warranty of 28 days, but given how fragile they are, that finally makes sense ...
)Ok I'll give up the tank systems, when I first see them I thought it was a bright idea: relatively high capacity, no stuffing, etc ... but it turned out to be not that good under real conditions.
Agree 100%. Reminds me of a convert that I bought a Kgo for. He wanted to upgrade and went out on his own and bought a Riva not knowing they were identical models. Fortunately I found a buyer for the Riva and a LT was purchased for the original owner of the Riva.
I would hold off on buying any extra eGo batts. Extra batts would be coming close to buying a Kgo 3.7 1100 mah starter kit. Batts should be good for about 300 charges so even if you were charging both batts every day that works out to 10 months.
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