Well, that is a start. Unfortunately we don't really have the time to build the numbers if what everyone else is saying is true. Yeah, we can keep fighting but how will we grow our numbers if our PV's are already made illegal?
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There is the delay of lawsuits.
Sue the government to prevent them from passing a ban on ecigs because the ban would endanger users when we go back to analogs.
Washington is filled with lawyers. Speak their language.
For the first time in my life, I wish I knew a lawyer....
Oh, and whomever might be tracking these things, sign me up for the black-market e-cigs too!
~~Cheryl
It's really a shame. Those who are passing judgement have their own vices. I'm sure many of the politicians have whiskey habits, anger issues, and probably .........e excessively. 
Creeps!
Let me have my vapor!
Anyway, if anybody with half a heart (or brain) would look at this forum and realize how many people are proud to be living without harmful, government regulated cigarettes... without the threat of terminal cancer... without the guilt of feeling like a fatalist by inhaling smoldering death 30 times a day...
Well. I like smoking. I don't want to quit. Now I've got an alternative.
Hey, at least smoking never turned anybody into an as*hole.
Politics, on the other hand...
haha. I laugh, but I'm really annoyed.
Creeps!Let me have my vapor!
Anyway, if anybody with half a heart (or brain) would look at this forum and realize how many people are proud to be living without harmful, government regulated cigarettes... without the threat of terminal cancer... without the guilt of feeling like a fatalist by inhaling smoldering death 30 times a day...
Well. I like smoking. I don't want to quit. Now I've got an alternative.
Hey, at least smoking never turned anybody into an as*hole.
Politics, on the other hand...
haha. I laugh, but I'm really annoyed.
I'm in the process of putting up an online sign-up sheet for any who might wish to be notified of any underground manufacture operation in the event of an all-out ban. But I'd like to come up with some sort of security question or verification system so that, if some clever and skilled soul should decide to take up this noble endeavor, he or she would not fall straight into the trap of some government agent who might sign up posing as "one of us." Any ideas, anyone?
~~Cheryl
~~Cheryl
I completely agree. I keep thinking there have to be grounds worth pursuing. To knowingly put us in a life threatening position when there's an option is at the very least morally and ethically wrong. I see basic civil liberties as an issue, as well. Heroine addicts are given needles and methadone. When NRT was by prescription you could getting never-ending refills, and now is available OTC. Where are our rights?
I forgot. Smokers have no rights.
I won't put up the form until I can come up with some sort of screening question. I would NOT want to put any fearless black-market e-cig suppliers in jeopardy! Put on your thinking caps, people -- I can certainly hide the list of names and contact info, but how do we keep the "wrong" people from getting on it?
~~Cheryl
~~Cheryl
I'm sorry to say that IMO, there is no way to stop anyone from hacking into a website and having access to everything it contains, along with everything on your computer too. Anything that's on the internet can become public knowledge within nanoseconds. The feds have been embarrassed at the number of times their computers have been attacked. Think about how many times you've heard on the news that a store's computer was hacked and everybody's debit and/or credit card numbers are out there for the taking!
LuckyCharm, your even mentioning this here has most likely raised a few eyebrows in Washington. They're monitoring this forum. That's a guarantee. Forget any lists and such that might make anything black market happen. They already know about it the second you posted it here. That's their job.
Here what's going to happen, friends. Worst case scenario:
The ban goes into effect and all shipments are seized for good. It will be illegal to sell anything ecig or related. Imports and exports are gone.
People will do experimentations in their garages making their own. Some will likely become very sick or die from accidents. Like, say, using a material for an atomizer that the victim thought was safe, but contained lead.
People will go back to tobacco cigarettes. They will tell their tales of how they were so happy that they quit, and disgusted that they had to return to the lethal habit. The public will show no sympathy.
If a black market becomes, it will be word of mouth, face-to-face. Perhaps phone texting. But it won't be online as it is monitored.
The best thing we can do is go in public with our ecigs and pass out cards detailing the devices, and the threat they're facing, and why (Taxes). It also couldn't hurt to mention that the government isn't receiving the expected tax revenues from the raising of tobacco taxes (They never do), and will be going after other things that the people you talk to on the street might enjoy...
Beer
Soft Drinks
Fast Foods, to name a few.
They have to be stopped quickly. Time is running out.
Here what's going to happen, friends. Worst case scenario:
The ban goes into effect and all shipments are seized for good. It will be illegal to sell anything ecig or related. Imports and exports are gone.
People will do experimentations in their garages making their own. Some will likely become very sick or die from accidents. Like, say, using a material for an atomizer that the victim thought was safe, but contained lead.
People will go back to tobacco cigarettes. They will tell their tales of how they were so happy that they quit, and disgusted that they had to return to the lethal habit. The public will show no sympathy.
If a black market becomes, it will be word of mouth, face-to-face. Perhaps phone texting. But it won't be online as it is monitored.
The best thing we can do is go in public with our ecigs and pass out cards detailing the devices, and the threat they're facing, and why (Taxes). It also couldn't hurt to mention that the government isn't receiving the expected tax revenues from the raising of tobacco taxes (They never do), and will be going after other things that the people you talk to on the street might enjoy...
Beer
Soft Drinks
Fast Foods, to name a few.
They have to be stopped quickly. Time is running out.
Well, that's really pessimistic, Randall, but might be a realistic assessment of the situation. I would probably be one of those who would try to make my own and **** it up somehow. I always manage to do that with everything else, from growing veggies to running a political campaign. But, if I'm going to die anyway...
Aww, hell. Guess I just better get what I can now, until I can't, and then decide what to do.
~~Cheryl
Aww, hell. Guess I just better get what I can now, until I can't, and then decide what to do.
~~Cheryl
I'd hate to see you, or anyone on this forum, get in trouble with an all around easy for any situation but difficult to define, "Conspiracy," charge by the feds.
These things need to storm into the public eye with the New Zealand study to back up it's safety, and the testimonials of people who have successfully quit smoking with it, all at once. One local nightly news broadcast every two days in different states for three minutes isn't going to cut it.
Ecig manufacturers and their customers need to be interviewed nationwide. Risks need to be taken.
Bold statements with impact need to be made:
"The government wants me to smoke tobacco instead of ecigarettes because they want their tax revenue."
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Maybe organize a media event? Hey, anybody else here from Tacoma want to gather on a street corner for 15 minutes and talk to the press about how we love to vape?
PM me if you do. I can't monitor all forums, but I know you all know some folks near here. Let's do it!
~~Cheryl
PM me if you do. I can't monitor all forums, but I know you all know some folks near here. Let's do it!
~~Cheryl
Well this Fascist governing system will do anything to keep us enslaved, and that means taking away the stuff they can't regulate...It really makes me ......, I am beginning to hate America....First it was Bush's Patriot Act, now we have Barack Obama's reign of terror. I hate politicians, and will always be a informed conspiracy theorist! lol
The (Us?) weed smokers have their 420 day of protest...why can't we?
Why can't we set a day for all e-cig users to meet in major cities around the US for a smoke out??? Notify the media, the radio stations, whatever newspapers are still around and make one big unified display of our commitment? Like it has been said on here before.....our biggest problem is that no one knows we are here. No one knows that for every jerk-off opposing the e-cig...there are 100 who support it. Telling one person at a time is a very slow and poor way of getting the word out. But one day of telling the US that we won't stand for this could reach millions!
Why can't we set a day for all e-cig users to meet in major cities around the US for a smoke out??? Notify the media, the radio stations, whatever newspapers are still around and make one big unified display of our commitment? Like it has been said on here before.....our biggest problem is that no one knows we are here. No one knows that for every jerk-off opposing the e-cig...there are 100 who support it. Telling one person at a time is a very slow and poor way of getting the word out. But one day of telling the US that we won't stand for this could reach millions!
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