Not looking good

[harmony gardens]

I think we've been doing a pretty good job of getting our views out there, IMHO. Obviously, we need to keep it up, but there are a lot of groups forming.

I certainly think we could do something effective next time they have a smoke out day. We could use that day to show how many of us are tobacco free.

 

[ramblingrose]

It doesn't look like we have until the next smoke-out.

Someone suggested an e-smoke demonstration and someone else replied that it would be foolhardy at this time. I'm not sure. It can work for or against us. As of now, there's nothing illegal about e-cigs. We don't know to what extent bans will go. Maybe it's better to do something to raise awareness while we can do it without breaking the law. Or maybe not.

If we want to make a public stand, there are things to consider:
-Input from people like Bill Godshall and Dr. Nitzkin on whether the whole thing is a good idea, and on the details .
-We'd have to be VERY careful about how we present ourselves; what we say, etc. We've all seen that the media and public latch onto what they want to see and hear. Preparation beforehand would be important.
-Timing in relation to the pending legislation.
-How and where to do it. Washington? Multiple locations?
-Awareness. We would need media coverage.
-Attendance. If we publicize an event and too few vapers show up, we could be seen as irrelevant.

I'm not sure what I think about the idea. We could end up raising awareness in a positive way, or we could ruin whatever chance there is for good resolution.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[frightline]

That Sucks!!!

 

[frightline]

I really don't get any of this!
First,they take away the Rights of smokers!
Then the smokers find an alternative that is not as deadly!
Then They want to ban that too!!
We should start an uprising and Ban things that these People like and are dependant on!!!
I could not have stopped analogs without my e -cig!!
PERIOD!! Sorry for the rant but this really really sucks!!!

 

[forcedfuel50]

If this bill should pass, let us hope it takes years to work its way through and has no teeth as did the UIGEA bill several years ago (uniform internet gambling enforcement act). Time shall tell....

 

[Kilroy2.0]

I really don't see the gov running an effective ban on this product. I mean at the rate the government is inserting its self in to the daily lives of U.S. citizens it will have it's hand full. It will be running our banks our car companies and our health care.

They might be able to ban the actual e-cig but they could not ban the individual parts. As long as you can by tobacco they can not get rid of nicotine. What are they going to do ban lithium batteries, plastic tips?
Atomizers by them selves could not become illegal or they would have to ban any thing that uses an atomizer.

I have Cluster Head Aches and a effective treatment for these is ... and LSA. That stuff is illegal, yet there are sites which you can by mushroom spores or hawian baby rose seeds. Heck there is even a web site telling you how to ectract the stuff and they hold open conventions.

The point is the goverment can not effectivly run what it already has to run. I really do not think that it can run an effective ban on e-cig.


-g

 

[TropicalBob]

So cavalier ... if the ban is broad for import and sale of e-smoking devices and liquid, then the mass market is gone. If you want to play boy-tinkerer in your garage with tobacco soaking in PG, go for it. I doubt the feds will come after you -- ever. But do not minimize what a ban will mean. No mass market? Good luck continuing to feed your addiction this way.

 

[Kilroy2.0]

All I am saying is that fear drives America and American citizens. How do you think we got in to the mess that we are in as a country. Selling our freedoms to the power money hungry politicians.

I am not saying that a ban is no big deal I am saying that it just would not be truly effective and that panic does no one any good.

-g

 

[Princessdee]

If anyone is organizing a plan for distribution if everything gets banned put me on your contact list please.

Me, me, me

 

[BigJimW]

Here what's going to happen, friends. Worst case scenario:

The ban goes into effect and all shipments are seized for good. It will be illegal to sell anything ecig or related. Imports and exports are gone.

This is not nessisarily the case. Importing e-cigs will not dry up. What the government would most likely do is inspect and seize large shipments destined to US distributors (like Smoking Everywhere and Vapor Options, LLC), and the smaller shipments destined for personal useage will more than likely make it through to the purchaser. I've bought a ton of computer stuff from Hong Kong distributors through e-Bay and never once had a problem with customs (and the products were actually pretty good). E-cigs will be no different.

There is no physical way that every one of the millions of packages imported on a daily basis can be opened and screened. It's impossible.

The worst case scenario here is the US distributors would be forced out of business or, in a better case, go underground and use forums such as this to market their goods. Their websites will be "fronts" for sales (like the e-cig equivilant of a Speakeasy). Shipments to the consumer will take longer as the supplier can no longer order in bulk, and will probably have to raise their prices to compensate for the lower sales and seizures that may take place.

This ban may put a dent in the US, but it will not stop it altogether. The electronic cigarette has arrived with big fanfare in the US and people are starting to notice. If the ban hits, what the government allows big tobacco to do from this point will be monitored by the people. If, 4 years from now, Phillip Morris comes out with the e-cig and the government removes the ban and allows them to sell it legally, it will be so blatently obvious that the government is for big industry and not the American People that it could be a catalist for a revolution. The American People will only let Uncle Sam screw them in the ... for so long before we say enough is enough.

I'm not worried about the legality of it. My landlord is a cop and even he owns one.

 

[RandallFlagg]

If, 4 years from now, Phillip Morris comes out with the e-cig and the government removes the ban and allows them to sell it legally, it will be so blatently obvious that the government is for big industry and not the American People that it could be a catalist for a revolution. The American People will only let Uncle Sam screw them in the ... for so long before we say enough is enough.

Personally, I don't think Washington cares about what Americans see as blatently obvious.

YouTube - Only GM Dealers That Donated To Republicans Were Shut Down! Congressman Ted Poe

 

[BigJimW]

We need more Ted Poes in government. Unfortunately there is so much of this **** in Washington. I am so surprised the people have not risen up yet.

I do know this much, if there is a ban on e-cigs, I have a perfect front for distributors. PM me if you want to know.

 

[LuckyCharm]

I'm still trying to come up with a "security measure" to kind of "vet" people who want to sign up for info about underground e-cigs, should it come to that. Wouldn't want anybody blowing their cover to "the Man"! Or is such a goal even attainable? Any ideas, anyone? If not, I'll just post a website that allows people to enter basic contact info, to be passed along to any clever entrepreneurs that might want to step up in the future...

~~Cheryl

 

[katink]

Make those Vapers-circles work, throughout all states. Get to know each other, so that word-by-mouth CAN be passed (and so you might get some better idea's who to trust and who not). See to it that at least a few people of each circle get to know at least a few people of neighbouring circles (and where to get hold of them).
Voila your network for when it is needed... great to organize protests that way; and for whatever else may be needed as the story unfolds further.

 

[dijohn76]

I'm still trying to come up with a "security measure" to kind of "vet" people who want to sign up for info about underground e-cigs, should it come to that. Wouldn't want anybody blowing their cover to "the Man"! Or is such a goal even attainable? Any ideas, anyone? If not, I'll just post a website that allows people to enter basic contact info, to be passed along to any clever entrepreneurs that might want to step up in the future...

~~Cheryl

Count me in!!

 

[Princessdee]

Make those Vapers-circles work, throughout all states. Get to know each other, so that word-by-mouth CAN be passed (and so you might get some better idea's who to trust and who not). See to it that at least a few people of each circle get to know at least a few people of neighbouring circles (and where to get hold of them).
Voila your network for when it is needed... great to organize protests that way; and for whatever else may be needed as the story unfolds further.

Great. If you can do that. I'm housebound, basically and 27 miles from the middle of nowhere. I write vaping letters to my reps (even sent one to Obama) and all that, but a meeting is out of the question for me. I know there have to be others like me. (Although Hubby did hook up one girl at work with websites and such, and she vapes now)

 

[ramblingrose]

Personally, I don't think Washington cares about what Americans see as blatently obvious.

Sad but true.

 

[iggyLover]

Put me on that list too!

 

[Sar]

... If, 4 years from now, Phillip Morris comes out with the e-cig and the government removes the ban and allows them to sell it legally, it will be so blatently obvious that the government is for big industry and not the American People that it could be a catalist for a revolution. The American People will only let Uncle Sam screw them in the ... for so long before we say enough is enough. ...

Sorry, but there will be no vaping revolution. The government has been getting away with much more without problems. Yes, there will be few laud voices for few weeks after the ban and maybe some late-night TV hosts will make a joke or two, but that will be all. After few months it will be back to normal, back to paying $10/pack for analogs.

As far as I know, Australia was successful banning e-cigs there. Unfortunately I don't think it will be any different in the US.

 

[LuckyCharm]

Put me on that list too!

To be quite honest, I haven't been tracking everybody who says "Put me on the list!" But the list is finally created, and you can put YOURSELF on it here. Please, pass this info on far and wide, because it would be impossible for me alone to catch everybody who's interested in becoming part of the underground movement.

Cheers,

~~Cheryl