Oh the Anti's, the ANTI'S!!!

[beecee]

I've been in the same type of conversation with a couple of guys I know and to me it's is just because they don't know what they are talking about.

It's a nicotine delivery system, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. If someone doesn't like it then, oh well.

I've had many more pats on the back for quitting using "whatever works" then I have had people making negative comments about it.

 

[mystal]

because it disables your ability to think rationally

gosh, I wonder How I got through the last 35 years or so...


Some people will never see the light because they would rather be 'better' than others, how rational is that.

 

[FlipnOut]

Not the Americans I know. There are some like that, but they aren't that typically American. In fact, they're more 'typically European socialists-types'.

Really? Seems to me the conservative republicans are the same way... A few examples...

"My Bible says that you shouldn't abort a fetus, I wouldn't kill my fetus, so you shouldn't kill your fetus either, because my Bible says you can't."

"My Bible also says that people shouldn't engage in relations with those who share the same sex. Therefore, since I follow My Bible, you should follow My Bible as well."

And the ultimate in right wing ridiculousness, their current utterance is... "I will not allow those liberals to take over my country, they can't tell me what to do". *A few years later, when their party is back in control, they will again try to pass these laws*.... "Thou shall not kill babies". "Thou shall not get married or have civil unions unless you are of the opposite sex".

All parties simply want everyone to think the same exact way that they do. They call everyone who does not line up with their beliefs directly "immoral". Everyone is trying to force their morals on everyone else. It's a huge problem, and needs to stop.

Personally, as a Libertarian, I say we abolish all laws which do not protect another human being from harm. So long as another's rights are not infringed, it should not be illegal. This country was born as the land of the free, and home of the brave. These days it's the land of the progressives, and the home of the beleaguered.

 

[Vocalek]

Hi all you night-owls! OT: Is there a subforum for the nocturnal vapers? On another note, why does there seem to be a lot of blank space below my posts? Don't know why, it annoys me.

Answering your second question: The white space under your text is necessary to afford sufficient room to display your avatar, which is about twice the height of many others, plus your screen name (which wraps to a second line), plus your location which takes up more than one line.

 

[Kent C]

me: Not the Americans I know. There are some like that, but they aren't that typically American. In fact, they're more 'typically European socialists-types'.


FlipnOut:Really?

Yeah, really.

Seems to me the conservative republicans are the same way... A few examples...

What part of my answer makes you think that I wasn't talking about them too?

Although there are some small gov't conservatives that don't fit your generalization, there is no such thing as a 'small gov't liberal'.

All parties simply want everyone to think the same exact way that they do.

"All parties" would include the Libertarian party.

They call everyone who does not line up with their beliefs directly "immoral". Everyone is trying to force their morals on everyone else. It's a huge problem, and needs to stop.

Personally, as a Libertarian, I say we abolish all laws which do not protect another human being from harm. So long as another's rights are not infringed, it should not be illegal. This country was born as the land of the free, and home of the brave. These days it's the land of the progressives, and the home of the beleaguered.

"Progressives" is too kind - they're sociailists until they don't get cooperation and then they show their true fascist color, as I stated in my other note:

"They "know what's best for everyone" and are willing to force that view upon you - through the full force of gov't if they can manage it, all the while claiming that they are for peace and love. "

 

[techtony]

Take a banjo to work for show and tell or better yet, start listening to bluegrass at work because it "helps you handle the nicotene urges". She'll be begging you to vape in no time.

or zydeco oooh or industrial zydeco, she'd rather have you run her fingernails down the chalk board.

 

[The Man]

I call that abhorrent and incredibly selfish. Now that I've discovered what an awful human being you are, please behave as if you don't know me from now on.

Ditto. I'm always a fan of taking to the next level. on

 

[Madame Psychosis]

Hi all you night-owls! OT: Is there a subforum for the nocturnal vapers?

Interesting thought. I have the weirdest circadian rhythms ever.

I just really hate the holier than thou attitude and the nothing you can say will change my mind. She's the type that works our every day, looks good and knows it.

I try (try) with this type of person to understand that they're putting up a shield against the world this way. It helps me defuse anger.

If someone feels the need to separate him/herself through feeling holier-than-thou, it's an easy way to avoid the vulnerability and moral challenge of feeling genuine compassion, or of changing your views. She's taking a weak cop-out by stonewalling you.

If she doesn't want to discuss it, she might feel like her own views are too brittle to stand against calm, forceful reason. Changing her views would hurt her image, after all.

How miserable and lonely must it be to separate yourself from all of us weak, dependent, complicated, open-minded, interesting human beings like she does...

If you have to talk about it again with her, be gentle and confident.
It's far better to give your opponent in a debate a way to change his/her mind without feeling dumb. Too much confrontation, and you force them to stand their ground -- they won't want to back down. Fighting fire with fire doesn't advance anything -- but if you're a pacifist by nature, then you understand that.

But I agree with Kent -- keep your distance and keep quiet around her if you can.

 

[FlipnOut]

What part of my answer makes you think that I wasn't talking about them too?

The overall generalization of euro elitist soccialists is left leaning, so I had to make sure the "so called" conservatives were called out as well.


Although there are some small gov't conservatives that don't fit your generalization, there is no such thing as a 'small gov't liberal'.

I agree with you there, and don't really see where that was directed? Even as the far right wishes to reduce government, they wish to take away the rights of others.

"All parties" would include the Libertarian party.

This is true as well, great thing about the Libertarian party is that if their beliefs were forced on everyone, then nobody would have anyone's beliefs forced upon them at all.


"Progressives" is too kind - they're sociailists until they don't get cooperation and then they show their true fascist color, as I stated in my other note:

"They "know what's best for everyone" and are willing to force that view upon you - through the full force of gov't if they can manage it, all the while claiming that they are for peace and love. "

Today it's the socialists, fascists, liberals, and "progressives". Give it a few years, it'll be the conservatives, Christian Right and the like. So long as someone gets to force their views on someone else, they're happy.
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[Belhade]

My first thought in reading the OP was "how many espressos did that person drink just delivering that response?".

 

[john doe]

if she drinks diet soda you can give her the exact same argument she gave you except.....
artificial sweeteners take more resources to produce than sugar, they are worse for you than sugar and they taste funny. especially if you see her with a diet soda and a donut or cinnamon roll or some other high fat, high sugar treat.

 

[Kent C]

FlipnOut


The overall generalization of euro elitist soccialists is left leaning, so I had to make sure the "so called" conservatives were called out as well.

I don't think in terms of left/right - if they want to force their version of morality other than natural rights then they're not where I'm at (or you either evidently - we're on the same team here - it's the semantics that makes it look otherwise.)


I agree with you there, and don't really see where that was directed? Even as the far right wishes to reduce government, they wish to take away the rights of others.

Your right here, I should have been more specific - small gov't = constitutional republic in Jefferson terms. There could be a small oppressive gov't, if it didn't uphold individual rights, I agree.

"All parties" would include the Libertarian party. This is true as well, great thing about the Libertarian party is that if their beliefs were forced on everyone, then nobody would have anyone's beliefs forced upon them at all.

This could get long and even more off topic, but to the degree that Libertarians have "beliefs" is to the degree that they fail. But as you mean it, I agree.

"Progressives" is too kind - they're sociailists until they don't get cooperation and then they show their true fascist color, as I stated in my other note:
"They "know what's best for everyone" and are willing to force that view upon you - through the full force of gov't if they can manage it, all the while claiming that they are for peace and love. "
Today it's the socialists, fascists, liberals, and "progressives". Give it a few years, it'll be the conservatives, Christian Right and the like. So long as someone gets to force their views on someone else, they're happy.

To the degree they use force against rights is to the degree they're fascists. That's the top category and all other descriptions can fit into that category - but only if they think that is the solution. What was the religion of fascist Italy? Franco's Spain? Yet there were Christians that were part of the founding here. Some of them fought for freedom from religion as much as they fought for freedom to worship as they pleased. To Jefferson and Madison for example, there wasn't a difference - it was freedom to think - which is more basic than the type of thought or belief.

And, btw, Ron Paul has an "R" after his name. There are a few more like that - not enough ....and none with a D.

 

[kase]

She sounds ugly! LOL

 

[umop apisdn]

Just reply saying, "I have evidence (if you care to see it) backing my side, and you have ignorance and baseless opinions. End of discussion, have a nice day!"

 

[NightNurse]

Personally, I'd switch out the office coffee w/decaf.

Just ignore her, she has PV envy ;-)

 

[thanas1s]

I'm sorry, I would call her a nazi ..... and ask her when the next round up is everytime I saw her. Trust me I work nights at a strip club, I've made alot of stuck up stupid strippers cry when try and talk down to me.

Everyone has an emotional scar, you just have to pick at it till it bleeds.

Yeah man yeah, go for it. And in case she doesn't get it, some good old 'physical' violence is even better. Why have a conversation with someone, go learn kung fu or whtvr and slap that that biatch up, thats the way to go about in life. You can practise on the dog while preparing for a real confrontation too...

sorry man couldnt resist, your reply sounded so stupidly 'macho'-mabbo-bullsh ...

On a more serious note though, going against an anti like that - trying to 'win' the argument - will just make her opinion about smokers / nic addicts even worse which is not what i thing any of us want. hearts-and-minds everyone?

 

[htchhikr]

We both have ignore on right now. I don't vape in the office, but maybe I should start.

I suppose I could send her a link to this thread, but that would REALLY piss her off and she'd probably sue me for copyright infringement or something.

 

[beast775]

that person sounds gross in between the ears.yuck!!

 

[5cardstud]

I'll bet she also has her husband on the calendar for which days he can get frisky.

 

[techtony]

Thanas1s,

Yeah, it was probably a harsh response, I try and show everyone respect until they disrespect me. If it were me I would feel disrespected. I've been fighting with my landlord who forgets that I bought a second hand tub (no reciept stupid me) and she wants to start off the convo with I'm a lier (disrespect) and I'm cheating her (disrespect)out of the money that was agreed to be taken off the rent for the month.