Not sure where you could read that in what I posted...
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That day is here and I do all those things now. I don't understand your point.
I grab a Kanger subtank, throw some juice in it and attach it to my Cool Fire IV. I vape away. I don't know anything about batteries or ohms law or anything else. I do know that I like vaping around 30W, but if it didn't say 30W that would be fine with me, I'd adjust until I liked it.
The throat hit and flavor with subohm tanks and 30W - 50W is better than anything I ever had at 15W. Much better.
I don't chase clouds and I don't build my own coils.
You seem to want to keep lumping everyone that enjoys vaping over 20W into the same pool. That's not only shortsighted, it's ignorant.
When provari's were popular, pre-made coils were all around 2ohm. In the past year manufacturers of tanks and coils have made it possible for beginners and folks that don't care to make their own coils to experience the benefits of subohming. Provape needs to keep up with that.
They can still do it safely and they don't need to manufacture a 200W power beast, but if the new device doesn't go to at least 50W they're shooting themselves in the foot again.
There's a reason you can buy used Provari's in the classifieds for around $50 now (unheard of last summer). Many, many people have discovered the benefits of premade coils in the .5 to .9 range that need more than 20W to reap the benefits of them.
I could not like this post of yours more, Zen. Bravo. If I were just now switching to vape, there is simply NO way I would do it. You hit the nail on the head speaking of vape shops, what's offered, and the new language necessary to the vaper. After several years of vaping, I'm still "Ohm who?", and would MUCH prefer to vape by taste than numbers. One of my favorite devices has no screen. Too hot? Too cold? Adjust. Push button, vape, then do a DPL grunt. Easy is the name of my game.
"To go through life as blissfully unaware of what's going on behind the scenes..." YES. This. In fact, I cried huge tears when RBAs hit the scene. I didn't even WANT to know what made the magic happen. I just want to vape. I want no part of cigarette smoking. I was it easy, plug and play, and mathless.
And I am only as dumb as a 1/2 box of rocks...
(dammit, I included math there, didn't I!)
Please explain - I don't understand the connection. People who don't care to make their own coils can vape away at any resistance and benefit from it - so why necessarily subohm?
Get your nic fix, and or enjoy the vape as well?
"benefit from it" is very subjective.
Hmm, thought it was self-explanatory.
Previously, subohmers were folks that made their own coils. This was a niche mainly served with mechanical mods. The vast majority of pre-made coils were 1.5ohm and above and suited the majority of regulated devices on the market that went up to 15W to 20W.
When manufacturers started making coils that went as low as .2, people that didn't want to make their own coils could now get into subohm vaping much more easily. Many mod manufacturers saw this change and began making regulated mods that went higher than 20W.
Folks that didn't make their own coils COULD NOT vape away at any resistance (as you state), because pre-made sub ohm coils did not exist.
awesome posting Zen
ProVape, we need hints please
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Since Willy got a special PM this morning from me, with all the details, what do you all say we let him tell us more
Passes microphone to WillyZee......
Agreed, chanara.
For me, it depends on my mood. I use mostly .5 ohm coils. Sometimes I vape them at 19W's and sometimes I vape them closer to 30W, so it's nice to have that range. One year ago I never went over 12W's with my 2.0Ohm coils.
Who knows what the next year will bring? To be safe, it's hard for me to purchase a mod that doesn't go up to 50W now, even though I sometimes vape under 20W.
For me, it depends on my mood. I use mostly .5 ohm coils. Sometimes I vape them at 19W's and sometimes I vape them closer to 30W, so it's nice to have that range. One year ago I never went over 12W's with my 2.0Ohm coils.
Who knows what the next year will bring? To be safe, it's hard for me to purchase a mod that doesn't go up to 50W now, even though I sometimes vape under 20W.
You wrote previously about
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who could now experience the benefits of subohming. For me, it sounded a bit as if subohming was the long-awaited salvation with benefits for all, which I think is not true and especially not true for beginners. We agree to disagree at this point - and I'll leave it at it, because subohming pro and contra is not really the focus of this thread.
I'm not sure what we're agreeing to disagree on other than the fact that you read to much into my posts and come to conclusions that don't exist, but that's Ok we can agree on that.
Did i miss something?
When did gennies become simple 'plug and play' devices requiring no build ability and no knowledge of the numbers?
Back on topic, definitely interested to see what Provape has up their sleeve, always had a great deal of respect for the company, but they have been lagging lately.
When did gennies become simple 'plug and play' devices requiring no build ability and no knowledge of the numbers?
Back on topic, definitely interested to see what Provape has up their sleeve, always had a great deal of respect for the company, but they have been lagging lately.
Actually, if I was lumping everybody that vapes over 20 watts into the same pool, that WOULD be ignorant, but I don't do that. I can see why you would read what I'm saying as that, but I truly am not.
I do however, feel that the chase for power has led us down a path into ranges that we don't need to go, if our purpose for vaping is to get off, and stay off combustible tobacco.
I somewhat agree with many things that have been said by folks on both sides of the argument, but I don't completely agree with any of them.
Just as I don't expect anybody to completely agree with me. I'm actually not here to argue with anybody, I'm here for the hints, and along the way I'm voicing my opinions based on my own personal observations... it doesn't make me right or you wrong. I see what I see, you see what you see. We get to be who we want to be.
I have not resorted to name calling, saying that people that do not agree with me are ignorant, or wrong, or even entirely misguided, and I won't be baited into that either, because it's not the way I see things.
I'm here to see what the radius is, and from my observation the folks that like high power are stomping their feet insisting that if ProVape doesn't make it at LEAST 50 watts then they have somehow managed to end their illustrious reign in the hall of the vaping king, which is a foolish notion.
Then shortly after it's at 50 watts the cries will be to make it 60... then 70... then 120... Why? Because SOME people want to buy a ProVari that is higher power. Yep, Some people do want a higher power ProVari... and if I'm not mistaken it was mentioned quite early in the thread that this WILL be more power.
So why not wait until you know how much power it will be before complaining that it's not enough? Will it be 15% more? 50% more... DOUBLE? Who knows... I've stated that in MY opinion it won't be much more than Double, because the Laws of Physics as I understand them seem to indicate that on a single cell, even the mighty 25R, that it kind of hits a brick wall right in that range, with the possible exception of the Chinese Imperial Wattage mods that get to nearly 40, then lie their way to 60 or 70. ProVape isn't gonna lie their way to 50,60, 70 or 100 watts... at least I hope they don't.
You want to vape at high power, by all means do so. The only category I lump you into is that you're a vaper. I'm just playing the role of a guy with an educated guess, not a prognosticator that can see the future.
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