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The Ocelot

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Get in the car... turn on the stereo... how many watts are you using?
Sit on couch... turn on TV... set the volume.... How many watts are you using?
Answer the phone... set the volume... Watts?
Shove some bread in the toaster... how many watts are you using?
Slice of Pizza in the Microwave... How many watts are we using?

The correct answer is "I don't know"... these consumer products are intuitive enough to be used without knowing ohms law, yet... ohms law was used to figure out how to make the product, but after that, the consumer uses the senses required t know what is right for them.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED... a well designed consumer product doesn't require the consumer to know ANYTHING involved in the tech of how the magic is made.

Your Car stereo is set by the volume that is comfortable to listen, Same thing with the phone and the TV. Bread miraculously becomes toast, if it's too light ya turn it up, too dark... down. The pizza is too hot? Lower the power, or put it in for less time. And Vice Versa if it's too cold.

With these regulated devices you NEVER need to know the resistance, the voltage OR the wattage. Amp limits? NEVER.

Start low, work your way up until it tastes good... watts or Volts... who cares. They could be letters or symbols... doesn't matter. It's an integer so you can remember where you were when it tasted good.

The rest... well, kids, it's all just overthinking it, to be honest. Yes you CAN do all kinds of math, it changes nothing... it gives you a data point that is completely pointless.

And when the battery is dead, I charge it.

At the end of the day, what matters to me, is that the vapor comes out when I push the button. If it's too hot, I turn it down... too cool, I turn it up. And that's all anybody else does too... they just put in a whole bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo so they can pretend they know the Rosicrucian secrets.

UP or DOWN... everything else is a traveling medicine show acting as a speed bump on the path to shoving nicotine all up in my face.

A toaster that can't be set to at least 60 watts doesn't meet my breakfast needs.
 

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Slice of Pizza in the Microwave... How many watts are we using?

The correct answer is "I don't know"...

Actually, I do know this one. My microwave is 1,000 watts. I have to cook Pop-Tarts longer than my friend whose microwave is 1,100 watts.
 

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Get in the car... turn on the stereo... how many watts are you using? - 200W
Sit on couch... turn on TV... set the volume.... How many watts are you using? - 4275W (output, 30A circuit)
Answer the phone... set the volume... Watts? - 50mW
Shove some bread in the toaster... how many watts are you using? - 1200W
Slice of Pizza in the Microwave... How many watts are we using? - 800W

The correct answer is "I don't know"...

Bzzzzzt! *I* know, but you know me well enough by now... ;)

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED... a well designed consumer product doesn't require the consumer to know ANYTHING involved in the tech of how the magic is made.

People *SHOULD* be more aware of the wattage appliances use - it's a safety concern. In the screwy house I live in, the electrician must have been high when wiring the outlets to the breakers. I'll spare you the boredom and only cite one example. The dining area, just outside the kitchen, is wired to the same breaker as 3 of the 4 outlets in the bedroom. Due to location, it just happens that the toaster oven, microwave, and bedroom heater are on the same circuit. Can't use all 3 at the same time, unless the bedroom heater is on low (500W), then the toaster oven (1200W) can be used at the same time; or the bedroom heater is on medium (1000W) then the microwave (800W) can be used at the same time, but not the toaster oven. My wife knows not to run anything else if she's vacuuming, since that'll use every circuit at some point (just to keep it simple).

That all changes when the power company isn't sending the usual 118V - sometimes it's 105V and sometimes it's 130V, depending on season and neighborhood power consumption (or if the neighbor is arcwelding), and they consider that "acceptable". My audio power conditioner shows line voltage, so I'm extra careful when line voltage is low. Already had an electrician install lines for the main A/C unit (220V), and the stereo amp rack, and was told any more would require a new run to the transformer.

Are there safety measures like circuit breakers installed in the house? Sure, but as with ANYTHING, you never want to RELY on those things - they too can fail. Being smart about safety could save your house, if not your life someday.

I know you were making a point and being funny, but... I had to point out the flip side. Carry on...
 

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Actually, I do know this one. My microwave is 1,000 watts. I have to cook Pop-Tarts longer than my friend whose microwave is 1,100 watts.

Puhleeze, only 1,000 watts? When 'ya going to get one that puts out some real watts? Ours is 1200 watts. It makes bigger clouds of steam! Oh yes it does!
 

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Bzzzzzt! *I* know, but you know me well enough by now... ;)



People *SHOULD* be more aware of the wattage appliances use - it's a safety concern. In the screwy house I live in, the electrician must have been high when wiring the outlets to the breakers. I'll spare you the boredom and only cite one example. The dining area, just outside the kitchen, is wired to the same breaker as 3 of the 4 outlets in the bedroom. Due to location, it just happens that the toaster oven, microwave, and bedroom heater are on the same circuit. Can't use all 3 at the same time, unless the bedroom heater is on low (500W), then the toaster oven (1200W) can be used at the same time; or the bedroom heater is on medium (1000W) then the microwave (800W) can be used at the same time, but not the toaster oven. My wife knows not to run anything else if she's vacuuming, since that'll use every circuit at some point (just to keep it simple).

That all changes when the power company isn't sending the usual 118V - sometimes it's 105V and sometimes it's 130V, depending on season and neighborhood power consumption (or if the neighbor is arcwelding), and they consider that "acceptable". My audio power conditioner shows line voltage, so I'm extra careful when line voltage is low. Already had an electrician install lines for the main A/C unit (220V), and the stereo amp rack, and was told any more would require a new run to the transformer.

Are there safety measures like circuit breakers installed in the house? Sure, but as with ANYTHING, you never want to RELY on those things - they too can fail. Being smart about safety could save your house, if not your life someday.

I know you were making a point and being funny, but... I had to point out the flip side. Carry on...

Have you ever considered that you might be just a tad obsessed with minutia?
 

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Actually, I do know this one. My microwave is 1,000 watts. I have to cook Pop-Tarts longer than my friend whose microwave is 1,100 watts.

I am one of the ones that doesn't know this, I think I bought it in 1983 or 1984, it is a Toshiba, and yes it still works, I think it is a low wattage, it takes 1 minute to cook my poptarts. :)

KAS
 

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Have you ever considered that you might be just a tad obsessed with minutia?

Nope. Watch the news much? Seen reports of house fires due to the circuit breaker failing? I have, quite a few times. Many tragedies are avoidable. I have a friend who often asks me "why do bad things always happen to me". Well, poor decisions and lack of attention to detail in almost every case. She does have quite an unusual amount of "bad luck" as she puts it - I put it a little more bluntly.

Some things are unavoidable, but you sure can change your own odds.
 

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Have you ever considered that you might be just a tad obsessed with minutia?
Why, can't I answer like this?:thumb:

I would have said...................I know more then you mere mortals, and I'm going to beat it into you. Even if you REALLY don't want to hear it. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over.......................................... in every thread.:shock::shock::shock:

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We got it the FIRST time. Don't worry, I reported myself!:confused:
 

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I am one of the ones that doesn't know this, I think I bought it in 1983 or 1984, it is a Toshiba, and yes it still works, I think it is a low wattage, it takes 1 minute to cook my poptarts. :)

KAS

I only know because it has a big sign inside the door that states the wattage. I don't know what the wattage was of the huge 1980s model attached above the stove. It died and I couldn't fix it because they don't make the parts anymore.
 

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Why, can't I answer like this?:thumb:

I would have said...................I know more then you mere mortals, and I'm going to beat it into you. Even if you REALLY don't want to hear it. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over.......................................... in every thread.:shock::shock::shock:

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We got it the FIRST time. Don't worry, I reported myself!:confused:

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UP or DOWN... everything else is a traveling medicine show acting as a speed bump on the path to shoving nicotine all up in my face.

With a lithium battery powered device...which has a life cycle measured in???
 

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Get in the car... turn on the stereo... how many watts are you using?
Sit on couch... turn on TV... set the volume.... How many watts are you using?
Answer the phone... set the volume... Watts?
Shove some bread in the toaster... how many watts are you using?
Slice of Pizza in the Microwave... How many watts are we using?

The correct answer is "I don't know"... these consumer products are intuitive enough to be used without knowing ohms law, yet... ohms law was used to figure out how to make the product, but after that, the consumer uses the senses required t know what is right for them.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED... a well designed consumer product doesn't require the consumer to know ANYTHING involved in the tech of how the magic is made.

Your Car stereo is set by the volume that is comfortable to listen, Same thing with the phone and the TV. Bread miraculously becomes toast, if it's too light ya turn it up, too dark... down. The pizza is too hot? Lower the power, or put it in for less time. And Vice Versa if it's too cold.

With these regulated devices you NEVER need to know the resistance, the voltage OR the wattage. Amp limits? NEVER.

Start low, work your way up until it tastes good... watts or Volts... who cares. They could be letters or symbols... doesn't matter. It's an integer so you can remember where you were when it tasted good.

The rest... well, kids, it's all just overthinking it, to be honest. Yes you CAN do all kinds of math, it changes nothing... it gives you a data point that is completely pointless.

And when the battery is dead, I charge it.

At the end of the day, what matters to me, is that the vapor comes out when I push the button. If it's too hot, I turn it down... too cool, I turn it up. And that's all anybody else does too... they just put in a whole bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo so they can pretend they know the Rosicrucian secrets.

UP or DOWN... everything else is a traveling medicine show acting as a speed bump on the path to shoving nicotine all up in my face.
Ok, I'll bite...

Plug in my headphones to an iPhone.

There are 16 selectable levels.

I wish there were 32, because I find one too loud and the other too soft.

Picky? Yes!

I'm an Elitist Listener as well as an Entitled Vaper!!!

LOLz, Jim
 

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I would have said...................I know more then you mere mortals, and I'm going to beat it into you. Even if you REALLY don't want to hear it. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over.......................................... in every thread.

I assume you're responding to my safety post? You know, nobody forces you to stop and read a long post. There's even a user ignore feature on this forum if you don't want to ever read someone's posts. Oh, and, "every thread"? You mean, like BOTH of the threads I post in? LOL

Don't worry, I reported myself!:confused:

I've never reported anyone for anything. Everyone is entitled to state their opinion.

Relax, vape some menthol to chill the system. It's only a computer - real life is out there.
 

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I think if you read my last post on page 602, you'll understand my position. I just want to be in the driver's seat. Cheers!
Fair enough, you're in the drivers seat... how many horsepower is your car using at 55 MPH... How many gallons per hour? How many tire rotations? The driveshaft (or shafts), At what speed are they spinning?

It's all very real data... none of which is required to actually propel your car down the road, and still be in charge of how you get there... To go faster, hit the gas... to slow down, foot off the gas and hit the brakes.

Everything else is only important to design the car. Not to actually drive it.

Mark my words, one day... vaping will be that simple when people let go of the inane need to know everything that is happening, in real time. When more people learn that none of this is anything but gee-gaws and doo-dads, all designed to market the device, then it will change, and it's coming.

Ignorance... is bliss. Not calling anybody ignorant... saying that to be unaware of the mechanisms and engineering is a sign of evolving to a point where more than just well educated mavens can enjoy a nice vape.

And by the way if somebodies house burns down because they overloaded a circuit, the house isn't up to code. It's STILL not the fault of the end user that the breaker didn't trip. Unless the end user, though he knew better than the code, and put in a bigger breaker or fuse. A little knowledge is very dangerous, even fatal at times.
 

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I assume you're responding to my safety post? You know, nobody forces you to stop and read a long post. There's even a user ignore feature on this forum if you don't want to ever read someone's posts. Oh, and, "every thread"? You mean, like BOTH of the threads I post in? LOL



I've never reported anyone for anything. Everyone is entitled to state their opinion.

Relax, vape some menthol to chill the system. It's only a computer - real life is out there.
I appreciate everyones view and input.

And I mean everyones!!!

Thanks for posting John!

Cheers, Jim
 
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