And a first version too...
My collection of Provi Tubes is complete.
(Well as complete as I care for)
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My collection of Provi Tubes is complete.
(Well as complete as I care for)
w00t!!!
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I prefer the V2 I think it's a more elegant design, I can't believe you found one that looks so pristine!
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@Zen~ I truly respect much of what you do and say, but here I think you are making a straw man argument. NO ONE here is suggesting we be slaves to the numbers - watts or volts - and mindlessly set our mods to some pre-ordained number. I can speak in detail only about myself. My mods are initially set to the numbers and then adjusted to taste. But I for one like a controlling metric that I understand and makes technical sense, and in this case it's watts by a mile. I know I can take any atty I own, and they span a wide spectrum of resistances, set them to 20-25W I will get a nice vape. I may change that, and I may tweak it for a particular atty and especially as the coil ages but I know my starting point based on a metric with physical meaning. It's just the way my mind is wired. And if I owned an atty that worked better in some other range I would know that and set it accordingly before I adjusted to taste.
You seem to be seriously advocating a premium priced high end mod calibrated in some arbitrary fashion like 1-10 and you seem to think you should insulate the user from even knowing volts or watts, forcing him to vape "blindly" to taste, apparently for his own good. I will not argue that politics and religion, and that is what it is. I will say, for sure, I would never buy that mod. I would be curious to know if such a mod would succeed in the market place because if it did it would be a very niche market. Or maybe appeal to first time newbies. I find it hard to believe it would appeal to the typical user here, or even the newbies it might appeal to after they are ready to take their training wheels off.
And although I am historically a Windows users and I do not like a lot of what Apple does, I do own an iPhone. I don't think anyone can sell dumbed down products at premium prices like Apple does. And what Apple does and why they succeed is far more complex than that. And computers and smart phones are not vape devices. The principles may not hold.
I think most consumers are savior than you give them credit for. In the dawn of the internet and computer age, people had trouble with simple things like navigating the web. I remember watching the today show one morning and the host was stumbling through a web site, saying something like "type in h-t-t-p-colon--front slash-front slash-w-w-w-dot-s-o-m-e-p-l-a-c-e-dot-com" and laughing my .... off because she could have just said "type in www-dot-somesite-dot-com. Well, at some point even the today show hosts got that figured out. And the average vaper will come to understand that 10 watts delivers a certain general vape, and 50 watts something totally different. They may never understand Ohm's Law but they don't need to in order to relate a power level to a vape level in a very general way. They would do the same with yours, knowing a number 5 is a decent starting vape. And that knowledge will not stop them from tweaking their vape. There may be a very niche market for your idea or it may be a gateway for some, but I don't think that idea will ever go mainstream because the average consumer is far more sophisticated than you give them credit for. Even Apple gives their customers more credit than that. As dumbed down as Apple is, relative to the PC/Android world, they are far more sophisticated than what you propose as "all they need to know".
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While I liked this post...
(Hell, sometimes I use like as a reminder that I've read a post before?!?)
This has become a round and round conversation. I think I understand your point, as well as understanding the others views.
I am just not sure where this is going to end up at??? Only Big Tobacco and the FDA know for sure..
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No it won't because I have a good idea of the calls you refer to. That is the newbie niche I mentioned. But you can take your philosophy further and say that all those people need gas station cigalikes because they are too simple to screw up or misunderstand. People start on cigalikes, they learn, they evolve and (many or most?) move on. And I think your idea would be some sort of bridge device between cigalikes and what is on the market today. Eventually their friend shows them their VW mod and they are looking at their Zen mod with high-medium-low and some increments between and think... WTF?
Here I was, thinking I was an redeemable degenerate because the Mark Bugs Gem I got yesterday was my 12th atty to go with my Radius and my P3.
I have some catchin' up to do!
I like my saviors histrionic. 
Please don't hurt me, my brain is wired for language not numbers (and I'm sure it's the fault of auto-correct).
Please don't hurt me, my brain is wired for language not numbers (and I'm sure it's the fault of auto-correct).
I remember back in the day you did have to type in h-t-t-p-colon--front slash-front slash-w-w-w-dot-s-o-m-e-p-l-a-c-e-dot-com and sometimes not a URL. It was still an IP address, before DNS was everywhere. We had webpages sent to our email that we would have to save to our computers, then open with our Netscape browsers. This was WAY back before OS's had a built-in Internet connectivity. We had to buy the software and install it. And it was a pain to do. Things have changed greatly since then to make things easier where more people could access the Internet. I see vaping going the same way.
Just a thought. I think that when @AstroTurf finally gets a Radius we can successfully shut down this thread!Got it!!!
w00 h00!!!
And a Bonus too!!!
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I feel this needs a little clarification as to why I say what I say regarding the calibrations and displays and readouts, etc.
Vaping is evolving from being a niche market cottage industry into big business. We're not there yet, we're heading there. As this transition is taking place, the early adopters and vaping mavens have a well-established way of doing things to which they have become accustomed. This is normal, predictable emerging market behavior. Absolutely nothing here is new in terms of how this market has evolved, with the possible exception of any legislative influence, which was also 100% expected from the onset.
There are currently millions of vapers. Many of whom are advanced users, and many are not advanced. I would argue that there are more in the latter category, but won't muddy this with a percentage, because it too, is irrelevant to my position. What is important to understand that every person vaping today, does not represent everybody who is ever going to vape.
There are over one billion people that still smoke... pretty big number. Not all of them will transition, in fact a pretty small percentage will. Many will simply die.
SO, vaping has a very long way to go in terms of being able to replace, or even significantly diminish tobacco use in the world, it's a long and complex road. This road is a bumpy one, because many of the smokers lack the sophistication, or income, or interest in putting down the smokes in favor of something healthier. I talk to smokers every day that tell me they tried vaping... too much work, too complex, not satisfying, and yes, some say it's way too confusing. They also say they wish it was as simple as a volume control on the TV, which is why I frequently use that analogy. A volume control is the limit to what they are willing to learn how to use. They don't really want to know what's going on in the background. As product designers we simply cannot dismiss this group of people that have shown an interest, and the current products are far too complex or bothersome to use.
When a current vaper says "I would never buy a product without a display"... you're not telling me anything I don't know. YOU wouldn't, and if I'm being honest, a really huge number of current vapers won't either. But for the market to grow, and it will grow, the products being offered, even in high-end luxury devices will become more simplified. The guesswork will be removed, the vaping experience will become even better, without the need to know anything technical.
Every emerging industry has or will go through this growth pattern. Products will become easier to use and more intuitive which in turn enables more people to enjoy the products. Vaping is no exception. As time goes by, the products of this or any other industry become more appealing to the masses. The early adopters and mavens are left with the memories of the old-times when they were special, and they will miss being a pocket of knowledge that helped the world understand how these things work. No industry is immune from this.
I hear everybody and the arguments about the displays, and I agree that for your specific cases, you are 100% correct. You know what you need and want, and it's based on your journey to this point. And I'll go so far as to say you are right, for where we are today.
But, products are already emerging that the mavens don't understand, and they are superlative products. The ProVari Radius is one such example. And there will be more. Soon, some really really good products will hit the market that don't even resemble what you're vaping today, and over time, you won't even recognize the vape gear compared to what it is today. And I'm willing to bet it will perform flawlessly, with no need to learn a cotton-picking thing to enjoy it. No math, no science, nothing resembling brain power.
And the current mavens will have very little voice in how this all goes down. If the product is to reach mass market appeal, then products will have to be created that actually work well, so the masses will buy them. What you see in my comments is with the understanding that this is the direction the market will be headed. There are dozens of reasons why early adopters will hate this.
But it will happen. And it will be fantastic when it does. Because, we are going to save a LOT of lives when we get to that point. A WHOLE LOT of lives... which is why I do this.
Many vapers only care about the one life they save by getting into this... I get that.
I'm working on the trajectory that saves the lives of people I have never even met, and know nothing about, other than the fact that they exist, and they deserve to have products designed that fit their needs.
Simplicity is the key.
Vaping is evolving from being a niche market cottage industry into big business. We're not there yet, we're heading there. As this transition is taking place, the early adopters and vaping mavens have a well-established way of doing things to which they have become accustomed. This is normal, predictable emerging market behavior. Absolutely nothing here is new in terms of how this market has evolved, with the possible exception of any legislative influence, which was also 100% expected from the onset.
There are currently millions of vapers. Many of whom are advanced users, and many are not advanced. I would argue that there are more in the latter category, but won't muddy this with a percentage, because it too, is irrelevant to my position. What is important to understand that every person vaping today, does not represent everybody who is ever going to vape.
There are over one billion people that still smoke... pretty big number. Not all of them will transition, in fact a pretty small percentage will. Many will simply die.
SO, vaping has a very long way to go in terms of being able to replace, or even significantly diminish tobacco use in the world, it's a long and complex road. This road is a bumpy one, because many of the smokers lack the sophistication, or income, or interest in putting down the smokes in favor of something healthier. I talk to smokers every day that tell me they tried vaping... too much work, too complex, not satisfying, and yes, some say it's way too confusing. They also say they wish it was as simple as a volume control on the TV, which is why I frequently use that analogy. A volume control is the limit to what they are willing to learn how to use. They don't really want to know what's going on in the background. As product designers we simply cannot dismiss this group of people that have shown an interest, and the current products are far too complex or bothersome to use.
When a current vaper says "I would never buy a product without a display"... you're not telling me anything I don't know. YOU wouldn't, and if I'm being honest, a really huge number of current vapers won't either. But for the market to grow, and it will grow, the products being offered, even in high-end luxury devices will become more simplified. The guesswork will be removed, the vaping experience will become even better, without the need to know anything technical.
Every emerging industry has or will go through this growth pattern. Products will become easier to use and more intuitive which in turn enables more people to enjoy the products. Vaping is no exception. As time goes by, the products of this or any other industry become more appealing to the masses. The early adopters and mavens are left with the memories of the old-times when they were special, and they will miss being a pocket of knowledge that helped the world understand how these things work. No industry is immune from this.
I hear everybody and the arguments about the displays, and I agree that for your specific cases, you are 100% correct. You know what you need and want, and it's based on your journey to this point. And I'll go so far as to say you are right, for where we are today.
But, products are already emerging that the mavens don't understand, and they are superlative products. The ProVari Radius is one such example. And there will be more. Soon, some really really good products will hit the market that don't even resemble what you're vaping today, and over time, you won't even recognize the vape gear compared to what it is today. And I'm willing to bet it will perform flawlessly, with no need to learn a cotton-picking thing to enjoy it. No math, no science, nothing resembling brain power.
And the current mavens will have very little voice in how this all goes down. If the product is to reach mass market appeal, then products will have to be created that actually work well, so the masses will buy them. What you see in my comments is with the understanding that this is the direction the market will be headed. There are dozens of reasons why early adopters will hate this.
But it will happen. And it will be fantastic when it does. Because, we are going to save a LOT of lives when we get to that point. A WHOLE LOT of lives... which is why I do this.
Many vapers only care about the one life they save by getting into this... I get that.
I'm working on the trajectory that saves the lives of people I have never even met, and know nothing about, other than the fact that they exist, and they deserve to have products designed that fit their needs.
Simplicity is the key.
I love the white mini! Did Zen upgrade to the P3 connection or was that standard?And here it is...
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See nothing like it on Provape's site now.
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