On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[crxess]

This is an excellent thread on nic storage

Long Term Nic Storage

"I have unthinned VG-nic in well-sealed glass in the freezer that is virtually unchanged after 6.75 years. In plastic, especially LDPE, it will oxidize, even in the freezer."

Interesting link. One I have read a few times. No doubt Glass is the most solid Surface material(also most Brittle)

To Clarify - Author refers to LDPE several times - With no reference to time testing.
*LDPE is the Squeezable Cloudy bottles we purchase many e-liquids in and use in Squonk mods.
LDPE (#4) has an o2 permeability of 2.2
HDPE was not referenced in the Topic.
HDPE (#2) and what All of my Nic received in Plastic was in #2 Bottles
HDPE has a Permeability at 77F of 0.3

http://www.faybutler.com/pdf_files/HowHoseMaterialsAffectGas3.pdf

While Glass may offer the highest Resistance over long term - 5-10+ yrs., in large quantities it is not cheap and may not be in everyone's budget. A reasonable compromise may be in calculating (X)years use in Original(Unopened) containers and Longer term Supply Transferred to Glass.
I personally do not want to expose Nicotine to Air any more than absolutely necessary and work from 50ml Jars, sealing between use.

For some of us, at the end of the day, it adds up to would I rather have Nic, or Glass?

anyone willing to go 1/2's on 20 32oz Bottles?

 

[Yiana]

Right now if it is between buying glass bottles for the new nic I receive or buying a few tanks. I'm going with the tanks. I'll buy my glass after August 8th. I don't plan on leaving it in the plastic forever. I use mostly glass for my finished juice but I still have a few plastic bottles also.

 

[coilspotting]

Right now if it is between buying glass bottles for the new nic I receive or buying a few tanks. I'm going with the tanks. I'll buy my glass after August 8th. I don't plan on leaving it in the plastic forever. I use mostly glass for my finished juice but I still have a few plastic bottles also.

Btw we have at least two years before anything will really be affected (and that's assuming none of the pending countermeasures work). So it's not like this August is the end of the world... And even then - this market is just too big to be effectively regulated by the FDA. It's going to take longer (IMHO) to see any substantive changes. The worst effect (IMHO) that is more immediate is the threat of our ability to Vape in peace in our communities as a result of this damning (and scientifically inaccurate) propaganda... Umm, I mean "legislation".

 

[coilspotting]

Right now if it is between buying glass bottles for the new nic I receive or buying a few tanks. I'm going with the tanks. I'll buy my glass after August 8th. I don't plan on leaving it in the plastic forever. I use mostly glass for my finished juice but I still have a few plastic bottles also.

As long as the Vape industry -companies and manufacturers - don't abandon their users, stick together and bring righteous lawsuits (AND put together and comply with their own reasonable and safe self-regulating standards and practices), I think we have a very good chance at overturning this ridiculous FDA rule. Write your congressmonsters, ppl! Get them to work for YOU for a change!

 

[coilspotting]

Nude makes special containers for long term freezing.
Strange they didn't mention...both heat and light affect nicotine negatively.
It turns yellow/brown and gets a peppery taste

Regards,
HazyΩ

Thanks! Dang, and I just placed an order with them. I wonder if the 1L bottles they ship nic in are also ok for long-term freezing?

 

[Yiana]

Yay, Vape Happy still had STM on sale for $9.99. I just picked up two of those babies. Making four that I have now. Time for bed.

 

[xwarp]

Yay, Vape Happy still had STM on sale for $9.99. I just picked up two of those babies. Making four that I have now. Time for bed.

I just received two that I ordered over last weekend and I believe they are either the 1st version. The RBA's do not have added holes in the side.

 

[xwarp]

I've got 3 liters of 100mg/ml nic in 100% VG.
I use 80vg/20pg.
I'm looking to get another liter or two.
Should I get 100% pg?

 

[coilspotting]

I've got 3 liters of 100mg/ml nic in 100% VG.
I use 80vg/20pg.
I'm looking to get another liter or two.
Should I get 100% pg?

I got my 100 mg/ml in PG because I also use 80/20 (6mg/ml juice) and the amount of nic liquid will be so small it won't come out to more than my 20%, or even close. Plus PG is less viscous and should be easier to handle right out of the freezer.

 

[coilspotting]

and long before that,........ Bulletin Boards

I was there, dude. I loved those old BBSs. Sysops ruled the world back then. Kinda like moderators do now lol!

 

[HazyShades]

Thanks! Dang, and I just placed an order with them. I wonder if the 1L bottles they ship nic in are also ok for long-term freezing?

No bro, well you apparently didn't buy the special deal,
but you can still freeze it
this is probably what you got : 100mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine
you probably paid $105 for a liter of 100mg/ml, which if everything is as it was will probably come in two 500 ml bottles.

This is the special stick it in the freezer for years deal,
Armor V3
Nude Armor V3 - Nude Nicotine
which would cost you $115.00 for a liter of 100mg/ml

the only difference is the container is heavy duty and self sealing,
you stick your hypo with blunt tip needle in the top, suck up the nic and it seals itself sort of like the air intake on a football..or basketball

You can wrap up the stuff you got, put in the ammo box you guys have been discussing
and stick it in the freezer just like I did with my 500ml of the same nic you got

Thanks for adding me to your buds list. Ω
Best Regards,
Hazy

 

[coilspotting]

Yay, Vape Happy still had STM on sale for $9.99. I just picked up two of those babies. Making four that I have now. Time for bed.

Do you have the link? I'm on their site and can't find it...

 

[coilspotting]

No bro, well you apparently didn't buy the special deal,
but you can still freeze it
this is probably what you got : 100mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine
you probably paid $105 for a liter of 100mg/ml, which if everything is as it was will probably come in two 500 ml bottles.

This is the special stick it in the freezer for years deal,
Armor V3
Nude Armor V3 - Nude Nicotine
which would cost you $115.00 for a liter of 100mg/ml

the only difference is the container is heavy duty and self sealing,
you stick your hypo with blunt tip needle in the top, suck up the nic and it seals itself sort of like the air intake on a football..or basketball

You can wrap up the stuff you got, put in the ammo box you guys have been discussing
and stick it in the freezer just like I did with my 500ml of the same nic you got

Thanks for adding me to your buds list. Ω
Best Regards,
Hazy

Thanks @HazyShades for the link. I raise sheep (i do all my own non-emergency vet work) and am very familiar with the self-sealing top. I was just wishing today that someone sold nic using those tops!

 

[HazyShades]

Thanks @HazyShades for the link. I raise sheep (i do all my own non-emergency vet work) and am very familiar with the self-sealing top. I was just wishing today that someone sold nic using those tops!

Cool..a sheep man.
My usenet nick was Baba and I have 2 plastic toy sheep in front of the monitor..LOL

See, they do have the self sealing tops..You could always transfer your nic to one of those neat containers..maybe..or just the self sealing cap if it fits..
I trained attack dogs for years, had to help do the non emergency deal on over 200 dogs.
So I'm hip, your gig takes a lot of dedication.

Be good, and feel free to message me if you think I can be of any assistance or you just wanna shoot the bull. LOL, Morpheus is calling me..time for some shuteye
Regards,
Hazy

 

[coilspotting]

No bro, well you apparently didn't buy the special deal,
but you can still freeze it
this is probably what you got : 100mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine
you probably paid $105 for a liter of 100mg/ml, which if everything is as it was will probably come in two 500 ml bottles.

This is the special stick it in the freezer for years deal,
Armor V3
Nude Armor V3 - Nude Nicotine
which would cost you $115.00 for a liter of 100mg/ml

the only difference is the container is heavy duty and self sealing,
you stick your hypo with blunt tip needle in the top, suck up the nic and it seals itself sort of like the air intake on a football..or basketball

You can wrap up the stuff you got, put in the ammo box you guys have been discussing
and stick it in the freezer just like I did with my 500ml of the same nic you got

Thanks for adding me to your buds list. Ω
Best Regards,
Hazy

ORDERED! BOOM!!! Since I placed the prev order about 12 hours ago, I'm hoping they'll do the switch on the old one for me, so both will come in Armor version. Then straight into the freezer they'll go! Thanks so much!!

 

[xwarp]

Do you have the link? I'm on their site and can't find it...

KANGER SUBTANK Mini – VAPEHAPPY

 

[mikepetro]

Can I ask where did you buy this freezer? I have a friend who wants a locked upright one since she has so many grandkids that come to her house.

I got it for $199 at a scratch and dent place.

Scratch and Dent Medical Appliances

 

[HazyShades]

ORDERED! BOOM!!! Since I placed the prev order about 12 hours ago, I'm hoping they'll do the switch on the old one for me, so both will come in Armor version. Then straight into the freezer they'll go! Thanks so much!!

You're very welcome, fellow traveler.
I'm off to jam with the Sandman.
Regards,
Hazy

 

[coilspotting]

Cool..a sheep man.
My usenet nick was Baba and I have 2 plastic toy sheep in front of the monitor..LOL

See, they do have the self sealing tops..You could always transfer your nic to one of those neat containers..maybe..or just the self sealing cap if it fits..
I trained attack dogs for years, had to help do the non emergency deal on over 200 dogs.
So I'm hip, your gig takes a lot of dedication.

Be good, and feel free to message me if you think I can be of any assistance or you just wanna shoot the bull. LOL, Morpheus is calling me..time for some shuteye
Regards,
Hazy

Actually, I'm a sheep lady
Will def look you up (after I count some sheep). Thanks again for the awesome help. FTW!!

 

[coilspotting]

KANGER SUBTANK Mini – VAPEHAPPY

THANK YOU !! I have NO idea how I missed it - the ads were everywhere lol!