obamacare and vaping?

[Petrodus]

Well if you're truly worried about that take a look at proxy servers, the Tor Project, Onion Routing, etc. They don't work on all sites especially those that require 3rd party installs like flash, pdf, etc...but that might ease your mind a little bit if you wanted to attempt to try...but now I'm just getting off topic.

But if they go by your e-filing account and tax return that wouldn't help much.

There are some ways to cloak ...
However, there are foreign governments known to have cracked into the Pentagon
and they used very sophisticated cloaking tools ... Yet the government knows exactly
where the attack came from. As soon as a cloaking devise is known ... Our government geeks
will find a way to track. Believe it OR Not.

 

[Uma]

Text of H.R. 1256 (111th): Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (Passed Congress/Enrolled Bill version) - GovTrack.us

"2) The term ‘tobacco product’ does not mean an article that is a drug under subsection (g)(1), a device under subsection (h), or a combination product described in section 503(g)."

 

[rothenbj]

Text of H.R. 1256 (111th): Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (Passed Congress/Enrolled Bill version) - GovTrack.us

"2) The term ‘tobacco product’ does not mean an article that is a drug under subsection (g)(1), a device under subsection (h), or a combination product described in section 503(g)."

Fear not Big Pharma customers, you're safe from Obamacare tobacco "excise" premiums. However, that brings into question how they can differentiate between 2 similar cotinine test results. Will you need to save your receipts when you buy nicotine gum to prove your not using a tobacco product?

 

[2coils]

Fear not Big Pharma customers, you're safe from Obamacare tobacco "excise" premiums. However, that brings into question how they can differentiate between 2 similar cotinine test results. Will you need to save your receipts when you buy nicotine gum to prove your not using a tobacco product?

BP would love that!! How many new customers will BP get when folks start scurrying for receipts? Almost like paying a mob for protection!

 

[Uma]

I had no idea about page 10 of Obama care, where they take your kids from you, and how they shut down the national Amber alert during themgov shut down, and How the borders are wide open, ...and how the underground military in the tunnels are training for civil unrest, and people are disappearing left and right... And so much more. I'm listening to the ride for the constitution truckers episode right now, and I have a lot to catch up on!! I've been stuck in vaping fights, knowing we need to finite with others who are losing their rights, like the poor senior citizens being evicted from their homes, towns banning workers with nicotine (FOCUS JUICE) in their systems...
Here's the program Ride For The Constitution Show with Zeeda Andrews
The media isn't saying much of anything.
There's a whole Lot of stuff going on...

 

[dave8944]

Fear not Big Pharma customers, you're safe from Obamacare tobacco "excise" premiums. However, that brings into question how they can differentiate between 2 similar cotinine test results. Will you need to save your receipts when you buy nicotine gum to prove your not using a tobacco product?

A few years back NC required state workers to pay extra fees for health insurance if they smoked. Users could avoid the extra fees if they enrolled in smoking cessation programs. These programs gave discounts for nicotine patches/gum, but they didn't track their use. I thought at the time I would have to enroll in one of these programs as a vapor in order to avoid the nicotine test. They were also supposed to increase your rates if your BMI was too high. Lucky for us the democrats were swept out of office, and the new republican legislator and governor repealed all these requirements (not so lucky for funding for our shcools).

 

[sherid]

I still smoke 5 cigarettes a day and have done that for 5 years now. I know how my brain works and if I told myself I could never smoke again, then I would soon be back to a pack a day as I did for 43 years. My other reason for continuing to smoke some cigarettes is to avoid aligning myself with anti smokers as I see many on this forum do. Every time I hear the rhetoric of anti-smokers from people who now vape, I shout hypocrite.

 

[Petrodus]

I still smoke 5 cigarettes a day and have done that for 5 years now. I know how my brain works and if I told myself I could never smoke again, then I would soon be back to a pack a day as I did for 43 years. My other reason for continuing to smoke some cigarettes is to avoid aligning myself with anti smokers as I see many on this forum do. Every time I hear the rhetoric of anti-smokers from people who now vape, I shout hypocrite.

Many vapers smoke 1 or more cigarettes every day ...
However, few here will admit it ...
Because it's considered Politically Incorrect
only those who post they 100% quit get KUDOS.
(sarcasm) ...

At this point ... members will post their testimonies
giving the impression members (vapers) no longer smoke
any cigarettes.

 

[sherid]

I know several people from my area who begin just like the people here with the testimony that they have not smoked a cigarette since they picked up the ecig two weeks or a month before. I always say, good for you, keep it up. Then, a month later, there they are back to smoking cigs full time. I am a believer in playing tricks on my mind. If I say I will NEVER smoke another cig, it's almost certain that I will start smoking even more when the novelty of vaping wears off. I am not saying my way is the way to go since I don't make decisions for others, but it works for me. BTW, I try NEVER to be politically correct just to fit in.

 

[AttyPops]

Sigh. Well, it's on topic I guess since we're talking about a surcharge. So I'll bite.

I haven't smoked a cig in over 3 years. I totally encourage you to try to get off the tobacco. Particularly the burned stuff.

Does that make me a hypocrite? No. It makes me a reformed tobacco addict and a current nicotine addict. We reformed tobacco addicts aren't going to put up with all the excuses. We know all of them. lol.

That's not to say we condemn smokers. Hardly. We sympathize and encourage you to quit. Why?

Because filling your body with even 1 cigs worth of the 10,000 tobacco poisons is very detrimental to your health. Even 1 cig. The people that go around saying "3 or less cigs is like you're not smoking" are wrong. Just plain wrong. I've even heard people say their doctor told them that. Their doctor was wrong.

I absolutely encourage people to cut down if they can't quit/switch entirely. Sure. And KUDOS to you and all the others that manage to cut down. I also encourage you to investigate other combinations of things...like snus and e-cigs, or WTA juice. Anything without the products of combustion. They damage the walls of your arteries WAY more than non-combustion stuff. And there's way more carcinogens too.

It's a free country. And we all have our own unique paths. So do what works for you. However, don't kid yourself either. And don't kid a kidder. This is not "Anti-smoker propaganda" or ANTZ agenda. You're talking to a former smoker here. You can't kid me. You guys and gals that have not quit smoking (yet?) still get KUDOS and support. However, you'll also get encouragement to find another way. Like I said; in the end it's a free country. Do what works for you.

I still smoke 5 cigarettes a day and have done that for 5 years now. I know how my brain works and if I told myself I could never smoke again, then I would soon be back to a pack a day as I did for 43 years. My other reason for continuing to smoke some cigarettes is to avoid aligning myself with anti smokers as I see many on this forum do. Every time I hear the rhetoric of anti-smokers from people who now vape, I shout hypocrite.

 

[xpackaday]

so the government healtcare marketplaces are impossible to log onto. however, msnbc has this tool NBCU - Affordable Care Act. question number 6 asks if you "use tobacoo". since my wife and i both quit smoking and now vape, how is that question supposed to be answered??

I have never bought any health insurance that did not ask " do you use tobacoo"

 

[Uma]

I think Buck Ofama is going to be lighting up quite often when the 1000 mile veteran march begins in a few days. Will his insurance go up?

 

[djezewski]

I have never bought any health insurance that did not ask " do you use tobacoo"

My husband has insurance through the State Gov., he is retired now and still does..no they have not asked about it and neither did I when I worked for the State. So what does that tell us...gov workers are treated differently...ya think?

 

[Petrodus]

I think Buck Ofama is going to be lighting up quite often when the 1000 mile veteran march begins in a few days. Will his insurance go up?

My war was Viet-Nam
Vets have had it with Buck Ofama's bull-
especially after he opened the mall to welcome illegals.

 

[Racehorse]

So do what works for you. However, don't kid yourself either. And don't kid a kidder. This is not "Anti-smoker propaganda" or ANTZ agenda. You're talking to a former smoker here. You can't kid me. You guys and gals that have not quit smoking (yet?) still get KUDOS and support. However, you'll also get encouragement to find another way.

There's an article floating around here somewhere, that I will link to if i can find it. It tells in detail HOW smoking analog combustibles actually DOES it's damage. I think a lot of people do not understand exactly how it works.

And so, you are correct. The cellular damage that is done, with each puff on the hot combustible analog, is quite {overwhelmingly} destructive.

I agree though that everyone should do what works for them. Let's just not lie to ourselves.

I *heard* my addiction do the talking for 20 years. Once examined, and being a self-examined person is never a bad thing, I was able to see all the ways I justified my cigs. So AttyPops saying "you can't kid a kidder" hit home.

If anyone needs a little additional help, Allan Carr's famous book, The Easy Way to Quit Smoking, is a classic now and it's an extraordinary book, and can help with other stuff, too.

Good luck to everybody, whatever path you choose.

 

[djezewski]

My war was Viet-Nam
Vets have had it with Buck Ofama's bull-
especially after he opened the mall to welcome illegals.

There is a truckers protest this weekend. Apparently the Department of Transportation (DOT) is currently pushing a law that would require every trucker to have a tracking device in his or her vehicle. This device keeps track of mandatory breaks, idling time, and driving speed. Also truckers hrs are being cut to under 30 hrs to avoid employers paying health insurance.

 

[Petrodus]

Ain't "Big Government" ... Wonderful ??!!

 

[AttyPops]

So it varies by state and by company. Nice to know. Yep lots of variables. And for the record, NONE of it is a current federal mandate. The only thing the fed did was limit it (cap it) at 1.5 times the normal rate so they couldn't charge people 3x the rate or something.

To the anti-gubment trolls, this message is not to you because I'm not feeding trolls. Just correcting misconceptions (and I tried that before and people still think it's the ACA. Like tobacco use questions haven't been on some policies since the 1980's....)

This is absolutely nothing new folks. It may be for you, if you haven't seen it before. But it's all state/company decisions.

The fed didn't MANDATE it (well, at least for this next year). There's a "glitch" right now. I'll bet it changes before any mandated tobacco surcharge actually goes into effect. But that's me predicting stuff.

Some states have limited the maximum "additional charges" that people can incur. Other groups are fighting the after-subsidy charges because they hit the poor the hardest and it is claimed that they are counter-purpose to the ACA's premise.

So any ACA related charges won't go in place until 2015 if they make it through at all.
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-smokers.php

 

[Fulgurant]

There is a truckers protest this weekend. Apparently the Department of Transportation (DOT) is currently pushing a law that would require every trucker to have a tracking device in his or her vehicle. This device keeps track of mandatory breaks, idling time, and driving speed. Also truckers hrs are being cut to under 30 hrs to avoid employers paying health insurance.

30 hours a week of paid work @ ~30-40 cents per mile, and the privilege of living in a truck for 12 days out of every 14. Yeah, that's no good at all. No surprise, though; the trucking industry is one of the most abusive in existence, and for all of the heady talk about workers' rights, no one's willing to go to bat for the truckers, because everyone has a stake in keeping shipping costs down.

 

[Uma]

That's not all they're protesting.
1000 Mile March For Liberty Impeach Obama - YouTube