Official ProVari Radius Thread

[AstroTurf]

ProVape went Voltage absent on the Radius. No Variable Voltage adjustment, no voltage applied to the atty and no remaining battery voltage. It is what keeps me from adding it to the cart. Luckily it could be changed with a future software update. Now if they would only do it. I really want one but not without variable voltage, etc. Meanwhile the Provi "tubes" are doing just fine. But I really want a Radius.

I agree with this!!!

ProVape... Don't reduce features... Enhance Them!!!

 

[HandsomeStan]

It's probably a display preference more than anything. I once owned a Mercedes that was never intended for the US market and the speedometer had KM/H and no MPH and it was a really hard transition for me to wrap my head around. For quite a while I drove around well below the speed limit as I guessed how many MPH I was actually going. I eventually worked my way through all the conversions.

I don't have the same issues with the radius, because I have always vaped to the experience, and not crippled by having to know the numbers, and I also feel everybody else should as well. Nobody is going to hand out citations for vaping above or below a limit.

I could turn the whole display off and never turn it back on, and still have a great vape, so watts, volts, whatever. I wish they would do away with both and have it go from 1-10 with 10 being all the way up, and 1 being all the way down. I'd probably be vaping at "3". But to me, it sure doesn't matter.

For my use... I would never let the display metrics get in the way of owning such a wonderful device.

But c'mon Zen 1-10? it would have to go up to 11!

 

[rbrylawski]

It's probably a display preference more than anything. I once owned a Mercedes that was never intended for the US market and the speedometer had KM/H and no MPH and it was a really hard transition for me to wrap my head around. For quite a while I drove around well below the speed limit as I guessed how many MPH I was actually going. I eventually worked my way through all the conversions.

I don't have the same issues with the radius, because I have always vaped to the experience, and not crippled by having to know the numbers, and I also feel everybody else should as well. Nobody is going to hand out citations for vaping above or below a limit.

I could turn the whole display off and never turn it back on, and still have a great vape, so watts, volts, whatever. I wish they would do away with both and have it go from 1-10 with 10 being all the way up, and 1 being all the way down. I'd probably be vaping at "3". But to me, it sure doesn't matter.

For my use... I would never let the display metrics get in the way of owning such a wonderful device.

You said it much more directly, but was kind of my point! And the 1 - 10 scale would be just fine with me. I too would likely be at 3. I'm a tootle puffer for sure!

 

[AstroTurf]

This idea of a 1-10 scale amuses me...

I want to be able to dial in more than just an acceptable vape. It has to be perfect!!!

I want to be able to adjust in .2 increments.

Just my thought, Jim

 

[JD53]

Only once Ping. I overfilled the Kabuki and I then let it sit overnight before vaping and it was gurgly in the morning, just until I vaped it long enough to create the vacuum it needs.



My pea-sized brain just doesn't get what difference a variable voltage device makes over a variable wattage device. Wouldn't it be true (I'm sure JohnDo will pipe in an correct me if I'm wrong) but if you adjust the volts, the wattage changes and conversely, if you adjust the watts, the volts change. Aren't they corresponding in all situations? What I do know is even on my P3, I moved from adjusting volts to adjusting watts, so transitioning to the Radius with watts only wasn't an issue for me.

Simply, if you adjust the volts, that is the voltage you get, regardless of the atty Ω's. (If the device can do it) If you adjust watts, the device has to read the Ω of the atty and it decides what voltage to apply. I would rather be able to select (and lock in) the voltage myself. The earlier Provari's all have variable voltage. The Classic and P3 have both. The Radius only has varaiable wattage. I like would to at least like to see what voltage the Radius is applying to the atty, like the P3. Actual battery voltage tells me more than estimated power available. Sort of like my car's gas gauge. It has estimated range but the actual gas gauge tells me what is really in the tank. Don't get me wrong,, I love the Radius, but I want more features, not less.

 

[rbrylawski]

This idea of a 1-10 scale amuses me...

I want to be able to dial in more than just an acceptable vape. It has to be perfect!!!

I want to be able to adjust in .2 increments.

Just my thought, Jim

Would it really matter? Or do you fiddle with adjustments often? I tend to set it and rarely if ever adjust it once set. I honestly don't need or really care about micro-adjustments. But I certainly don't object to having the ability to do so.......

 

[Zen~]

But c'mon Zen 1-10? it would have to go up to 11!

Fair enough, you got me there... that's one more, innit?

I'm much more concerned that my FAVORITE burrito shop... IN THE WORLD.... is closing next Wednesday. I'm currently doing an analysis of the benefits of buying a small chest freezer, a vacuum sealer and 200 grilled chicken/carnitas/chorizo/black bean burritos so I won't die. And I'll own more Burritos than ProVaris.

It's looking like Stacie and I will be able to have one burrito each week for the next two years for the low low price of $1787.00... Including electricity for the freezer.

This idea of a 1-10 scale amuses me...

I want to be able to dial in more than just an acceptable vape. It has to be perfect!!!

I want to be able to adjust in .2 increments.

Just my thought, Jim

Yeah, so... I'm not saying it only has 10 settings... My TV goes from bottom to top without integers... that's what I want. you know, kinda like that battery bar that doesn't tell me how many volts my battery is at. I wonder if I'm the most technologically advanced Luddite that ever lived?

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

But c'mon Zen 1-10? it would have to go up to 11!

My go-to guitar amp is probably to guitar amps what ProVape is to mods (engineered and made in Germany, built like a tank) and it has no numerical markings next to the control knobs. I just dial in what sounds right to my ears, crank it and shred to my heart's content.

 

[scotdc]

Simply, if you adjust the volts, that is the voltage you get, regardless of the atty Ω's. (If the device can do it) If you adjust watts, the device has to read the Ω of the atty and it decides what voltage to apply. I would rather be able to select (and lock in) the voltage myself. The earlier Provari's all have variable voltage. The Classic and P3 have both. The Radius only has varaiable wattage. I like would to at least like to see what voltage the Radius is applying to the atty, like the P3. Actual battery voltage tells me more than estimated power available. Sort of like my car's gas gauge. It has estimated range but the actual gas gauge tells me what is really in the tank. Don't get me wrong,, I love the Radius, but I want more features, not less.

Actually, it's just the opposite. Variable voltage will deliver the same amount of power without reading the atty, and the volts will remain constant throughout the day.

VW reads the atty to deliver the same wattage regardless of fluctuations in the atty's ohm reading, which gives the user the same vape experience all day long. That's why Provape upgraded to this technology with the P3, it's a step forward not a step back.

There's a nice post by @BiffRocko on this forum that goes into greater detail.

 

[JohnD0406]

My pea-sized brain just doesn't get what difference a variable voltage device makes over a variable wattage device.

With variable voltage, YOU have to calculate the wattage in order to set the voltage. For someone like me who changes atty's often, that's a pain in the ..... Some people still like using variable voltage though.

I do see the point of not removing features. Keep VV/VW a menu selection item, and the +/- buttons could adjust either one. The programming was already done, why not just keep it? Also, my tech-head likes to see information, whether anyone (including the manufacturer) thinks it's useful or not, so P3 display would be nice.

Even better, I still don't understand why a vertical device has a horizontal display. With the DNA boards' long thin screens, maybe there's no choice, but with the P3/Radius' more square screen, there's room to be a little more creative. I did study a bit about GUI design on my own, just out of interest (which I actually apply today with custom apps for encoding/transcoding), and anytime you need to start drawing lines to differentiate the sections of a display, not only are you wasting real estate and cramping the display, but it's time to go back to the drawing board. Sorry guys, but I think that display could be done a whole lot better... Maybe I'll offer up some mock-up display ideas and post them here for everyone to comment. First, to find the time!

Wouldn't it be true (I'm sure JohnDo will pipe in an correct me if I'm wrong) but if you adjust the volts, the wattage changes and conversely, if you adjust the watts, the volts change. Aren't they corresponding in all situations?

Yep - you got it.

 

[Bronze]

It's probably a display preference more than anything. I once owned a Mercedes that was never intended for the US market and the speedometer had KM/H and no MPH and it was a really hard transition for me to wrap my head around. For quite a while I drove around well below the speed limit as I guessed how many MPH I was actually going. I eventually worked my way through all the conversions.

I'd definitely have a bunch of little stickers on my speedometer telling me what MPH was.

 

[JD53]

It's probably a display preference more than anything. I once owned a Mercedes that was never intended for the US market and the speedometer had KM/H and no MPH and it was a really hard transition for me to wrap my head around. For quite a while I drove around well below the speed limit as I guessed how many MPH I was actually going. I eventually worked my way through all the conversions.

I don't have the same issues with the radius, because I have always vaped to the experience, and not crippled by having to know the numbers, and I also feel everybody else should as well. Nobody is going to hand out citations for vaping above or below a limit.

I could turn the whole display off and never turn it back on, and still have a great vape, so watts, volts, whatever. I wish they would do away with both and have it go from 1-10 with 10 being all the way up, and 1 being all the way down. I'd probably be vaping at "3". But to me, it sure doesn't matter.

For my use... I would never let the display metrics get in the way of owning such a wonderful device.

It really doesn't have to do with the display. It is operational. I prefer to select the voltage myself and not have to rely on the device to base the voltage on its reading of the atty Ω. I use Provari 2.5's. They don't show a "display". If my vape is weak I bump up the voltage. If its too strong I reduce it. And then I vape, with no display showing. When I push the button I know the voltage hitting the coil is what I selected, not what the device decides to provide. I don't worry about the numbers if I set them myself. And I do miss the battery voltage. I would miss an actual gas gauge in my car. I know it says I should have "x" range available, but the gauge tells me just how much gas is left in the tank. Less automatic is more to my liking. Don't get me wrong, I love the Radius! I just want to have a similar feature set to other Provari's. The software in the Radius is just missing a few things for me. Maybe in a future update. Cheers

 

[Bronze]

The large majority of vapers still have no clue what volts, amps, ohms, or watts are. And they don't want to know. A 1 - 10 scale would work for them perfectly. These metrics are important to e-cig geeks like us but we remain in the minority.

 

[JD53]

With variable voltage, YOU have to calculate the wattage in order to set the voltage. For someone like me who changes atty's often, that's a pain in the ..... Some people still like using variable voltage though.

I do see the point of not removing features. Keep VV/VW a menu selection item, and the +/- buttons could adjust either one. The programming was already done, why not just keep it? Also, my tech-head likes to see information, whether anyone (including the manufacturer) thinks it's useful or not, so P3 display would be nice.

Even better, I still don't understand why a vertical device has a horizontal display. With the DNA boards' long thin screens, maybe there's no choice, but with the P3/Radius' more square screen, there's room to be a little more creative. I did study a bit about GUI design on my own, just out of interest (which I actually apply today with custom apps for encoding/transcoding), and anytime you need to start drawing lines to differentiate the sections of a display, not only are you wasting real estate and cramping the display, but it's time to go back to the drawing board. Sorry guys, but I think that display could be done a whole lot better... Maybe I'll offer up some mock-up display ideas and post them here for everyone to comment. First, to find the time!



Yep - you got it.

Actually you don't have to calculate anything. Start with your voltage setting low and increase it till you're happy. You are done. No worries about misreading the atty or the device going crazy. When I use VW, I still seem to have to adjust wattage when I switch atty's. Cheers

 

[JD53]

Only once Ping. I overfilled the Kabuki and I then let it sit overnight before vaping and it was gurgly in the morning, just until I vaped it long enough to create the vacuum it needs.



My pea-sized brain just doesn't get what difference a variable voltage device makes over a variable wattage device. Wouldn't it be true (I'm sure JohnDo will pipe in an correct me if I'm wrong) but if you adjust the volts, the wattage changes and conversely, if you adjust the watts, the volts change. Aren't they corresponding in all situations? What I do know is even on my P3, I moved from adjusting volts to adjusting watts, so transitioning to the Radius with watts only wasn't an issue for me.

If you adjust the volts, you change the resulting wattage. The voltage stays at your setting.
If you adjust by watts, the DEVICE changes the voltage based on its ability to read the atty Ω. Cheers.

 

[Dconnor]

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Thank you

 

[jwbnyc]

Just got my Radius. Nice & it's great on a dual coil dripper.
I don't like the Check All/Status screen, I prefer the P3 screen.
There is no more voltage. I would prefer at least voltage status.
The Radius Protective Silicon Sleeve a bit loose. It's not perfect fit. It's slightly taller.

The silicone sleeve has a lip that runs around the top and bottom edges to provide a good fit without being a PITA to get on and off imo.

I too miss the ability to read voltage.

 

[JD53]

The large majority of vapers still have no clue what volts, amps, ohms, or watts are. And they don't want to know. A 1 - 10 scale would work for them perfectly. These metrics are important to e-cig geeks like us but we remain in the minority.

The Provari 2.5 already has it except instead of 1 - 10, its 2.9 - 6.0. Cheers

 

[jwbnyc]

It's here
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Looks fantastic!

Where did you get those drip tips, if I may ask?

 

[rbrylawski]

If you adjust the volts, you change the resulting wattage. The voltage stays at your setting.
If you adjust by watts, the DEVICE changes the voltage based on its ability to read the atty Ω. Cheers.

OK....not arguing here, but that is bad why? I guess I'm one of those who just wants to get a satisfying vape and not fiddle with adjustments very much, if at all.