Official ProVari Radius Thread

[tearose50]

I feel like this is 2011 with this discussion on VV vs VW.

VW won.

On to other points:

Yes, I missed being able to see the battery voltage level left when I got a P3. I got used to Percentage very quickly and find it much more user friendly. Now I never use the battery voltage level on my 2.O/2.5's. (I have a multi meter and charger for finding voltage level.)

Do I like being able to see corresponding watts to volts -- yes I do! But, do I actually miss it on Radius? No. I see that it is simply not used by most vapers -- and isn't of interest much any more. In fact, I observe it confusing newer people.

Would I like an OLED with color choice -- yes. Maybe by Radi 2 and P3.5, that will be technically feasible.

Will I abandon VV only? No way! I'm an established vaper who uses her adored devices....a lot.

Can I recommend a 2.5? Yes --- especially Ti.

I see the Radius as a modern device with just the right amount of simplicity and some fun and useful bells and whistles a good fit for many many vapers. The name ProVi in the title is, of course, a big asset too!

 

[Freedom2Vape]

Hay is less expensive than gasoline.

But the storage requirements are larger too, for hay .

 

[Freedom2Vape]

But nowadays, less is the new more.

and orange is the new black

 

[The Ocelot]

The light thing is exactly as I hoped it would be . The merkava is in the previous photo on the right - it's the easiest to build ever and was quite a surprise (Kabuki is still my favourite though).

 

[JD53]

LOL! The funny thing about this debate is that you need to use that Ohm's law wheel in order to set a proper voltage. In the case where the target wattage is critical. Which it is, if your objective is to set your mod to 14W because any higher and it errors out. So in order to do that you have to multiply two 2 digit numbers in your head and then take the square root. Wouldn't it be far easier to set the $%&# thing to 14W and be done with it????? The only thing harder than setting a Provari 2.5 to max power is trying to explain to people why VV is such a bad idea
Only because computing square roots in my head is far easier than arguing logic when the argument seems to defy logic

Actually all you have to do is start low and work your way up. No calculation involved.Cheers

 

[kates]

OK so I've done a video on my phone, converted it (as quicktime is somewhere on my pc but not working and as usual apple have now taken control of it and won't let me open it) and set up a youtube account (I think). I've added media via post button (but no idea where?) The result looks really squashed (but I think it's because I have no clue and converted it to the wrong extension or settings or something) and it looks MUCH better in real life but it gives an idea & should be below (if you can see it) :

rainbow - YouTube

• kates
• Nov 18, 2015

 

[The Ocelot]

OK so I've done a video on my phone, converted it (as quicktime is somewhere on my pc but not working and as usual apple have now taken control of it and won't let me open it) and set up a youtube account (I think). I've added media via post button (but no idea where?) The result looks really squashed (but I think it's because I have no clue and converted it to the wrong extension or settings or something) and it looks MUCH better in real life but it gives an idea & should be below (if you can see it) :

rainbow - YouTube

• kates
• Nov 18, 2015

Thank you! That is cool!

ETA: I don't think I would use it very often while out on the town. It looks like a potential creep magnet.

 

[JD53]

My head is full of flowers and butterflies, not roots.

Roughly: resistance +2 = x; setting voltage to x ≈ 8 watts. Fine tune to taste.

ETA: And amps? I'm vaping a freaking ProVari! I don't give a flying fruit bat about amps.

Even if you don't give a flying fruit bat about amps, everytime you push the fire button, you're using them. Cheers

 

[kates]

Thank you! That is cool!

ETA: I don't think I would use it very often while out on the town. It looks like a potential creep magnet.

Me neither - I shall just turn it on when I want to reminisce about the school discos back in the late 70's

 

[Arnold Ziffle]

I like using my p3 in voltage mode. I find it less fiddly to find the sweet spot with the coarser adjustments. most of my coils are 1.4'ish and run them at 3.4. with wattage I'd constantly go between 8.2 to 8.6'to fine tune. now I start at 3.4 and most of the time just leave it. .

I also like the battery percentage and iq. kind of handy. on my 2.5s if the remaining voltage dropped .4 or more under load I knew they were getting old. had one drop .5 so I put it in the p3 and got an iq of 15.

is any of this a deal breaker. no. I'm used to a couple of vaporsharks and as with the radius I can bump it to taste five clicks up or down. now all I have to do is buy one.

 

[JohnD0406]

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That was clever...

 

[VNeil]

What's your point???

Watt about the Amish!

My point is that VV is a less perfect variable than watts. Watts is not perfect either but it is far, far superior. The "upscale vaping" world has fully evolved to watts (Provape being a laggard in this).

What we are trying to do is model the vape behavior of an atty with one variable. Watts is the best variable. Imperfect but far superior to volts. You don't *need* a best model variable, Zen already explained why. But I don't think it is possible to make a reasoned technical case to use voltage. However, like buggy whips, some people resist change even when it makes more sense.

 

[The Ocelot]

I strive for superior imperfection.

 

[Arnold Ziffle]

I use the same attys on a mech. starts around 9 watts and a battery change around 7.. no big,all good.

 

[VNeil]

Actually all you have to do is start low and work your way up. No calculation involved.Cheers

How many iterations does it take to find the max voltage that a P2.5 will allow for your particular atty? Or do you try a big number and a small number and keep splitting the difference until you error out? And then... if you get too close it will fire sometimes and error other times, so back off some more until it's always happy. Sure, it can be done. if I don't have a calculator handy I do that. But it would be far easier to set it to 14W and be done with it. If you have a device with a limited wattage, then VW is the path of least resistance. Actually, I think Provape should have built in some way to say "fire at the highest voltage possible".

I have four P 2.5's and I will probably buy a few more. This is not a deal killer for me, but it is an annoyance. An unnecessary annoyance and I am always amazed that relatively so many people are clinging to this path of greater resistance (in a number of different ways, not just finding that mystical max voltage).

 

[VNeil]

I strive for superior imperfection.

You are arguing that the technical facts do not matter. You want what you want. And that is why I think Provape made a mistake when they eliminated the VV setting. This transcends engineering and delves into marketing. Particularly since they spent so much energy arguing the merits of VV (and indoctrinating their users in the process) when they were lagging their competition by failing to add the VW feature to the P2.5. They are trying to do a major 180 on this. I hope their marketing folks are reading this thread and learning something about marketing.

 

[The Ocelot]

I'm not arguing. I'm making witty comments.

 

[Arnold Ziffle]

I like my kayfuns at 8.5 watts and 3.4' volts with a 1.4. a mech is somewhat variable. shorter puffs for the first ten minutes and longer puffs for the last twenty. no fiddling involved.

 

[JD53]

How many iterations does it take to find the max voltage that a P2.5 will allow for your particular atty? Or do you try a big number and a small number and keep splitting the difference until you error out? And then... if you get too close it will fire sometimes and error other times, so back off some more until it's always happy. Sure, it can be done. if I don't have a calculator handy I do that. But it would be far easier to set it to 14W and be done with it. If you have advice with a limited wattage, then VW is the path of least resistance. Actually, I think Provape should have built in some way to say "fire at the highest voltage possible".

I have four P 2.5's and I will probably buy a few more. This is not a deal killer for me, but it is an annoyance. An unnecessary annoyance and I am always amazed that relatively so many people are clinging to this path of greater resistance (in a number of different ways, nit just finding that mystical max voltage).

I don't have any interest in max power. I'm using a 2.5 right now @ 3.6 volts. I don't need a big number / small number. I don't want to use 14 watts. Right now I'm using around 7. Why in the world would I want to "fire at the highest voltage possible"?
I just start low and work my way up till I'm happy. With this atty happy happens at 3.6v. Everytime I push the button that's what happens. I would rather set the voltage myself and not leave it up to the device. Thats all there is to it. I have 3 2.5's and would like a Radius, but not VW only.

 

[JohnD0406]

OK First off, it was JohnDO406 post on pg 601 that says you have to caculate watts to set voltage. You don't.

You do, if you want to know what wattage you're using. Wattage is a much more meaningful unit that carries across to other atty's in a more comprehensive and understandable manner. I'm not against your idea of keeping VV, but I am one of those people who has moved on to VW and never looked back. I'm all for giving people options though.

Actually, Variable Voltage makes a ton of sense from a technical standpoint.

ProVape's market is not the technically inclined, other than those of us who appreciate the over-engineering that goes into their designs. They're the "Apple" of the vape market - built right, and easy to use.

Nobody is mentioning current. Current flowing thru the coil is the electrical component that causes heat.

That's where we get into Joules, and that's a different brand. Nobody needs to be concerned about current or voltage when wattage is the result that's much easier to comprehend. Wattage is also a "result" not an "electrical component", which is why it's easier to comprehend. Nothing adjusts wattage - there is no such thing; everything is variable voltage. The wattage setting is being decoded by a chip and the circuit is still adjusting voltage.

Variable Voltage absolutely has a predictive value. Remember a VW device adjusts the voltage supplied to the atty, providing that the atty's resistance is stable.

You just took the words out of my mouth, and proved why VW is superior. "Providing that the atty's resistance is stable" - it's NOT, which is the point of VW. Kanthal (or any other wire) changes resistance as it heats up - that's the science behind temperature control/limiting, and why nickel wire was chosen - it has the greatest resistance change from cool to hot. VW devices constantly measure the resistance and adjust voltage on-the-fly to keep the vape consistent. Also, as the coil ages, the resistance changes.