Official ProVari Radius Thread

[VNeil]

Imagine putting a tank on your iPhone and using the phone itself as a mod? @Zen~ , think you'd be up for building a Kabuki with a Lightning connection?

I saw a vape mod connected to a phone the other day. Actually a battery pack embedded in the case, that powered a mod, and I guess it also maintained the phone battery charge.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

I saw a vape mod connected to a phone the other day. Actually a battery pack embedded in the case, that powered a mod, and I guess it also maintained the phone battery charge.

Perhaps Mophie will consider getting into the mod business? I'd buy one!

 

[AstroTurf]

Good question, too bad you asked it in a general chit chat thread,,, uhmm, wait,,,
supposedly this is the " Official Provari Radius thread ".

Might try contacting Provape directly.

Good Idea!!!


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[JD53]

So, should I vape a car or a thermometer? Just curious.

 

[jwbnyc]

I vape every day with a Nautilus coil at 4.3-4.4v I discovered it performed great in that area by using my senses instead of the readings on the display.

This discussion will go in circles until the end of time, OR until the manufacturer figures out that if you give a consumer a data point, some will focus on the data instead of the job the device is doing.

We all have our preferences, and I will stipulate to the fact that ProVape took one of those choices away.

One down... one to go.

As I said of interest to some...

 

[AstroTurf]

Oh Hey...

Just an FYI...

Got me a Provi on the way!!!

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Got it!!!

w00 h00!!!

And a Bonus too!!!

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[ENAUD]

I have not ridiculed anyone, and certainly that was not my intent. I merely tried to explain why watts is a direct measure of power, which is a direct measure of heat produced in the coil. But voltage is not. I kept it to a technical level except to acknowledge that personal preference, regardless of the technical merits, is something Provape should have considered. And my intent was to try to convince a few people that the Radius should not be written off merely because it doesn't offer VV, even if I think Provape should have included it simply to avoid this technical argument and the overlapping marketing angle of giving people what they want, regardless of the technical merits.

An analogy: you could calibrate an analog liquid thermometer in inches instead of degrees. It is true that the column height of a thermometer is related to temperature. As temp rises, the column rises. You would, over time, learn that on your specific thermometer 3" is the freezing point, 8" is the hottest day (around 100F) and 6.5" is your favorite outdoor comfortable temperature.

You can argue that that is a perfectly acceptable way - for you - to measure temperature. And you may indeed over time become more comfortable measuring temperature as a function of column height of your thermometer. You might even become very reluctant to change. I would not argue that you should change calibrations just because temperature is more direct and consistently repeatable across thermometers.

It is difficult, though, to argue that calibrating in inches is no better or worse than calibrating in degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius. And further that directly measuring temperature in degrees is unacceptable based on any technical merits. Especially since every height calibrated thermometer would have a different scale correlating different heights to degrees temperature. And this is the case in the vape world, where every different atty resistance results in a different voltage equating to a given power level. I have trouble with the "no better or worse" argument, at a technical level. Inches is demonstrably a poorer proxy for temperature. That is different than "I have a preference regardless of the factual merits and so be it". Personal preference is fine as long as it is accepted as personal preference.

TLDR, the horseless carriage post comes to mind, with redundant flame emoties, It's been fun, have a nice day

 

[Bronze]

Pre-Filled cartos actually came out BEFORE "blank" cartos (which is what they were called when they first came out). Way back in the day, there was a campaign to get empty cartos and Boge finally caved and let us have them.

I remember that. Places like ProSmoke (and others) have used pre-filled cartos from the start and still do I believe.

 

[jwbnyc]

Tried the white o rings but just a wee bit too tight.

Went with the steel tank.

 

[Bronze]

No these wasn't cartos...they were clearomizers....like the early versions they used to have.

No, they were called cartomizers.

 

[VNeil]

Both.

So, you can find yourself in a situation where you are overdriving a coil at quite a low wattage setting, 10W @ 1.9ohms, as an example, on a Nautilus coil. Manufacturer recommends 4.2V tops. You would not know that if you did not have VV to tell you were at 4.3V. This may not be of interest to some. It's of interest to me.

You could convert the 4.2V at 1.9 ohms to watts (9.28W in this case). But I would agree that having a voltage display would eliminate the math and I think it is the mod makers job to make life easy on the user, not force him into Ohm's Law computations. And interestingly, that is one of the reasons why I think VW is important- because in many real life situations the watts matter, not the volts (can go either way depending...). ETA: What I meant is that in many real world situations VW eliminates a similar need to do Ohm's Law Calcs, for example determining the max voltage a P2.5 can fire with a particular coil since the device has a 14W limit but doesn't even display watts. You are left to guess or crunch numbers, identical to the problem you have with the coil.

Then there is the general diagnostic function that being able to see what voltage the battery is outputting, under load, and what it is reading at rest.

Again, I will state that this has nothing to do with whether or not VW is a good thing.

I can understand why some people want to vape using VV.

I can understand why some people would want to vape using VW.

Neither is better or worse than the other, just different.

I'd agree that just setting your PV to a particular wattage, and forgetting it, is easier.

You have no disagreement with me on displaying both output volts and battery voltage. Their philosophy is similar Zen's, in which he is advocating "dumbing down" the device to insulate the user from the technology. I will respectfully disagree with his religion and philosophy on that one. I like my high end expensive stereo amps to have Vu meters, and I appreciate that my volume is calibrated relative to a 0db reference level instead of arbitrary numbers or notches. And I like my vape mod to tell me what it is doing. Apple figured out how to make people pay more for dumbed down devices but most companies are not smart enough to pull that off and I hope Provape does not go further in that direction.

We'll agree to disagree on "neither is better or worse", as I discussed in my thermometer analogy in my preceding post

 

[ENAUD]

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Tried the white o rings but just a wee bit too tight.

Went with the steel tank.

That sure is a sweet looking mod

 

[jwbnyc]

Imagine putting a tank on your iPhone and using the phone itself as a mod? @Zen~ , think you'd be up for building a Kabuki with a Lightning connection?

 

[HandsomeStan]

Got it!!!

w00 h00!!!

And a Bonus too!!!

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Thats a real beauty, in amazing condition!

 

[ENAUD]

No, they were called cartomizers.

I think she is talking about pre-filled clearomizers, like the ones that used to come with non-replaceable coils. I've seen them in a convenience store around here.

 

[rbrylawski]

Imagine putting a tank on your iPhone and using the phone itself as a mod? @Zen~ , think you'd be up for building a Kabuki with a Lightning connection?

That is so yesterday...........
ecig cell phone - - Yahoo Search Results

 

[Bronze]

I think she is talking about pre-filled clearomizers, like the ones that used to come with non-replaceable coils. I've seen them in a convenience store around here.

Could be. Seems we are talking past each other either way.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

That is so yesterday...........
ecig cell phone - - Yahoo Search Results

This is more my style, though!

 

[rbrylawski]

I have not ridiculed anyone, and certainly that was not my intent. I merely tried to explain why watts is a direct measure of power, which is a direct measure of heat produced in the coil. But voltage is not. I kept it to a technical level except to acknowledge that personal preference, regardless of the technical merits, is something Provape should have considered. And my intent was to try to convince a few people that the Radius should not be written off merely because it doesn't offer VV, even if I think Provape should have included it simply to avoid this technical argument and the overlapping marketing angle of giving people what they want, regardless of the technical merits.

An analogy: you could calibrate an analog liquid thermometer in inches instead of degrees. It is true that the column height of a thermometer is related to temperature. As temp rises, the column rises. You would, over time, learn that on your specific thermometer 3" is the freezing point, 8" is the hottest day (around 100F) and 6.5" is your favorite outdoor comfortable temperature.

You can argue that that is a perfectly acceptable way - for you - to measure temperature. And you may indeed over time become more comfortable measuring temperature as a function of column height of your thermometer. You might even become very reluctant to change. I would not argue that you should change calibrations just because temperature is more direct and consistently repeatable across thermometers.

It is difficult, though, to argue that calibrating in inches is no better or worse than calibrating in degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius. And further that directly measuring temperature in degrees is unacceptable based on any technical merits. Especially since every height calibrated thermometer would have a different scale correlating different heights to degrees temperature. And this is the case in the vape world, where every different atty resistance results in a different voltage equating to a given power level. I have trouble with the "no better or worse" argument, at a technical level. Inches is demonstrably a poorer proxy for temperature. That is different than "I have a preference regardless of the factual merits and so be it". Personal preference is fine as long as it is accepted as personal preference.

Really excellent analogy and post!

 

[WillyZee]

Got it!!!

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And a Bonus too!!!

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That v2 looks awesome


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