Official ProVari Radius Thread

[zapped]

You have a point Zen, several in fact.

When I first came back to vaping I didnt know what watts were. I actually had to have someone look it up for me.

I used this simple formula to get my Provari in range then adjusted up or down according to taste.

Take the Ohms of your cartomizer (nobody used clearos back then) and add 2...this give you a good base or starting voltage.

For instance:

2 ohm carto + 2 equals 4 volts.

3ohm plus 2 equals 5 volts. etc etc

There a lot to be said for that kind of simplicity and I think a lot of people just starting vaping are missing that.

Smoking was a very simple act. You pack the pack, open it, grab a cigarette and then light it and inhale.

For me personally, Ive tried to make vaping just as simple whenever possible.

 

[Zen~]

Half a dozen

Yep, a Half Dozen... you nailed it!

Did i miss something?

When did gennies become simple 'plug and play' devices requiring no build ability and no knowledge of the numbers.

I believe I said the FUTURE of vaping is plug and play. I have not manufactured a Genesis Atomizer in nearly two years... and truth be told, personally I have not coiled an atty since September of 2014 when I made the first prototype of the Kabuki.

You know, we went to rebuildables WAYYYYYYYY back in 2011 because there were no good attys or tanks on the market... rebuilding is OLD school... the cool kids all use drop in coils now, it's easy, and way less time consuming.

 

[coldgin96]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[raitizz]

Fasttech sells those!

Sadly, I know.

R

 

[spartanstew]

I do however, feel that the chase for power has led us down a path into ranges that we don't need to go, if our purpose for vaping is to get off, and stay off combustible tobacco.

Agreed.

I'm here for the hints, and along the way I'm voicing my opinions based on my own personal observations... it doesn't make me right or you wrong. I see what I see, you see what you see. We get to be who we want to be.

Agreed.

I have not resorted to name calling, saying that people that do not agree with me are ignorant, or wrong, or even entirely misguided, and I won't be baited into that either, because it's not the way I see things.

Nor have I

I'm here to see what the radius is, and from my observation the folks that like high power are stomping their feet insisting that if ProVape doesn't make it at LEAST 50 watts then they have somehow managed to end their illustrious reign in the hall of the vaping king, which is a foolish notion.

Well, I haven't seen anyone stomping their feet. As to the end of their reign, it could be argued that this has already happened, but this is not the thread for that, nor does it mean they couldn't reign once more. Many are hoping for that.

Then shortly after it's at 50 watts the cries will be to make it 60... then 70... then 120... Why? Because SOME people want to buy a ProVari that is higher power. Yep, Some people do want a higher power ProVari... and if I'm not mistaken it was mentioned quite early in the thread that this WILL be more power.

Why? Because things might change. Batteries, wicking material, etc., etc. Two years ago nobody wanted a device over 20W. Now, many do because other pieces of equipment (tanks, coils) have changed. A year from now? 2 years from now? Who knows. 100W might be the sweet spot.

I didn't see anyone officially state it would have more power, but perhaps I missed that.

So why not wait until you know how much power it will be before complaining that it's not enough?

I don't recall folks complaining that it wouldn't be enough, but I have read folks complaining that it will probably be too much.

 

[ENAUD]

Half a dozen

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

I believe I said the FUTURE of vaping is plug and play. I have not manufactured a Genesis Atomizer in nearly two years... and truth be told, personally I have not coiled an atty since September of 2014 when I made the first prototype of the Kabuki.

You know, we went to rebuildables WAYYYYYYYY back in 2011 because there were no good attys or tanks on the market... rebuilding is OLD school... the cool kids all use drop in coils now, it's easy, and way less time consuming.

So, it's fair to say that by 2011 standards you were pushing the envelope and could have been considered a "cloud chaser" (again by a 2011 standard)?

I realize my response sounded snippy, i should have worded it better because i do have a GREAT deal of respect for you/what you've done for the industry, but it just seems so fashionable to attack people based on their vaping style/desire for new technology these days. I admit the 'sport' aspect of vaping is foreign to me and even slightly terrifying when i see people talking about vaping 20ml's a day and only concerned with cloud size, as the real goal (no cigs) seems to have been lost somewhere along the way, but to each their own.

I'm currently running a homebrew DNA200, so just based on that, some people would assume i'm a crazy cloud chaser when the truth is i still vape at 23.5w and go through 3ml a day MAX. Ill never use 200w, probably never use 50w(aside from preheat), but i am a pretty big fan of TC and the crazy customization options available with the 200/more modern chips.

Also, i appreciate you producing a quality product that uses 'off the shelf' coils, by all the accounts i've read, the Kabuki is a wonderful tank.

 

[WillyZee]

I bet y'all want to see the pics too


Sent via iPhone

 

[ENAUD]

I'm hoping for smaller...more compact, and ergonomic. I think a vast amount of vapers are perfectly happy at 7-12 watts, I know I cloud up my house daily in those ranges. Something like this and pocket friendly would be most welcome. A dual 14500 mod would make me happy, it could be very slim, the batteries are easy to carry being smaller. Dual 14500's would carry roughly the energy potential of a single 18490. A mod like that could be tiny.

 

[USMCotaku]

I get so tired of hearing people talk down about vaping styles.....on both sides of the spectrum.


Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping

 

[raitizz]

I bet y'all want to see the pics too


Sent via iPhone

Photoshopped.

R

 

[Zen~]

Well, I haven't seen anyone stomping their feet.

Metaphorically...

As to the end of their reign, it could be argued that this has already happened, but this is not the thread for that, nor does it mean they couldn't reign once more. Many are hoping for that.

I don't actually agree with this... I mentioned the other day that there seems to be two paths in vaping. I believe ProVape is, and will continue to be the premier manufacturer on the "quit smoking" path... and they NEVER were king of the high power path.

I didn't see anyone officially state it would have more power, but perhaps I missed that.

I could have sworn I saw it from Vape 360, and I am obviously mistaken because I just combed the thread and cannot find it... That being said, it may have been wishful thinking because I can't imagine them introducing a new device that isn't at least SOME bump in power, because as many have stated (including myself) that it's certainly something they can do with the batteries available in the marketplace today.

I don't recall folks complaining that it wouldn't be enough, but I have read folks complaining that it will probably be too much.

There have been quite a few mentions that unless it's at least 50 watts, they wouldn't purchase a new device from ProVape.

This would be SO much easier if Vape360 would just post a few more hints instead of making Willy Z do it...

Can we stop the whole tootlepuffers vs powermongers undertones now and acknowledge the following:

1) Some people want a little more power
2) Some people want a LOT more power
3) Some people wouldn't care if it actually had LESS power
4) Some people are fine with the same amount of power
5) Some people just want a new toy
6) Somebody isn't going to get what they want

I want a new toy... there, I said it.

MORE HINTS ARE NEEDED.... THE VILLAGERS ARE FIGHTING AMONG THEMSELVES AND NEXT THING YA KNOW.... ANGRY MOB

Just say no to Angry Mobs....

 

[AstroTurf]

This is what I want...

This is what I need!!!

Powah... Unlimited POWAH!!!




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[Zen~]

So, it's fair to say that by 2011 standards you were pushing the envelope and could have been considered a "cloud chaser" (again by a 2011 standard)?

Not really... more vapor wasn't really the goal... I just wanted something that worked every time I pushed the button. Early devices REALLY were unreliable.

I realize my response sounded snippy, i should have worded it better because i do have a GREAT deal of respect for you/what you've done for the industry.

I appreciate that, but I didn't see your response as being snippy, it was actually a pretty valid question. Vaping is evolving, and will continue to do so... and in that process, the manufacturers need to make devices that fill a specific need when there is actually market pull for that bit of technology. That does NOT mean that everybody should dogpile in and everybody make the same thing! How many manufacturers of mega-high-watt devices does there actually need to be?

Back when I commercialized the Genesis style atty (others made them before me, they just didn't produce them in sufficient numbers to make them available outside of Europe) I saw a need... nothing worked well... and I thought the genny was a way to solve that. But the cold reality was that NOTHING worked well... at all.

I've said this many times, and It still holds true.... nearly EVERY DEVICE ON THE MARKET TODAY is better than EVERY device that was on the market 5 years ago... We made rebuildables back then because WE HAD TO.

but it just seems so fashionable to attack people based on their vaping style/desire for new technology these days.

I see what you're saying, and I'll be the first to admit I have done that, and probably will continue to do that for a while to come, but I look forward to the time when I don't have to. It doesn't make me happy to do it.

I'll tell you why... because quitting smoking isn't a sport, and I want to make sure that we can continue to have an industry that provides the ability to help people quit smoking. Cloud Antics have brought a LOT of attention to vaping, and it doesn't help our case for using vaping as Tobacco Harm Reduction. With enough of the monster nuisance clouds drawing attention away from the cause of making the switch to vaping, the elected officials will eventually just say enough is enough.

I was at a vaping convention this year where the fire alarms were going off, and the LAW in their county states that EVERY TIME a fire alarm in a hotel goes off... the first responders must answer the call. This is a complete nuisance... and each time the alarm sounded... the cloud blowers cheered. THIS is why I am angry at the lot of them.... They cheered as a fire department had to waste resources to answer the call... and when one firefighter HEARD one of the cheers, I heard him say... "These people are sick"... and I had to agree with him.... and when he said "these people" he was talking about ALL of us, because in his perception, there is no difference between somebody there to celebrate being a non-smoker and somebody there to find joy in creating a false alarm.

And I am not saying that EVERY high power vaper behaves this way, in fact, most do not. So if I make a statement about High Power vapers that doesn't represent you in any way, then understand I'm not talking about you... I'm talking about the abusive ones that ruin it for everybody, including you... so please don't be mad at me... be mad at them for making it hard on all of us.

And if your baseball lands in my yard, I WILL give it back... just saying.

I admit the 'sport' aspect of vaping is foreign to me and even slightly terrifying when i see people talking about vaping 20ml's a day and only concerned with cloud size, as the real goal (no cigs) seems to have been lost somewhere along the way, but to each their own.

I'm currently running a homebrew DNA200, so just based on that, some people would assume i'm a crazy cloud chaser when the truth is i still vape at 23.5w and go through 3ml a day MAX. Ill never use 200w, probably never use 50w(aside from preheat), but i am a pretty big fan of TC and the crazy customization options available with the 200/more modern chips.

Also, i appreciate you producing a quality product that uses 'off the shelf' coils, by all the accounts i've read, the Kabuki is a wonderful tank.

Hey, it's all good... You're a vaper just like I am... we're in this together.

 

[oplholik]

Since Willy got a special PM this morning from me, with all the details, what do you all say we let him tell us more

Passes microphone to WillyZee......

Did you drop the microphone, man?

 

[Zen~]

Did you drop the microphone, man?

Of course he did... If Vape360 is about ANYTHING, it's Drama...

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

I was at a vaping convention this year where the fire alarms were going off, and the LAW in their county states that EVERY TIME a fire alarm in a hotel goes off... the first responders must answer the call. This is a complete nuisance... and each time the alarm sounded... the cloud blowers cheered. THIS is why I am angry at the lot of them.... They cheered as a fire department had to waste resources to answer the call... and when one firefighter HEARD one of the cheers, I heard him say... "These people are sick"... and I had to agree with him.... and when he said "these people" he was talking about ALL of us, because in his perception, there is no difference between somebody there to celebrate being a non-smoker and somebody there to find joy in creating a false alarm.

And I am not saying that EVERY high power vaper behaves this way, in fact, most do not. So if I make a statement about High Power vapers that doesn't represent you in any way, then understand I'm not talking about you... I'm talking about the abusive ones that ruin it for everybody, including you... so please don't be mad at me... be mad at them for making it hard on all of us.

That's just ridiculous. Like they say, you can't fix stupid and anyone who takes pleasure in wasting the time of people who risk their lives trying to protect/save ours, is most certainly an idiot.

And if your baseball lands in my yard, I WILL give it back... just saying.

For some reason when i read this my brain immediately went here:

Hey, it's all good... You're a vaper just like I am... we're in this together.

Seems we're pretty much on the same page, let us make peace with the vapers secret handshake...

*EDIT* Still pretty interested in what Provape has up their sleeve.

 

[440BB]

I bet y'all want to see the pics too
Sent via iPhone

No need to post them. I believe there's a setting in the mind reading menu that allows the Radius to project it's image into the mind of anybody that wants to see it, if they truly believe.

The new mind control feature supercedes both temp control and power issues. The Radius will simply guide you to thinking you have the perfect temperature, unlimited power and complete happiness.

All with one beautiful button.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm still holding out for a cigalike or PV-2...

 

[dhaiken]

Yep, if you're talking about me.
I was going to hold out until after it had been out for a while and all the bugs worked out. Nope, had to jump on it.

I am super curious about this one. I am going to try to hold out this time




for sure



I really mean it this time



*sigh*

Yeah right! Me too.
And of course I was talking about you.