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You are arguing that the technical facts do not matter. You want what you want. And that is why I think Provape made a mistake when they eliminated the VV setting. This transcends engineering and delves into marketing. Particularly since they spent so much energy arguing the merits of VV (and indoctrinating their users in the process) when they were lagging their competition by failing to add the VW feature to the P2.5. They are trying to do a major 180 on this. I hope their marketing folks are reading this thread and learning something about marketing.
I only post my thoughts in hopes that someone from Provape sees them, and realizes that there are stubborn people like me out there, and that they have lost a sale due to a particular lack of a feature which has always been available from them, excepting the little PV1. I realize that I am in the minority, and understand the explanations you have provided regarding why VW is a better variable. None of that does anything to appease my gut feeling about the feature set provided with this device. I believe the Radius is still in it's pre-order stage, no? Maybe they still browse this thread, maybe the thread became a burden at some point. Either way, none of this really matters in the grand scheme of things.
 

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You do, if you want to know what wattage you're using. Wattage is a much more meaningful unit that carries across to other atty's in a more comprehensive and understandable manner. I'm not against your idea of keeping VV, but I am one of those people who has moved on to VW and never looked back. I'm all for giving people options though.



ProVape's market is not the technically inclined, other than those of us who appreciate the over-engineering that goes into their designs. They're the "Apple" of the vape market - built right, and easy to use.



That's where we get into Joules, and that's a different brand. ;) Nobody needs to be concerned about current or voltage when wattage is the result that's much easier to comprehend. Wattage is also a "result" not an "electrical component", which is why it's easier to comprehend. Nothing adjusts wattage - there is no such thing; everything is variable voltage. The wattage setting is being decoded by a chip and the circuit is still adjusting voltage.



You just took the words out of my mouth, and proved why VW is superior. "Providing that the atty's resistance is stable" - it's NOT, which is the point of VW. Kanthal (or any other wire) changes resistance as it heats up - that's the science behind temperature control/limiting, and why nickel wire was chosen - it has the greatest resistance change from cool to hot. VW devices constantly measure the resistance and adjust voltage on-the-fly to keep the vape consistent. Also, as the coil ages, the resistance changes.
OK, I don't care what wattage my device is producing. It means less to me than volts.
Provari is actually quite technically inclined.
I don't care about Joules either
Yes, is variable voltage. Wattage is only a result. I just want to decide what voltage to use, not leave it to the device.
Yes, Kanthal changes resistance as it heats , But it is not being used for Temp Limiting because it seems pretty stable.
It would appear you have read the evolv patent.
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I personally am used to adjusting with voltage, I never had a P3 but I most likely would have set it to volts if I could. When I first started vaping I bought one of the first E-vic's, that was the only thing I have ever had that adjusts with watts. I only used that devise for a few months, before I got my first 2.5, then I never used the E-vic again, I think it is in a drawer somewhere. I personally would prefer to be able to set it to voltage, but I am sure I would figure it out eventually. :unsure:

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OK so I've done a video on my phone, converted it (as quicktime is somewhere on my pc but not working and as usual apple have now taken control of it and won't let me open it) and set up a youtube account (I think). I've added media via post button (but no idea where?) The result looks really squashed (but I think it's because I have no clue and converted it to the wrong extension or settings or something) and it looks MUCH better in real life but it gives an idea & should be below (if you can see it) :lol: :lol::


That looks cool. I can't do the disco/strobe....my unconscious mind reads it as an error message and it causes stress lol.
 

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That looks cool. I can't do the disco/strobe....my unconscious mind reads it as an error message and it causes stress lol.

Fear not! You will soon be able to enjoy all the features of your Personal Electronic Nicotine Inhalation System. House of Hybrids is planning to add Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses to their web shop.
 

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All is well with the replacement Radius. Finally enjoying my vape.
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Fear not! You will soon be able to enjoy all the features of your Personal Electronic Nicotine Inhalation System. House of Hybrids is planning to add Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses to their web shop.

I just figgere'd you'd come up with a fictional sunglass name, but then I thought, nope, this is TO, so I Googled it and low and behold:

Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses

All is well with the replacement Radius. Finally enjoying my vape.
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YAY! Enjoy and vape happily and healthy!
 

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My point is that VV is a less perfect variable than watts. Watts is not perfect either but it is far, far superior. The "upscale vaping" world has fully evolved to watts (Provape being a laggard in this).

What we are trying to do is model the vape behavior of an atty with one variable. Watts is the best variable. Imperfect but far superior to volts. You don't *need* a best model variable, Zen already explained why. But I don't think it is possible to make a reasoned technical case to use voltage. However, like buggy whips, some people resist change even when it makes more sense.

From my perspective you are missing the point.

Volts is not about the vape.

It's about the battery.

Some of us want to know what is going on with the battery.

We would like to have that information in a little bit more detail.

Nothing against wattage.
 

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My point is that VV is a less perfect variable than watts. Watts is not perfect either but it is far, far superior. The "upscale vaping" world has fully evolved to watts (Provape being a laggard in this).

What we are trying to do is model the vape behavior of an atty with one variable. Watts is the best variable. Imperfect but far superior to volts. You don't *need* a best model variable, Zen already explained why. But I don't think it is possible to make a reasoned technical case to use voltage. However, like buggy whips, some people resist change even when it makes more sense.
The easiest reasoned technical case to use voltage is I want to decide what voltage to use instead of the device.
 
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Get in the car... turn on the stereo... how many watts are you using?
Sit on couch... turn on TV... set the volume.... How many watts are you using?
Answer the phone... set the volume... Watts?
Shove some bread in the toaster... how many watts are you using?
Slice of Pizza in the Microwave... How many watts are we using?

The correct answer is "I don't know"... these consumer products are intuitive enough to be used without knowing ohms law, yet... ohms law was used to figure out how to make the product, but after that, the consumer uses the senses required t know what is right for them.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED... a well designed consumer product doesn't require the consumer to know ANYTHING involved in the tech of how the magic is made.

Your Car stereo is set by the volume that is comfortable to listen, Same thing with the phone and the TV. Bread miraculously becomes toast, if it's too light ya turn it up, too dark... down. The pizza is too hot? Lower the power, or put it in for less time. And Vice Versa if it's too cold.

With these regulated devices you NEVER need to know the resistance, the voltage OR the wattage. Amp limits? NEVER.

Start low, work your way up until it tastes good... watts or Volts... who cares. They could be letters or symbols... doesn't matter. It's an integer so you can remember where you were when it tasted good.

The rest... well, kids, it's all just overthinking it, to be honest. Yes you CAN do all kinds of math, it changes nothing... it gives you a data point that is completely pointless.

And when the battery is dead, I charge it.

At the end of the day, what matters to me, is that the vapor comes out when I push the button. If it's too hot, I turn it down... too cool, I turn it up. And that's all anybody else does too... they just put in a whole bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo so they can pretend they know the Rosicrucian secrets.

UP or DOWN... everything else is a traveling medicine show acting as a speed bump on the path to shoving nicotine all up in my face.
 

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Get in the car... turn on the stereo... how many watts are you using?
Sit on couch... turn on TV... set the volume.... How many watts are you using?
Answer the phone... set the volume... Watts?
Shove some bread in the toaster... how many watts are you using?
Slice of Pizza in the Microwave... How many watts are we using?

The correct answer is "I don't know"... these consumer products are intuitive enough to be used without knowing ohms law, yet... ohms law was used to figure out how to make the product, but after that, the consumer uses the senses required t know what is right for them.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED... a well designed consumer product doesn't require the consumer to know ANYTHING involved in the tech of how the magic is made.

Your Car stereo is set by the volume that is comfortable to listen, Same thing with the phone and the TV. Bread miraculously becomes toast, if it's too light ya turn it up, too dark... down. The pizza is too hot? Lower the power, or put it in for less time. And Vice Versa if it's too cold.

With these regulated devices you NEVER need to know the resistance, the voltage OR the wattage. Amp limits? NEVER.

Start low, work your way up until it tastes good... watts or Volts... who cares. They could be letters or symbols... doesn't matter. It's an integer so you can remember where you were when it tasted good.

The rest... well, kids, it's all just overthinking it, to be honest. Yes you CAN do all kinds of math, it changes nothing... it gives you a data point that is completely pointless.

And when the battery is dead, I charge it.

At the end of the day, what matters to me, is that the vapor comes out when I push the button. If it's too hot, I turn it down... too cool, I turn it up. And that's all anybody else does too... they just put in a whole bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo so they can pretend they know the Rosicrucian secrets.

UP or DOWN... everything else is a traveling medicine show acting as a speed bump on the path to shoving nicotine all up in my face.
Amen Zen! Very good,very good.
 
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