NY state bill banning ecigs

[karmatized]

there titling the bill as to protect minors but it outright bans ecigs

 

[Rambosmurf]

I wrote to assemblymen, Senators, Governor, NYS quit smoking web page and numerous local Anti-tobacco organizations about this Horse-crap. One response from NY Quits, "Wrong person to complain to". No other responses, Surprise, surprise. God...I hate this State. (well, maybe not state, politicians and politics, yes)
PS: Anybody have a Governor that has a clue? Can we can borrow or have him/her, we ain't doing to good.

 

[karmatized]

arnold so far seems to be the smartest one. And he wasnt born here

 

[Vocalek]

New York
Gov. David Patterson (D) 518-474-8390
State Assembly Links
State Senate Links
Sen. Charles Schumer (D) Fax: 202-228-3027
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D) Fax: 202-228-0282
Rep. Tim Bishop (D-1) Fax: 202-225-3143
Rep. Steven Israel (D-2) Fax: 202-225-4669
Rep. Peter King (R-3) Fax: 202-226-2279
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-4) Fax: 202-225-5758
Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-5) Fax: 202-225-1589
Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-6) Fax: 202-226-4169
Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-7) Fax: 202-225-1909
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-8) Fax: 202-225-6923
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-9) Fax: 202-226-7243
Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-10) Fax: 202-225-1018
Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-11) Fax: 202-226-0112
Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-12) Fax: 202-226-0327
Rep. Michael McMahon (D-13) Fax: 202-225-1272
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-14) Fax: 202-225-4709
Non-constituents
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-15) Fax: 202-226-0816
Rep. Jose Serrano (D-16) Fax: 202-225-6001
Rep. Eliot Engel (D-17) Fax: 202-225-5513
Rep. Nita Lowey (D-18) Fax: 202-225-0546
Rep. John Hall (D-19) Fax: 202-225-3289
Rep. Scott Murphy (D-20) Fax: 202-225-1168
Rep. Paul Tonko (D-21) Fax: 202-225-5077
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-22) Fax: 202-226-0774
Rep. Bill Owens (D-23) Fax: 202-226-0621
Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-24) Fax: 202-225-1891
Rep. Dan Maffei (D-25) Fax: 202-225-4042
Rep. Christopher Lee (R-26) Fax: 202-225-5910
Rep. Brian Higgins (D-27) Fax: 202-226-0347
Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-28) Fax: 202-225-7822
Vacant (29) Fax: 202-226-6599


source: Complete E-Mail Addresses for Congress/House, Senate, Governors & State Legislators

OOPS: The above are the U.S. Government representatives. I'll keep looking for the contact info for the legislators at the state level.

 

[yvilla]

New York
Gov. David Patterson (D) 518-474-8390
State Assembly Links
State Senate Links

Elaine, except for these links to the Governor and the State Senate and Assembly, your list is of the wrong targets - they are the US Senators and Congresspeople from NY.

We need to hit the NYS Senators and Assemblypeople.

 

[yvilla]

The NYS Assembly members are listed here, each with a link to their contact info:
New York State Assembly - Member Section

And the NYS Senate members here:
Senators | New York State Senate

 

[fishhd]

I wrote to Will Barclay. He's a good friend of the family. See what happens.

Here my letter:

Dear Will,
Please vote no to banning E-cigs. I was a smoker for 30 years, and this device has helped me quit. If you are truly concerned about the health of your fellow New Yorkers, you will inform yourself before voting on this ban. I hope you will pass this e-mail on to your colleagues.
Banning the sale/use to minors only makes sense, but to eliminate this e-cig option for smokers will only result in the continuation of smoking and the increased chance that minors exposed to smokers will start smoking.
Also, e-cigs create no second hand smoke. This is the e-cig benefit that my wife and son enjoy.
2 years ago I called the NYS quit line and was told, and I quote "You are a useless case and will never quit." I have now been smoke free for 1 year thanks to e-cigs.
Here are a couple of links to information on e-cigs; please take the time to read and study these devices before voting.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/77092-ny-state-bill-banning-ecigs.html
Please let me know where you stand on this issue.
Thank you,
Bill Markle

The bold portion of the letter is totally true. I couldn't believe what the NYS quit line person was saying, I almost through my phone out the truck window. That was before the talk and drive ban, of course.

 

[similost]

I am so sick and tired of politicians sticking their noses in our personal affairs! I now I am going to vote against the majority of the current administration.

I get more satisfatcion out of not voting at all.. No matter who you vote for is a lieing theiving ....., and I can't support that no matter who it is.. If you vote for someone, to me that means you approve of them screwing you while you aren't looking, because they will eventually do that..

Some day maybe I can afford my own island, vote myself king, then just screw myself and cut out the middleman..

 

[Raven1]

@similost: You don't have to worry about jury duty either.

 

[Vocalek]

New York State Assembly - Member Section

This has been grueling. I have made it part-way through the D's. Only a few NY Assembly members actually post an email address. The rest use a form that requests all of your data, including home address. I found it necessary, then, to include an explanation regarding why someone from out-of-state would be interested in a law about to be passed in N.Y. See the P.S. Below is the message that I have posted to the first 40 names listed:

For the following reasons, A9529 needs to be amended to remove the text (lines 37-46) that would make it illegal to sell "electronic cigarettes" in the state of New York to anyone, regardless of age:
1. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers have been able to replace all of their tobacco cigarettes with vaporized nicotine from an electronic cigarette.
2. As a result of no longer inhaling tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, thousands of toxins and hundreds of carcinogens that are in cigarette smoke, those who have switched are experiencing improvements in their lung health and markers of cardiovascular health. They have also greatly reduced their risk for a variety of types of cancer. See: http://www.healthnz.co.nz/cancerrisk.htm
3. Electronic cigarettes are not targeted to young people. A University of Alberta survey shows that 87% of users are older than 31 years and all were previous smokers. http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/wpapers/011v1.pdf
4. The FDA test report failed to specify the quantity of carcinogens (TSNAs) it found in e-cigarette; however Health New Zealand conducted tests and determined the quantity is 8 ng/g, which matches the quantity found in a nicotine patch. http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf
5. Approximately 60% of electronic cigarette users would go back to tobacco cigarettes, which deliver a daily dose of 5,5000 to 11,000 ng/g of TSNAs, if electronic cigarettes are banned.

Banning the sale of electronic cigarettes would create a public health crisis, as thousands of former smokers relapse. It would also make these products unavailable as a less-harmful alternative for the millions of continuing smokers. For more information, visit my organization’s web site: http://www.casaa.org The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association (CASAA)

--Elaine Keller, CASAA Board Member

P.S. After smoking for 45 years, and trying you-name-it to quit, I switched to an electronic cigarette on 3/27/2009 and have been smoke-free ever since. One of the businesses from which I order supplies is headquartered in New York. As written, A9529 would put this life-saving company out of business.

 

[similost]

Just a thought here...

Vocaleck, you do a WONDERFUL job of trying to make politicians understand the reduced dangers, and the true facts of the differences. I have to commend you highly.

My thought though, is does this really matter to politicians? Are they really worried about our health?

Would it not be easier to explain the difference of people quitting cigarettes for PV's in something they understand? Cold hard cash numbers?

Many here figure states are trying to outlaw these, not because of the "dangers" but rather because of the lost tax revenue in cigarettes.

Can we not figure out some fuzzy numbers of the people who have switched, and will actually living longer? Show how much sales tax on other daily purchased items, property tax, wheel tax, fuel tax and any other "i'm living" tax will be collected, and show that it's in their best interest to keep people alive longer and off cigatettes, instead of trying to get them back on cigarettes for the short term tax collection before they do croak off early?

 

[Janetda]

I've posted an excel file with all the email addresses for the NY Assembly and the State Senate. You can find it here.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-residents-new-york-state-3.html#post1162129

 

[Raven1]

Just a thought here...

Vocaleck, you do a WONDERFUL job of trying to make politicians understand the reduced dangers, and the true facts of the differences. I have to commend you highly.

My thought though, is does this really matter to politicians? Are they really worried about our health?

Would it not be easier to explain the difference of people quitting cigarettes for PV's in something they understand? Cold hard cash numbers?

Many here figure states are trying to outlaw these, not because of the "dangers" but rather because of the lost tax revenue in cigarettes.

Can we not figure out some fuzzy numbers of the people who have switched, and will actually living longer? Show how much sales tax on other daily purchased items, property tax, wheel tax, fuel tax and any other "i'm living" tax will be collected, and show that it's in their best interest to keep people alive longer and off cigatettes, instead of trying to get them back on cigarettes for the short term tax collection before they do croak off early?

My sentiments exactly. The states/politicians (unfortunately) could care less about people who whine to them about how making e-cigs illegal would force them back to smoking analogues. They need tax revenue. The only way they would support these things is if it were a taxable item. That's the only way we'd be able to compete with cigarette sales. My advice to anyone would be to lobby to make these things tobacco-related items and to enable them to be taxed. It may cost us more, but it's probably the only option if we want to be able to keep purchasing them.

 

[Vocalek]

Actually, some politicians do listen. We sent lots of emails to the politicians in Utah, telling our personal stories, and some of those legislators listened. Utah kept the prohibition against sales to minors but amended the bill to eliminate banning all sales.

Have you heard the story of the guy who kept going up to women in bar and asking "Will you sleep with me?" The usual response was that he got a slap across the face. The bartender watched this and finally asked the guy, "Are you a glutton for punishment? You keep getting slapped across the face." The guy replied. "I don't mind. For every 99 slaps in the face, I get one women who takes me up on the offer."

 

[Raven1]

Actually, some politicians do listen. We sent lots of emails to the politicians in Utah, telling our personal stories, and some of those legislators listened. Utah kept the prohibition against sales to minors but amended the bill to eliminate banning all sales.

Have you heard the story of the guy who kept going up to women in bar and asking "Will you sleep with me?" The usual response was that he got a slap across the face. The bartender watched this and finally asked the guy, "Are you a glutton for punishment? You keep getting slapped across the face." The guy replied. "I don't mind. For every 99 slaps in the face, I get one women who takes me up on the offer."

I applaud you for trying! For every one that listens though, there are 50 that probably won't. At least there are some that will listen, wish it could be more.

 

[Vocalek]

I did a little Excel -> Word magic on the list Janet provided so that the email addresses can be copied and pasted into the "TO" field more easily. I "chunked" them because most email programs choke up if you put too many addresses in the To field. I sent several sets of messages out, but this was SOOOO much faster than typing into those dern forms. Thanks again to Janet!

AbbateP@assembly.state.ny.us;AlessiM@assembly.state.ny.us;AlfanoT@assembly.state.ny.us;AmedoreG@assembly.state.ny.us;ArroyoC@assembly.state.ny.us;AubryJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BacallesJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BallG@assembly.state.ny.us;BarclaW@assembly.state.ny.us;BarraR@assembly.state.ny.us;BarronI@assembly.state.ny.us;BenedeM@assembly.state.ny.us;BenjamM@assembly.state.ny.us;BingJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BoylandW@assembly.state.ny.us;BoyleP@assembly.state.ny.us;BrennaJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BrodskR@assembly.state.ny.us;BrookKrasnyA@assembly.state.ny.us;ButlerM@assembly.state.ny.us;

CahillK@assembly.state.ny.us;CalhouN@assembly.state.ny.us;CamaraK@assembly.state.ny.us;CanestR@assembly.state.ny.us;CarrozzaA@assembly.state.ny.us;CastelliR@assembly.state.ny.us;Castronl@assembly.state.ny.us;ChristensenJ@assembly.state.ny.us;ClarkB@assembly.state.ny.us;ColtonW@assembly.state.ny.us;ConteJ@assembly.state.ny.us;CookV@assembly.state.ny.us;CorwinJ@assembly.state.ny.us;CrespoM@assembly.state.ny.us;CrouchC@assembly.state.ny.us;CusickM@assembly.state.ny.us;CymbroS@assembly.state.ny.us;

DelMonF@assembly.state.ny.us;DenDekkerM@assembly.state.ny.us;DestitR@assembly.state.ny.us;DinowiJ@assembly.state.ny.us;DupreyJ@assembly.state.ny.us;EngleS@assembly.state.ny.us;ErrigoJ@assembly.state.ny.us;EspailA@assembly.state.ny.us;FarrelH@assembly.state.ny.us;FieldsG@assembly.state.ny.us;FinchG@assembly.state.ny.us;FitzpatrickM@assembly.state.ny.us;GabryszakD@assembly.state.ny.us;GalefS@assembly.state.ny.us;GanttD@assembly.state.ny.us;GianarM@assembly.state.ny.us;GibsonV@assembly.state.ny.us;GiglioJ@assembly.state.ny.us;GlickD@assembly.state.ny.us;GordonT@assembly.state.ny.us;GottfriedR@assembly.state.ny.us;GuntheA@assembly.state.ny.us;

HawleyS@assembly.state.ny.us;HayesJ@assembly.state.ny.us;HeastieC@assembly.state.ny.us;HevesiA@assembly.state.ny.us;HikindD@assembly.state.ny.us;HoytS@assembly.state.ny.us;HyerSpencerD@assembly.state.ny.us;JacobsR@assembly.state.ny.us;JaffeeE@assembly.state.ny.us;JeffriesH@assembly.state.ny.us;JohnS@assembly.state.ny.us;JordanJ@assembly.state.ny.us;KavanaghB@assembly.state.ny.us;KellnerM@assembly.state.ny.us;KolbB@assembly.state.ny.us;KoonD@assembly.state.ny.us;

LancmanR@assembly.state.ny.us;LatimeG@assembly.state.ny.us;LavineC@assembly.state.ny.us;LentolJ@assembly.state.ny.us;LiftonB@assembly.state.ny.us;LopezP@assembly.state.ny.us;LopezV@assembly.state.ny.us;LupardoD@assembly.state.ny.us;MageeW@assembly.state.ny.us;MagnarW@assembly.state.ny.us;MaiselA@assembly.state.ny.us;MarkeyM@assembly.state.ny.us;MayersN@assembly.state.ny.us;McDonoD@assembly.state.ny.us;McEnenJ@assembly.state.ny.us;MckeviT@assembly.state.ny.us;MengG@assembly.state.ny.us;MillerJ@assembly.state.ny.us;MillerMG@assembly.state.ny.us;MillmaJ@assembly.state.ny.us;MolinaroM@assembly.state.ny.us;MontesanoM@assembly.state.ny.us;morellej@assembly.state.ny.us;MurrayD@assembly.state.ny.us;

NolanC@assembly.state.ny.us;OdonnellD@assembly.state.ny.us;OmaraT@assembly.state.ny.us;OaksR@assembly.state.ny.us;OrtizF@assembly.state.ny.us;ParmenW@assembly.state.ny.us;PaulinA@assembly.state.ny.us;PeopleC@assembly.state.ny.us;PerryN@assembly.state.ny.us;PheffeA@assembly.state.ny.us;PowellA@assembly.state.ny.us;PretloJ@assembly.state.ny.us;QuinnJ@assembly.state.ny.us;RabbitA@assembly.state.ny.us;RaiaA@assembly.state.ny.us;RamosP@assembly.state.ny.us;ReilicW@assembly.state.ny.us;ReillyR@assembly.state.ny.us;RiveraJ@assembly.state.ny.us;RiveraN@assembly.state.ny.us;RiveraP@assembly.state.ny.us;RobinsonA@assembly.state.ny.us;RosentL@assembly.state.ny.us;RussellA@assembly.state.ny.us;

SaladiJ@assembly.state.ny.us;SaywarT@assembly.state.ny.us;ScarboW@assembly.state.ny.us;SchimelM@assembly.state.ny.us;SchimmR@assembly.state.ny.us;SchroeM@assembly.state.ny.us;ScozzaD@assembly.state.ny.us;Speaker@assembly.state.ny.us;SkartadosF@assembly.state.ny.us;SpanoM@assembly.state.ny.us;StirpeA@assembly.state.ny.us;Sweeney@assembly.state.ny.us;
TediscJ@assembly.state.ny.us;ThieleF@assembly.state.ny.us;TitoneM@assembly.state.ny.us;TitusM@assembly.state.ny.us;TobaccoL@assembly.state.ny.us;TownsD@assembly.state.ny.us;TownseD@assembly.state.ny.us;WeisenH@assembly.state.ny.us;WrightK@assembly.state.ny.us;ZebrowskiK@assembly.state.ny.us;

cyoung@senate.state.ny.us;winner@senate.state.ny.us;volker@senate.state.ny.us;valesky@senate.state.ny.us;athompso@senate.state.ny.us;district13@senate.state.ny.us;scousins@senate.state.ny.us;stavisky@senate.state.ny.us;stachows@senate.state.ny.us;squadron@senate.state.ny.us;masmith@senate.state.ny.us;skelos@senate.state.ny.us;seward@senate.state.ny.us;serrano@senate.state.ny.us;schneide@senate.state.ny.us;savino@senate.state.ny.us;sampson@senate.state.ny.us;saland@senate.state.ny.us;robach@senate.state.ny.us;ranz@senate.state.ny.us;perkins@senate.state.ny.us;Peralta@senate.state.ny.us;parker@senate.state.ny.us;padavan@senate.state.ny.us;oppenhei@senate.state.ny.us;

onorato@senate.state.ny.us;nozzolio@senate.state.ny.us;morahan@senate.state.ny.us;montgome@senate.state.ny.us;mcdonald@senate.state.ny.us;maziarz@senate.state.ny.us;marcelli@senate.state.ny.us;little@senate.state.ny.us;senator@senatorlibous.com;leibell@senate.state.ny.us;lavalle@senate.state.ny.us;larkin@senate.state.ny.us;lanza@senate.state.ny.us;kruger@senate.state.ny.us;lkrueger@senate.state.ny.us;jdklein@senate.state.ny.us;ojohnson@senate.state.ny.us;johnson@senate.state.ny.us;shuntley@senate.state.ny.us;hassellt@senate.state.ny.us;

hannon@senate.state.ny.us;griffo@senate.state.ny.us;golden@senate.state.ny.us;fuschill@senate.state.ny.us;sd3info@gmail.com;flanagan@senate.state.ny.us;farley@senate.state.ny.us;espada@senate.state.ny.us;duane@senate.state.ny.us;dilan@senate.state.ny.us;diaz@senate.state.ny.us;jdefranc@senate.state.ny.us;breslin@senate.state.ny.us;bonacic@senate.state.ny.us;aubertin@senate.state.ny.us;alesi@senate.state.ny.us;addabbo@senate.state.ny.us;eadams@senate.state.ny.us

 

[taz3cat]

PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF BILL: This bill seeks to ban the sale and
distribution of items containing or delivering nicotine that are not
currently classified as tobacco products or approved as tobacco use
cessation or harm reduction products by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and also to prevent minors from purchasing these products

Sun, maybe you can explain to me what part of Judge Leon's ruling that E-cigarettes were Tobacco Products, that the NY legislature failed to understand. I read his ruling to mean that the FDA was to regulate them as tobacco products.

If the FDA would classify them correctly they would automatically be banned to minors. Minors getting e-cigarettes, if they are getting them, is the FDA's fault.

Has one goverment agency took over our government, including the courts?

 

[taz3cat]

I did a little Excel -> Word magic on the list Janet provided so that the email addresses can be copied and pasted into the "TO" field more easily. I "chunked" them because most email programs choke up if you put too many addresses in the To field. I sent several sets of messages out, but this was SOOOO much faster than typing into those dern forms. Thanks again to Janet!

AbbateP@assembly.state.ny.us;AlessiM@assembly.state.ny.us;AlfanoT@assembly.state.ny.us;AmedoreG@assembly.state.ny.us;ArroyoC@assembly.state.ny.us;AubryJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BacallesJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BallG@assembly.state.ny.us;BarclaW@assembly.state.ny.us;BarraR@assembly.state.ny.us;BarronI@assembly.state.ny.us;BenedeM@assembly.state.ny.us;BenjamM@assembly.state.ny.us;BingJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BoylandW@assembly.state.ny.us;BoyleP@assembly.state.ny.us;BrennaJ@assembly.state.ny.us;BrodskR@assembly.state.ny.us;BrookKrasnyA@assembly.state.ny.us;ButlerM@assembly.state.ny.us;

CahillK@assembly.state.ny.us;CalhouN@assembly.state.ny.us;CamaraK@assembly.state.ny.us;CanestR@assembly.state.ny.us;CarrozzaA@assembly.state.ny.us;CastelliR@assembly.state.ny.us;Castronl@assembly.state.ny.us;ChristensenJ@assembly.state.ny.us;ClarkB@assembly.state.ny.us;ColtonW@assembly.state.ny.us;ConteJ@assembly.state.ny.us;CookV@assembly.state.ny.us;CorwinJ@assembly.state.ny.us;CrespoM@assembly.state.ny.us;CrouchC@assembly.state.ny.us;CusickM@assembly.state.ny.us;CymbroS@assembly.state.ny.us;

DelMonF@assembly.state.ny.us;DenDekkerM@assembly.state.ny.us;DestitR@assembly.state.ny.us;DinowiJ@assembly.state.ny.us;DupreyJ@assembly.state.ny.us;EngleS@assembly.state.ny.us;ErrigoJ@assembly.state.ny.us;EspailA@assembly.state.ny.us;FarrelH@assembly.state.ny.us;FieldsG@assembly.state.ny.us;FinchG@assembly.state.ny.us;FitzpatrickM@assembly.state.ny.us;GabryszakD@assembly.state.ny.us;GalefS@assembly.state.ny.us;GanttD@assembly.state.ny.us;GianarM@assembly.state.ny.us;GibsonV@assembly.state.ny.us;GiglioJ@assembly.state.ny.us;GlickD@assembly.state.ny.us;GordonT@assembly.state.ny.us;GottfriedR@assembly.state.ny.us;GuntheA@assembly.state.ny.us;

HawleyS@assembly.state.ny.us;HayesJ@assembly.state.ny.us;HeastieC@assembly.state.ny.us;HevesiA@assembly.state.ny.us;HikindD@assembly.state.ny.us;HoytS@assembly.state.ny.us;HyerSpencerD@assembly.state.ny.us;JacobsR@assembly.state.ny.us;JaffeeE@assembly.state.ny.us;JeffriesH@assembly.state.ny.us;JohnS@assembly.state.ny.us;JordanJ@assembly.state.ny.us;KavanaghB@assembly.state.ny.us;KellnerM@assembly.state.ny.us;KolbB@assembly.state.ny.us;KoonD@assembly.state.ny.us;

LancmanR@assembly.state.ny.us;LatimeG@assembly.state.ny.us;LavineC@assembly.state.ny.us;LentolJ@assembly.state.ny.us;LiftonB@assembly.state.ny.us;LopezP@assembly.state.ny.us;LopezV@assembly.state.ny.us;LupardoD@assembly.state.ny.us;MageeW@assembly.state.ny.us;MagnarW@assembly.state.ny.us;MaiselA@assembly.state.ny.us;MarkeyM@assembly.state.ny.us;MayersN@assembly.state.ny.us;McDonoD@assembly.state.ny.us;McEnenJ@assembly.state.ny.us;MckeviT@assembly.state.ny.us;MengG@assembly.state.ny.us;MillerJ@assembly.state.ny.us;MillerMG@assembly.state.ny.us;MillmaJ@assembly.state.ny.us;MolinaroM@assembly.state.ny.us;MontesanoM@assembly.state.ny.us;morellej@assembly.state.ny.us;MurrayD@assembly.state.ny.us;

NolanC@assembly.state.ny.us;OdonnellD@assembly.state.ny.us;OmaraT@assembly.state.ny.us;OaksR@assembly.state.ny.us;OrtizF@assembly.state.ny.us;ParmenW@assembly.state.ny.us;PaulinA@assembly.state.ny.us;PeopleC@assembly.state.ny.us;PerryN@assembly.state.ny.us;PheffeA@assembly.state.ny.us;PowellA@assembly.state.ny.us;PretloJ@assembly.state.ny.us;QuinnJ@assembly.state.ny.us;RabbitA@assembly.state.ny.us;RaiaA@assembly.state.ny.us;RamosP@assembly.state.ny.us;ReilicW@assembly.state.ny.us;ReillyR@assembly.state.ny.us;RiveraJ@assembly.state.ny.us;RiveraN@assembly.state.ny.us;RiveraP@assembly.state.ny.us;RobinsonA@assembly.state.ny.us;RosentL@assembly.state.ny.us;RussellA@assembly.state.ny.us;

SaladiJ@assembly.state.ny.us;SaywarT@assembly.state.ny.us;ScarboW@assembly.state.ny.us;SchimelM@assembly.state.ny.us;SchimmR@assembly.state.ny.us;SchroeM@assembly.state.ny.us;ScozzaD@assembly.state.ny.us;Speaker@assembly.state.ny.us;SkartadosF@assembly.state.ny.us;SpanoM@assembly.state.ny.us;StirpeA@assembly.state.ny.us;Sweeney@assembly.state.ny.us;
TediscJ@assembly.state.ny.us;ThieleF@assembly.state.ny.us;TitoneM@assembly.state.ny.us;TitusM@assembly.state.ny.us;TobaccoL@assembly.state.ny.us;TownsD@assembly.state.ny.us;TownseD@assembly.state.ny.us;WeisenH@assembly.state.ny.us;WrightK@assembly.state.ny.us;ZebrowskiK@assembly.state.ny.us;

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Vocalek, Janet you guys are an awesome team. wonderful.

PS I need to learn to type faster

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun, maybe you can explain to me what part of Judge Leon's ruling that E-cigarettes were Tobacco Products, that the NY legislature failed to understand. I read his ruling to mean that the FDA was to regulate them as tobacco products.

If the FDA would classify them correctly they would automatically be banned to minors. Minors getting e-cigarettes, if they are getting them, is the FDA's fault.

Has one goverment agency took over our government, including the courts?

Sure Taz--I will post the relevent quote for you. Give me a few minutes.



Sun

 

[kristin]

Just a thought here...

Vocaleck, you do a WONDERFUL job of trying to make politicians understand the reduced dangers, and the true facts of the differences. I have to commend you highly.

My thought though, is does this really matter to politicians? Are they really worried about our health?

Would it not be easier to explain the difference of people quitting cigarettes for PV's in something they understand? Cold hard cash numbers?

Many here figure states are trying to outlaw these, not because of the "dangers" but rather because of the lost tax revenue in cigarettes.

Can we not figure out some fuzzy numbers of the people who have switched, and will actually living longer? Show how much sales tax on other daily purchased items, property tax, wheel tax, fuel tax and any other "i'm living" tax will be collected, and show that it's in their best interest to keep people alive longer and off cigatettes, instead of trying to get them back on cigarettes for the short term tax collection before they do croak off early?

Actually, the prevailing thought of many ecig/anti tobacco experts is that this a concerted effort by the anti smoking groups (largely funded by Big Pharma) targeting specific legislators and not a tax issue. The other legislators just follow along, thinking this could be a "no brainer" win to take back in triumph to their constituents.

Unfortunately, it's about as much of a "win" as banning flavored tobacco to "save the children" when flavored tobaccos only made up 2% of overall sales. These legislators don't bother to look beyond the obvious. Not only that, some of them may be hoodwinked into thinking these are just bans for minors and not notice the overall ban.

This proposed legislation practically the same as Utah, which is one of the most "anti vice" states in the union, and we were able to convince those legislators to ban to minors, but keep for adults. They literally remarked how "these seem to be helping people."

We did it once, we can do it again!