On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

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There are far too many who would not take the proper precautions.

This is so true it hurts. I see it all over the place not just with vaping. People do stuff without research and then when it goes south they put the blame on what they were doing and not with themselves. They would blame the nic and not the fact they didn't take proper precautions. Or they would blame the forum.
 

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This is so true it hurts. I see it all over the place not just with vaping. People do stuff without research and then when it goes south they put the blame on what they were doing and not with themselves. They would blame the nic and not the fact they didn't take proper precautions. Or they would blame the forum.

As in lawsuits...
 

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I've seen a bunch of ideas on building mods, but can't recall seeing anything on building toppers. Has anyone done this? The tanks I have seen would be a whole lot of difficult work on a lathe, plus milling and drilling. And all those fiddly insulators parts on the deck.
There are a few crude atty plans scattered about, like making a carto out of a syringe body, but beyond that attys usually require machinist skills and equipment.

Consequently I bought 18 of the exact same type atty. I chose the Armomamizer V2 as I know it will satisfy me. You can build it tootle, or you can build it cloud chaser, and anywhere in between. It is also a simple and robust SS design. I bought extra glass, o-rings, etc for them.

Like someone else here said, by sticking with one design, it makes future repair easier. Same spare parts fit everything.
 

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The Vapeageddon Mod built by @laurie9300
All with off the shelf parts (Australia though).

Build Log: The Vapergeddon Mech Mod.pdf

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There are a few crude atty plans scattered about, like making a carto out of a syringe body, but beyond that attys usually require machinist skills and equipment.

That's what I thought. I once saw an ad for a small hobby lathe, with mill and drill attachments, for around $600. It was a while back but from my recollection of reading the feedback it sounded like it might not have the degree of precision you would need to make atties. And even if you spent the money and got something really classy, there are so many surfaces to shape. And if you had to learn the metalworking skills as you went it would be a major deal.

Consequently I bought 18 of the exact same type atty. I chose the Armomamizer V2 as I know it will satisfy me. You can build it tootle, or you can build it cloud chaser, and anywhere in between. It is also a simple and robust SS design. I bought extra glass, o-rings, etc for them.

Like someone else here said, by sticking with one design, it makes future repair easier. Same spare parts fit everything.

I got 8 Lemos for the same reasons.

I also got 6 regular PT2's and 8 minis. I just like Protanks, especially for out and about. They are really cheap these days. You can rebuild the heads for ever if you have a big bag of insulators.

Lots of spares for everything. Life is good.
 
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Lots of spares for everything. Life is good.
Life will go on -- for those like us who are prepared.

But I don't think life is going to be "good" for the the majority of vapers who who are either oblivious to what's going on, or the smaller number who are now counting on Congress or the courts to fix this mess. :(
 

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That's what I thought. I once saw an ad for a small hobby lathe, with mill and drill attachments, for around $600. It was a while back but from my recollection of reading the feedback it sounded like it might not have the degree of precision you would need to make atties. And even if you spent the money and got something really classy, there are so many surfaces to shape. And if you had to learn the metalworking skills as you went it would be a major deal.



I got 8 Lemos for the same reasons.

I also got 6 regular PT2's and 8 minis. I just like Protanks, especially for out and about. They are really cheap these days. You can rebuild the heads for ever if you have a big bag of insulators.

Lots of spares for everything. Life is good.
Were can i get a bag of insulators?
 

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This is so true it hurts. I see it all over the place not just with vaping. People do stuff without research and then when it goes south they put the blame on what they were doing and not with themselves. They would blame the nic and not the fact they didn't take proper precautions. Or they would blame the forum.
60mg of nic is considered a potentially FATAL oral dose for human adults, about 120mg is considered a potentially fatal dermal (skin contact) dose. To put it in perspective 60mg is less than 1ml of 100mg nic.

This stuff is not a joke! "the toxicity of nicotine is similar to or even higher than that of cyanide"

It is also easily absorbed through the skin. While a couple of drops of 100mg on your skin wont kill you, dont underestimate this stuff!

Wear your PPE.
 

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Hey can anyone explain what the rationale is for when threads are closed by the admins? I've run into quite a few threads that are archived this way, but which don't seem to have any obvious reason for being so. Sorry for the noob question; just trying to figure it out... Many of these archived conversations seemed healthy and ongoing.
Thanks!
Awesome information and everyone should print and file this for future use.
Great of you to share it!
AGREE!! Thank you for sharing - this looks awesome!
 

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Hey can anyone explain what the rationale is for when threads are closed by the admins? I've run into quite a few threads that are archived this way, but which don't seem to have any obvious reason for being so. Sorry for the noob question; just trying to figure it out... Many of these archived conversations seemed healthy and ongoing.
The forum software automatically closes threads after some period or inactivity. I think it might be 90 days.
 
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60mg of nic is considered a potentially FATAL oral dose for human adults, about 120mg is considered a potentially fatal dermal (skin contact) dose. To put it in perspective 60mg is less than 1ml of 100mg nic.

This stuff is not a joke! "the toxicity of nicotine is similar to or even higher than that of cyanide"

It is also easily absorbed through the skin. While a couple of drops of 100mg on your skin wont kill you, dont underestimate this stuff!

Wear your PPE.
Call me a ....., but I confess I'm more than a little intimidated by handling 200mg+ nicotine. But needs must, so had already been researching protective gear - now taking to a new level (for the $259 solution). I also bought a locking freezer. I had to get a chest freezer anyway - recent developments convinced me of the need of a good locking one.

You're 100% correct - the potential risks to handling hazardous materials (and at higher strengths nic certainly qualifies) can't be underestimated.
 
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Interesting.
Considering that firmware downloads can be considered tobacco products, it's certainly possible.
I wonder what this means for all the YouTube videos showing how to build coils and mix juice?
The deeming regs are so (deliberately) vague that it could cause problems for those too.
Any such information should be protected by the First Amendment, but I'm sure the FDA won't let a silly thing like the Constitution get in the way.
I don't personally think censoring the Internet is a viable option for the government at this point. Active and highly influential organizations like the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) fight this fight every day and there would be a huge backlash if they tried. You can find out how to process raw opium into ......, make bombs, hack everything, etc on the Net. Bothering ppl making Vape hardware isn't going to happen. But you should all avidly support the EFF if you care about Internet freedom, privacy, and neutrality/access. For more info see eff.org.
 

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Rebottling really is a good idea, if for no other reason than breaking down the quantities.

I put mine in the 50mL bottles Kent recommended (54-55 mL, really). By my math, each bottle is a 2 1/2 - 3 month supply.

If I am going to have a mishap, I'll lose a 3 month supply, at most.

How are you to feel if you drop or spill a bottle, and lose a 4 year supply in a single slip-up?

ETA: not to mention the freshness factor of only taking a bottle out of the freezer and exposing it to new O2 one time.
Then, when that one is used up, taking out another.

I already have smaller bottles broken down. These are for the long haul. Hopefully won't have to open for at least 10 years.
 

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60mg of nic is considered a potentially FATAL oral dose for human adults, about 120mg is considered a potentially fatal dermal (skin contact) dose. To put it in perspective 60mg is less than 1ml of 100mg nic.

This stuff is not a joke! "the toxicity of nicotine is similar to or even higher than that of cyanide"

It is also easily absorbed through the skin. While a couple of drops of 100mg on your skin wont kill you, dont underestimate this stuff!

Wear your PPE.
Then there is this: Nicotine lethal dose in humans: a common argument by regulatory authorities, based on poor science
 

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Hey can anyone explain what the rationale is for when threads are closed by the admins? I've run into quite a few threads that are archived this way, but which don't seem to have any obvious reason for being so. Sorry for the noob question; just trying to figure it out... Many of these archived conversations seemed healthy and ongoing.

Modding became a little controversial a while back. A lot of it was "political" for lack of a better word. You have to consider that there are a lot of careless people out there, who dont educate themselves and just do things blindly. ECF has a responsibility to cover themselves from the potential liability of somebody doing something stupid because they read it here, or posting something stupid. Just because I, or anybody else, posts a pretty picture dosent mean that it is safe or wise.

Some "conflict of interest" issues also came into play. If a Modder "sells" mods, they are technically considered a "Supplier". Suppliers have a different set of rules they must live by here.

The rules are what they are. While I may not agree with some of them, they are a condition of being able to use this Forum. Just like a post of mine got edited earlier this morning, it was in violation of the rules, and I cant deny that, shame on me.

As a last note, "let sleeping dogs lie" and make the most of all the valuable stuff that is available here.
 

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