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A teeny tiny price to pay to carry a little flavor monster like the Kabuki!

And what a flavor monster it is! Don't even get me started on the build quality. It's as solid as the Radius itself. This may just be the be all, end all setup for flavor chasers.
 

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And what a flavor monster it is! Don't even get me started on the build quality. It's as solid as the Radius itself. This may just be the be all, end all setup for flavor chasers.

+1 and Thumbs Up too! My poor KFL+'s and Russian 91% are feeling a bit left out these days.
 

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I quite like building coils - but I see it as an occasional dalliance rather than a proper relationship :). Nice to know I can do it if I want to but not for every day. The Kabuki for me has been brilliant. No problems at all,super easy and quick to change coil & fill, a great vape and I am getting 100ml+ through a coil so pretty cost effective too.
And for me the opposite holds true. I've got so many different gauge wires. Love the fact my builds last such a long time. This is the reason I mainly got away from buying coils. The more I think about getting the Kabuki the more I think about how much I don't want to start buying coils again.


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The thing is really do like about the combo after already explaining how Kabuki is the perfect tank is the Radius has been consistently lasting me all day. I always have an extra battery, I have yet to need it. I'm vaping a 1.6 ohm cotton coil in the Kabuki at 11.8 watts with Boost 2 set, take the Radius off the charger at 8am and have 1/4 charge when I go to bet around 1am.

This combination just works. All you can ask for.
Do you vape a lot? I ask cause I've read more than a few post where people say the Radius will go a few days before needing a charge as opposed to only having a 1/4 charge left at the end of the day.


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Definitely a solid device through and through, one that can double as a self-defense item!
We've been saying this about the ProVari so (IMO) it just stands to reason Provape would bring that same exceptional build quality to the Radius.
Glad you're enjoying yours!!!


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Hi all. I leave ECF and my Provari threads for 5-6 weeks to have back surgery and I come back to find out that Provape has released a BOX MOD??? And I read and read and find that it is indeed true and it is beautiful.

And Christmas is getting near.... I will read back and get all your first impressions of how you all like the Radius. This is exciting news. I will have to start a Radius fund to save up for one.

I am still loving my Provari 2.5s and P3 but a Radius would be a great addition. Does a Russian 91% fit without any overhang? I hate how that looks on my old MVP2.
Welcome back !!!!!!!


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And for me the opposite holds true. I've got so many different gauge wires. Love the fact my builds last such a long time. This is the reason I mainly got away from buying coils. The more I think about getting the Kabuki the more I think about how much I don't want to start buying coils again.


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And that's fine. You've got to do what works best for you. If I had a tank like the Kabuki when I was so discouraged with the line of Nauty's and Kanger's that were so disappointing, I would likely have never gotten into building coils. I just love that the Kabuki, to me, tastes better, produces more vapor and takes me about 10 seconds to pop out an old coil and then pop in a new one. It makes plug and play the easiest, best vape I've had so far.
 

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Glad I wasn't around for that - I would have been sent to the corner with gum on my nose.
Let me tell you, you would've had a blast in the corner. Best seat in the house.....with some popcorn! I thoroughly enjoyed the corner until I ran out of snacks. By then it was time to jump in one of those I Hate ProVari with the rest of the ProVarinati.


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And for me the opposite holds true. I've got so many different gauge wires. Love the fact my builds last such a long time. This is the reason I mainly got away from buying coils. The more I think about getting the Kabuki the more I think about how much I don't want to start buying coils again.


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I really like building coils as well and will definitely continue building. However, the flavor that the Kabuki produces is well worth the expense of buying coils. I am sold 100% on this incredible little tank.
 

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I really like building coils as well and will definitely continue building. However, the flavor that the Kabuki produces is well worth the expense of buying coils. I am sold 100% on this incredible little tank.

Thanks for that! I appreciate it...

SO... bigger tank... I'd love to, but the original design that nobody ever saw had a larger tank, and it didn't wick well enough for thicker eliquds. Smaller tanks wick better, that's the bottom line... so I always ask, which would you rather have... flavor or capacity? If the answer is Flavor, then this is big as we get at the moment. If you want capacity... let me introduce you to the Aspire Triton... As much capacity as you would need, with 1/2 the flavor.

Yeah, if I can't have both, I opt for flavor. It's pretty easy to top off the juice when needed.
 

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I see Jim beat me to it, but 75 - 80 watts doesn't mean a thing. If you built a coil that fires well below 40 watts, chances are you'll be happier with the flavor.
I have a dark horse dripper and frankly it doesn't perform well above about .6 ohm builds. It is better with .3 ish ohms. It's not always about ohms as the chamber size and airflow are just as big of not bigger factors. It pretty much demands .3 ohm 50+ watts to counter the big chamber and high air flow.
 

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I've got a challenge for you...

Build a dripper to fire below 40 watts and also, (most important) Provide you with a superb nic hit and flavor.

Easy. Remember, volts, watts, and pretty much everything is unimportant compared to watts/mm2 and desired airflow. Design backwards from there and dial in your wattage, voltage, current, and resistance depending on the limitations of your mod.

To respond to your challenge with one of many potential builds, the one I'd go with looks like this:

3mm, 28GA, 6-wrap, dual coil = 0.65 ohms
7.6A coil draw, 37W output, 4.9V input
0.26 W/mm2 = sweet spot to increase or decrease your airflow as you see fit, but you can adjust the build to your airflow liking - something that was missing from the challenge. :)
 

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I see Jim beat me to it, but 75 - 80 watts doesn't mean a thing. If you built a coil that fires well below 40 watts, chances are you'll be happier with the flavor.

That's not actually accurate. Wattage + airflow are the constants, while draw time is the variable. To over simplify an example, the following would all produce equal flavor (there are more factors to consider, but we'll leave the science out of this discussion for now).

10W, mouth draw, 8 second draw
20W, mouth to lung, 4 second draw
40W, lung draw, 2 second draw
80W, lung draw, 1 second draw

Now, if that 80W vaper took a 4-second draw, he'd have the same vapor density, thus the same flavor, but have 4 times the volume of vapor (thus "cloud-chaser").

Remember we removed the science, but one major differing factor is coil heat ramp-up time. The higher the wattage, the longer the ramp-up, so those used to high wattage know to start a slow draw and increase the draw as the coil heats up. Setting that factor aside, each of those setups in the example above would produce the same amount of vapor, with the same amount of air volume, thus equal in flavor. It's the density of the vapor that makes a good flavor atty, not the wattage.

The difference between flavor and cloud chasers is that real cloud chasers (competitive) tend to really open up the airflow, including drip tips that let more air in, which only reduces the density of the vapor and thus less flavor. Otherwise, there really is no distinction unless you want to use a more accurate term like "volume chaser" since flavor is equal.

Atty's like the Kayfun and Kabuki use other tricks, such as reducing the volume of the vapor chamber, which will give you a more dense vape, thus better flavor. There's a lot more science involved in different designs, but there are some basics. If you have a dripper and want more flavor, fill in some of that empty space with something solid - metal, insulator material, etc.

There are several members in the ProVape forums that have really increased their wattage since they first started posting - nothing crazy, but maybe started off at 7W and are now at 14W. Those people have a better understanding of what I'm talking about above. The same is true for those of us who use even higher wattages.
 

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But you see, we have already begged for a larger tank...

And were told it would ruin what it is.

Lost track - I assume we're talking about the Kabuki? I'm sure Zen's worked out the sweet spot for tank volume vs vacuum to keep the wicking saturated based on the Nautilus coils' juice hole size. So I would agree - changing the volume changes the wicking behavior. Knowing Zen, that tank is as fine-tuned as it can be.
 

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Do you vape a lot? I ask cause I've read more than a few post where people say the Radius will go a few days before needing a charge as opposed to only having a 1/4 charge left at the end of the day.

That all depends on the resistance of the coil you're using, the wattage you set, your fire/draw duration, and number of hits you take in a day. Also, I would expect the same battery to last just as long in the P3. The power consumption and loss in any ProVape product is very low, and any difference likely wouldn't be noticed. You really can't say X mod lasts X amount of time when there are such HUGE variables. I bet I have to charge mine 3x a day.
 

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If you want capacity... let me introduce you to the Aspire Triton... As much capacity as you would need, with 1/2 the flavor.

After being a fan of the (original) Atlantis, I tried the Triton. I was shocked at how bad it was. I even tried a variety of Atlantis 1 & 2 and Triton coils, with no luck. Well, it does have one of those drip tips that lets more air in, so maybe it's a good cloud-chaser tank.

As for capacity, the Kanger SubTank Plus holds 7ml, but the largest one I know of is the Sunone Sking which holds 10ml!
 

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Lost track - I assume we're talking about the Kabuki? I'm sure Zen's worked out the sweet spot for tank volume vs vacuum to keep the wicking saturated based on the Nautilus coils' juice hole size. So I would agree - changing the volume changes the wicking behavior. Knowing Zen, that tank is as fine-tuned as it can be.

It is, and the biggest limitation that is encountered in preventing larger capacity is the diameter. If I make it taller, you can forget about wicking... HOWEVER... if I made it WIDER at the same height, we could get a bit more liquid in there, and still have pretty decent juice uptake. But... people don't like it when diameters don't match.

After being a fan of the (original) Atlantis, I tried the Triton. I was shocked at how bad it was. I even tried a variety of Atlantis 1 & 2 and Triton coils, with no luck. Well, it does have one of those drip tips that lets more air in, so maybe it's a good cloud-chaser tank.

As for capacity, the Kanger SubTank Plus holds 7ml, but the largest one I know of is the Sunone Sking which holds 10ml!

I made a device with a 28mm wide tank for fun... held 10Ml and wicked pretty well. Ungainly little spud, it was.
 

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I have a dark horse dripper and frankly it doesn't perform well above about .6 ohm builds. It is better with .3 ish ohms. It's not always about ohms as the chamber size and airflow are just as big of not bigger factors. It pretty much demands .3 ohm 50+ watts to counter the big chamber and high air flow.

Throw a 1.8Ω coil on there... single coil... 29-32Ga... have the patience for it to come up to heat... at about 17 watts... just humor me.
 
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