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It's probably a display preference more than anything. I once owned a Mercedes that was never intended for the US market and the speedometer had KM/H and no MPH and it was a really hard transition for me to wrap my head around. For quite a while I drove around well below the speed limit as I guessed how many MPH I was actually going. I eventually worked my way through all the conversions.

I don't have the same issues with the radius, because I have always vaped to the experience, and not crippled by having to know the numbers, and I also feel everybody else should as well. Nobody is going to hand out citations for vaping above or below a limit.

I could turn the whole display off and never turn it back on, and still have a great vape, so watts, volts, whatever. I wish they would do away with both and have it go from 1-10 with 10 being all the way up, and 1 being all the way down. I'd probably be vaping at "3". But to me, it sure doesn't matter.

For my use... I would never let the display metrics get in the way of owning such a wonderful device.

For me, it's having a firm understanding of how much juice is left in the battery, and how much drop there is, which is an indication of whether, or not, the device needs some maintenance.

Having said that, getting used to wattage only vaping isn't particularly a problem.

I just find knowing the battery voltage, and being able to set voltage, is a useful feature for me to have, more useful than a battery meter and wattage.

And I do vape with the display off btw.
 

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Actually, it's just the opposite. Variable voltage will deliver the same amount of power without reading the atty, and the volts will remain constant throughout the day.

VW reads the atty to deliver the same wattage regardless of fluctuations in the atty's ohm reading, which gives the user the same vape experience all day long. That's why Provape upgraded to this technology with the P3, it's a step forward not a step back.

There's a nice post by @BiffRocko on this forum that goes into greater detail.
Actually, Variable Voltage will deliver the same VOLTAGE regardless of the atty, and voltage will remain constant.
Wattage is determined by the current (amperage) flowing thru the coil. Amperage multiplied by Voltage = Wattage. Cheers!
 
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OK....not arguing here, but that is bad why? I guess I'm one of those who just wants to get a satisfying vape and not fiddle with adjustments very much, if at all.
I just prefer to take adjustment out of "the hands of the machine". I don't like to fiddle either. I start low and bump it up till I'm happy. In Variable Voltage, I don't have to worry about wonky atty readings. I don't have to worry about atty readings at all. Cheers!
 

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The large majority of vapers still have no clue what volts, amps, ohms, or watts are. And they don't want to know. A 1 - 10 scale would work for them perfectly. These metrics are important to e-cig geeks like us but we remain in the minority.
The other provari's have a 2.9 to 6.0 scale that works perfectly. Simple! Cheers!
 

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Looks fantastic!

Where did you get those drip tips, if I may ask?
Thank you - they are both Vape Time Inc drip tips. I got them from Creme de Vape in the UK. One is a 'poquito' and the other is a 'bullet'.
OK....not arguing here, but that is bad why? I guess I'm one of those who just wants to get a satisfying vape and not fiddle with adjustments very much, if at all.
Me too :thumb:
More pics - with kayfun 510 & merkava ( I used a flash for these - the white is more like the other picture, not as bright as it looks here)
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ProVape went Voltage absent on the Radius. No Variable Voltage adjustment, no voltage applied to the atty and no remaining battery voltage. It is what keeps me from adding it to the cart. Luckily it could be changed with a future software update. Now if they would only do it. I really want one but not without variable voltage, etc. Meanwhile the Provi "tubes" are doing just fine. But I really want a Radius.

I feel the same way, and without a volts setting, I will not be buying one.

It's probably a display preference more than anything. I once owned a Mercedes that was never intended for the US market and the speedometer had KM/H and no MPH and it was a really hard transition for me to wrap my head around. For quite a while I drove around well below the speed limit as I guessed how many MPH I was actually going. I eventually worked my way through all the conversions.

I don't have the same issues with the radius, because I have always vaped to the experience, and not crippled by having to know the numbers, and I also feel everybody else should as well. Nobody is going to hand out citations for vaping above or below a limit.

I could turn the whole display off and never turn it back on, and still have a great vape, so watts, volts, whatever. I wish they would do away with both and have it go from 1-10 with 10 being all the way up, and 1 being all the way down. I'd probably be vaping at "3". But to me, it sure doesn't matter.

For my use... I would never let the display metrics get in the way of owning such a wonderful device.

Respectfully, I'll decide what I will like or not, thank you. I choose to stay in volt mode because with all the different atomizers I use, I have become accustomed to my preferred settings on them. I have several devices that do both, and I never could wrap my head around the watt thing, and I didn't need to because I could just set the device to volt mode. It's not like I need another device at this point, it would be yet another luxury purchase. I know it would bug me not having a voltage setting, so why set myself up for that?
 

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Would it really matter? Or do you fiddle with adjustments often? I tend to set it and rarely if ever adjust it once set. I honestly don't need or really care about micro-adjustments. But I certainly don't object to having the ability to do so.......
How many different types and setups of atomizers are you using on a regular basis?
 

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How many different types and setups of atomizers are you using on a regular basis?

For me, not that many. Kabuki's and KFL+. I just build coils that are about the same resistance as my Kabuki's. Makes life ever so much simpler. I'm into simple. Yes I am!

Smoking was simple. Horrendous for us, but simple none-the-less. Open pack. Take out stinky. Put in lips. Light the end. Inhale. Repeat, repeat, repeat. The experience was pretty much the same smoke after smoke.

I guess when it comes to vaping, I want the experience to also be simple, not require an advanced degree in mathematics or engineering. Just provide a consistent, satisfying vape over and over and over. I'm kind 'a simple that way.
 

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Actually, it's just the opposite. Variable voltage will deliver the same amount of power without reading the atty, and the volts will remain constant throughout the day.

VW reads the atty to deliver the same wattage regardless of fluctuations in the atty's ohm reading, which gives the user the same vape experience all day long. That's why Provape upgraded to this technology with the P3, it's a step forward not a step back.

There's a nice post by @BiffRocko on this forum that goes into greater detail.
That (emphasized by me in red) is incorrect. Voltage is NOT power. Watts is power. Your emphasized statement is only true if the atty resistance is constant. And this whole argument is only really relevant with changing atty resistance (for whatever reason).
 

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Actually, Variable Voltage will deliver the same VOLTAGE regardless of the atty, and voltage will remain constant.
Wattage is determined by the current (amperage) flowing thru the coil. Amperage multiplied by Voltage = Wattage. Cheers!

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For me, not that many. Kabuki's and KFL+. I just build coils that are about the same resistance as my Kabuki's. Makes life ever so much simpler. I'm into simple. Yes I am!

Smoking was simple. Horrendous for us, but simple none-the-less. Open pack. Take out stinky. Put in lips. Light the end. Inhale. Repeat, repeat, repeat. The experience was pretty much the same smoke after smoke.

I guess when it comes to vaping, I want the experience to also be simple, not require an advanced degree in mathematics or engineering. Just provide a consistent, satisfying vape over and over and over. I'm kind 'a simple that way.
I want it simple too. My favorite device is a 2.5 Ti. I bought it because I liked my stainless 2.5 so much. This was the first 2.5 with a P3 connector and oh yeah, it was Titanium. $269.95 + $15 for a Blue LED and $19.95 for an extension tube. It was so good I bought a second one. Now they cost $129.95. I don't really care. No real display unless you access the menu. Super simple, super reliable. Put a Kayfun4 or a Kabuki on top and its there. And I personally dig the Blue LED over the Oled.
I don't apologize for College or electronics training. But I do like to know what's going on, how something works. Its not a crippling position. So, I simply put juice in an atty, start the voltage low and bump it up till I'm happy. When the fire button flashes, I change the battery. When the juice gets low, I put more in. I adjust only if the experiece changes. Simple.
 

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Thank you - they are both Vape Time Inc drip tips. I got them from Creme de Vape in the UK. One is a 'poquito' and the other is a 'bullet'.

Me too :thumb:
More pics - with kayfun 510 & merkava ( I used a flash for these - the white is more like the other picture, not as bright as it looks here)
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Looking good! Someone earlier posted a pic of the LEDs glowing through the Radius in a dark environment. Do you see much LED glow though the Ghost Radius in normal lighten conditions? Any chance of getting a picture of it?
 

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Actually you don't have to calculate anything. Start with your voltage setting low and increase it till you're happy. You are done. No worries about misreading the atty or the device going crazy. When I use VW, I still seem to have to adjust wattage when I switch atty's. Cheers
Your reasoning is flawed. Using VV or VW you can similarly start at a low setting and increase it until it vapes the way you want. You don't HAVE to calculate watts. You can treat it like Zen's arbitrary 1-10 scale except in the case of the Radius it is an arbitrary 1-40 scale.

Although you are technically correct in that different atty's will deliver a somewhat different vape with the same wattage setting, it can be easily demonstrated that wattage is a far superior proxy for what you look for in a vape, as opposed to volts. Watts equals power and for the most part the same power applied to a coil generates the same amount of heat and approximately the same amount of vapor, to the extent that different atty's can be said to behave similarly.

The biggest variance among atty behavior as a function of watts (power) is probably the number of coils. If you vape a single coil atty at 10 watts and then change to a dual coil atty at 10 watts, you have reduced the power applied to each coil to 5 watts and that will substantially change the vape. But the controlling variable is still watts- across each coil.

Volts has no predictive value whatsoever (unless coil resistance is unchanged). Put 5 volts across a 2 ohm coil and it will behave totally differently than 5 volts across a .3 ohm coil. The 2 ohm coil will deliver 12.5 watts, the 0.3 ohm coil 83 watts!

Put another way.... if you hand me an atty without telling me the resistance I can have no idea whatsoever where to set a starting voltage (other than "really low just to be safe"). However, if you tell me how many coils it has, then I can decide a reasonable starting value in terms of watts per coil. I will probably have to tweak it to preference based on the characteristics of that atty and coil build, but I know that 10 watts (for example) will get me very close to what I like. And it should not burn out the coil, for example, or make the vape "go crazy". If I put 5 volts across an unknown coil, it may go crazy (it could try to fire at 83 watts per my prior example!).

The people that insist on VV are probably either using only a single coil resistance, or a very limited selection, and they have dialed in their preferences for the resistances they use. They could do the same with Zen's 0-10 scale, and it has just about as much meaning in the broad scheme of things. They are also not pushing their VV Provaris and are not running into constant over limit errors as they adjust coil resistance and try to find the voltage boundary that results in whatever wattage their particular sample allows (and I understand that varies from sample to sample). Nor are they using a calculator to back into volts and then back further into the 14W (or whatever it really is) limit. Personally once I got a VW device I never looked back. If only for that reason. And since I build my own coils and have a lot of atty's I have a wide spread of resistances to deal with.

Although I think Provape did the right thing from an engineering viewpoint, I think it was a poor decision from a marketing viewpoint. That because no matter how much logic and reasoning and ohms law is thrown at this debate, a certain number of people here will not buy a Radius without VV. Even if VV makes no sense as a preferred setting strategy from a technical viewpoint. As a software developer I learned that lesson at least 20 years ago- being technically correct is rather meaningless in the world of commerce. On the other hand, it is very obvious to me that Provape is a 99% engineering driven company, and about 1% marketing driven. And that is what makes them different. They would not be what they are if they were marketing driven. They would be like every other mod company, selling 200 watt box mods for $50 or less.
 
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I want it simple too. My favorite device is a 2.5 Ti. I bought it because I liked my stainless 2.5 so much. This was the first 2.5 with a P3 connector and oh yeah, it was Titanium. $269.95 + $15 for a Blue LED and $19.95 for an extension tube. It was so good I bought a second one. Now they cost $129.95. I don't really care. No real display unless you access the menu. Super simple, super reliable. Put a Kayfun4 or a Kabuki on top and its there. And I personally dig the Blue LED over the Oled.
I don't apologize for College or electronics training. But I do like to know what's going on, how something works. Its not a crippling position. So, I simply put juice in an atty, start the voltage low and bump it up till I'm happy. When the fire button flashes, I change the battery. When the juice gets low, I put more in. I adjust only if the experiece changes. Simple.

Based on this, I'm not sure what your issue is with VW as opposed to VV. If all you do is notch it up until you get the vape you want, seems either system would be equally simple. No?
 

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Looking good! Someone earlier posted a pic of the LEDs glowing through the Radius in a dark environment. Do you see much LED glow though the Ghost Radius in normal lighten conditions? Any chance of getting a picture of it?
It's evening here - under a normal light bulb - so yes, quite a bit.
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It's evening here - under a normal light bulb - so yes, quite a bit.
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That is the goofy reason i am tempted by the ghostie, that effect right there.

Is that the merkavas @kates ? Its a good looking combo

Still loving the cabarnet and the onyx, brilliant they are :)
 
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