Official ProVari Radius Thread

[SeniorBoy]

Provape is still a business and the 25r is still an exceptional battery. Saving 2 dollars per device sold adds up quickly. Say they sell 30,000 this year. That's an extra 60,000 dollars. Close to two employees salaries. Provape is all about safety, but they also aren't dumb.

I could also respectfully argue your point from another perspective. As pointed out, they have extensively tested the 25R including torture and venting. They have retained all that data. We live in a litigious society so in the event that someone sues them for something related to the 25R either directly or indirectly, they have mountains of valuable data to present in their defense. Not to mention, the 25R is already installed in a new device. In this case, 60K is chump change when compared to a million dollar judgment. I'm not an attorney but that's the way "smart" companies usually think: What can we do to mitigate a law suit. At least, that's the way I always viewed certain issues when I was self employed.

 

[kates]

Heads up for those in the UK, Cremedevape (formerly C9V Cloud 9 vaping) have ordered them in expected retail price of £170, which after importing it yourself, cutoms etc works out about the same.

Also Keith is a legend, you cannot find a more helpful and caring vendor, Ill be happy to send my cash his way, any issues (highly unlikely with a provari, but you never know) he wont hesitate to sort it out!

Site is temporairily closed for maintenence, be back up with a product page tomorrow.

Went to look today and saw they were down until tomorrow - assumed they'd have them which is really good news. (+1 on their customer service).

 

[nebulis]

... that's the way "smart" companies usually think: What can we do to mitigate a law suit. .

This is also what Tim of Provape talked about in the Plume video. In general, but this includes batteries.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

I could also respectfully argue your point from another perspective. As pointed out, they have extensively tested the 25R including torture and venting. They have retained all that data. We live in a litigious society so in the event that someone sues them for something related to the R25 either directly or indirectly, they have mountains of valuable data to present in their defense. Not to mention, the 25R is already installed in a new device. In this case, 60K is chump change when compared to a million dollar judgment. I'm not an attorney but that's the way "smart" companies usually think: What can we do to mitigate a law suit. At least, that's the way I always viewed certain issues when I was self employed.

Your though process is great, but their 9.5amp cap makes all of these batteries harmless. Catastrophe happens when you tax the battery and at the max amperage none of the batteries on the market will get even close to stressed. Heck, they all use the exact same chemistry. By all I mean Sony, Lg, Samsung high drains. I guess we will find out in a few weeks as I have 4 brand new Hg2 to compare with the 25r. The counter baked into the radius chip will make it an easy experiment as well.

 

[GregBG]

Went to look today and saw they were down until tomorrow - assumed they'd have them which is really good news. (+1 on their customer service).

Well I hope Keith & Lisa don't get them in before mine arrives

 

[Train2]

It is a valid point.
We know they're both good batteries, and it's feasible that ProVape would decide to get the less expensive one, as long as they were pretty sure it would LAST A FULL DAY OF VAPING under almost any use scenario. I hope. If the lower Mah of a Samsung meant that a bunch of folks would only get 5 hours of use before needing 3 hours of charging - then they'd absorb the extra cost. But if the Samsung lasts "plenty long for almost anybody" and fits their "just charge it daily" expectation, then it could be a decision influenced by cost.

At least it's a well-known, respected battery - heck, up until about 3 weeks ago, it was the best I'd found (for me - I don't need 30 amps).

Your though process is great, but their 9.5amp cap makes all of these batteries harmless. Catastrophe happens when you tax the battery and at the max amperage none of the batteries on the market will get even close to stressed. Heck, they all use the exact same chemistry. By all I mean Sony, Lg, Samsung high drains. I guess we will find out in a few weeks as I have 4 brand new Hg2 to compare with the 25r. The counter baked into the radius chip will make it an easy experiment as well.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

It is a valid point.
We know they're both good batteries, and it's feasible that ProVape would decide to get the less expensive one, as long as they were pretty sure it would LAST A FULL DAY OF VAPING under almost any use scenario. I hope. If the lower Mah of a Samsung meant that a bunch of folks would only get 5 hours of use before needing 3 hours of charging - then they'd absorb the extra cost. But if the Samsung lasts "plenty long for almost anybody" and fits their "just charge it daily" expectation, then it could be a decision influenced by cost.

At least it's a well-known, respected battery - heck, up until about 3 weeks ago, it was the best I'd found (for me - I don't need 30 amps).

No doubt. Both should last a day around 20 watts. In no way am I calling the 25r a bad battery. They're great. They are built for higher amps than the 3000 mah batteries are. They just don't last as long at lower amps. Hell, im happy that Provape is including a battery. lol

 

[jwbnyc]

I will easily get a day and a half out of the sammy.

 

[Zen~]

Zen, in your opinion is there any advantage in upgrading the battery in the Radius over what comes pre-loaded?

I honestly think it would be splitting hairs... the Higher MaH batteries would need to have a similar internal impedance to have the same run-time... if it's higher impedance, the "larger" battery may actually have less run time.

I know a lot about batteries, especially how they interact with devices... but I'm well-aware that the guy that designed the device knows more about them than any of us, and probably more than any of us combined. He is BY FAR the best engineer in vaping. Should I trust a bunch of charts posted by a bunch of people that didn't know who Ohm was 36 months ago, or should I trust him? Should I put my faith and safety in the hands of people that loudly proclaim he's wrong, but I know he was a trusted DOD contractor when I was 10 years old, and I'm freaking old NOW?

I mean, sure... knowledge evolves... but he has proven to me time and time again that he knows more about this than I do, and I'm humbled he has SHARED so much knowledge with me, SO much, that I feel we should all feel lucky that he even bothers to work in this industry.

So... If the very best engineer in our industry says it's the best battery for the device, then I believe him.

And I don't think for a minute they wouldn't spend more if the other cells produced a better result.

I will easily get a day and a half out of the sammy.

Just put it on charge every night and never think about it again.

I now officially have dust on my desktop charger, I never thought I would see that day.

 

[jwbnyc]

That's the plan.

 

[rbrylawski]

I honestly think it would be splitting hairs... the Higher MaH batteries would need to have a similar internal impedance to have the same run-time... if it's higher impedance, the "larger" battery may actually have less run time.

I know a lot about batteries, especially how they interact with devices... but I'm well-aware that the guy that designed the device knows more about them than any of us, and probably more than any of us combined. He is BY FAR the best engineer in vaping. Should I trust a bunch of charts posted by a bunch of people that didn't know who Ohm was 36 months ago, or should I trust him? Should I put my faith and safety in the hands of people that loudly proclaim he's wrong, but I know he was a trusted DOD contractor when I was 10 years old, and I'm freaking old NOW?

I mean, sure... knowledge evolves... but he has proven to me time and time again that he knows more about this than I do, and I'm humbled he has SHARED so much knowledge with me, SO much, that I feel we should all feel lucky that he even bothers to work in this industry.

So... If the very best engineer in our industry says it's the best battery for the device, then I believe him.

And I don't think for a minute they wouldn't spend more if the other cells produced a better result.



Just put it on charge every night and never think about it again.

I now officially have dust on my desktop charger, I never thought I would see that day.

And there my friends, is all I need to know and then some. Zen approved, Provape validated. How could it get any better than that? I mean really? How? Huh?

Thank you Zen!

 

[f1vefour]

I guess we will find out in a few weeks as I have 4 brand new Hg2 to compare with the 25r. The counter baked into the radius chip will make it an easy experiment as well.

Interested to know the answer as well, but I'm confident the HG2 won't outlast a 25R by a great deal.

 

[jwbnyc]

Wow. Really? After all the battery discussion the past couple weeks? You never want to push the limits to 100%. Standard electronic design is 50%. Although the battery provided is 25A, most high-end batteries are 20A. 50% of that is 10A.

The amp limit is not at the battery - it's at the atomizer. When you work the math, assuming a 95% device efficiency, at 40W with 0.443-ohm atty, it's drawing 9.5A at the atty, and pulling 10.03A from the battery. Now remember that 50% rule? ProVape nailed it.



Can be, sure. Will it be? Not likely. One factor we don't know is how many amps their circuitry can handle safely, so it may or may not even be possible. Again, never want to push the limits - that leads to failures and unreliability.

Great post.

This is the fundamental disagreement at the root of this ongoing harangue.

Do you believe batteries can withstand max loads or do you believe that failure is not an option?

It's unfortunate that these arguments always seem to end up spiraling towards insults and bruised egos, instead of recognizing that there is no reconciling these Two diametrically opposed viewpoints.

Bookmarked for the next time this comes up.

Thanks.

Bit late but deserved an attaboy.

 

[AstroTurf]

So now that I have my radius ordered, I would like to take advantage of the p3 connector when it arrives. I have a handful of kayfun v4's but they are all 510. Does anyone know a place where I can get just the p3 bottom piece?

I've looked around online and it seems as if they are sold out, or only available from overseas, which isn't worth the shipping costs.

Any help would be appreciated!

Ebay, search ProVari. Saw some there this morning.


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[AstroTurf]

^^^ Agree...doubt we'll be told...but would still love to know how many units were sold in the first wave!


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My guess would be between 1 and 1,000,000.


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[YoursTruli]

Provape is still a business and the 25r is still an exceptional battery. Saving 2 dollars per device sold adds up quickly. Say they sell 30,000 this year. That's an extra 60,000 dollars. Close to two employees salaries. Provape is all about safety, but they also aren't dumb.

In the volume they buy batteries the cost is less per unit than buying at retail and most likely rolled into the price of the device just like every other PV that includes the battery (based on standard retailing practices) so I can't imagine the battery unit cost would be a determining factor on deciding which one to use. Tim mentioned during his interview that they do extensive testing on almost every battery that comes out on the market and they really liked the 25r. Tim also said that they did not build the device for a particular price point, so since price is based on the build I think if they liked a more expensive battery over the 25r they could easily have adjusted the price accordingly.

 

[f1vefour]

My guess would be between 1 and 1,000,000.


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My guess is 5K units, with another 5K by weeks end.

*including retail outlets of course*

 

[Kasanova]

So now that I have my radius ordered, I would like to take advantage of the p3 connector when it arrives. I have a handful of kayfun v4's but they are all 510. Does anyone know a place where I can get just the p3 bottom piece?

I've looked around online and it seems as if they are sold out, or only available from overseas, which isn't worth the shipping costs.

Any help would be appreciated!

If you go to Vaperev.com they have everything Kayfun related. That is the place I bought my Peek insulator, gold spring, P3 connector and other miscellaneous items for my Kayfuns.

 

[jwbnyc]

My guess is 5K units, with another 5K by weeks end.

I'm going big.

20,000

 

[f1vefour]

I'm going big.

20,000

I don't think they could produce that many units 4 weeks.