On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

[coilspotting]

I made about 100 of above kits for ECF folks, they are no longer available but you can d/l plans for the enclosure here:
Evolv Reference mod Files:
IGES Files - DNA200CaseIGES.zip
Solidworks 2015 Files - DNA200Case.zip
I took the above plans and slightly enlarged the case to hold a larger battery.

Here is a set of instructions I made on how to slap it all together:
ERM+BuildGuide.pdf

This is killer. And exactly what I'm hoping for / talking about in my wistful DIY hardware forum pleas. Thank you so much for sharing, @mikepetro

 

[coilspotting]

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Modding became a little controversial a while back. A lot of it was "political" for lack of a better word. You have to consider that there are a lot of careless people out there, who dont educate themselves and just do things blindly. ECF has a responsibility to cover themselves from the potential liability of somebody doing something stupid because they read it here, or posting something stupid. Just because I, or anybody else, posts a pretty picture dosent mean that it is safe or wise.

Some "conflict of interest" issues also came into play. If a Modder "sells" mods, they are technically considered a "Supplier". Suppliers have a different set of rules they must live by here.

The rules are what they are. While I may not agree with some of them, they are a condition of being able to use this Forum. Just like a post of mine got edited earlier this morning, it was in violation of the rules, and I cant deny that, shame on me.

As a last note, "let sleeping dogs lie" and make the most of all the valuable stuff that is available here.

Thanks very much for the history. For better or worse, I've never been good at ignoring sleeping dogs (even when I've had every intention of doing so), but I'll try. Sticking my foot in it is pretty much par for the course. It's a gift.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

This is so true it hurts. I see it all over the place not just with vaping. People do stuff without research and then when it goes south they put the blame on what they were doing and not with themselves. They would blame the nic and not the fact they didn't take proper precautions. Or they would blame the forum.

Respectfully disagree. This is EXACTLY the same ideology that compels the FDA. "We must be protected from ourselves".

The horrible advice being dispensed at most B&M's is a far bigger threat than the forum user who has ALREADY pre-qualified themselves as being willing and capable of research, just in having found THIS place.

 

[coilspotting]

I hope you're right!

Let me explain this to you.

The energy will go around the outside of the Steel ammo can. Rubber acts as an insulator to keep the energy from getting to the electronik gear inside.

 

[coilspotting]

Respectfully disagree. This is EXACTLY the same ideology that compels the FDA. "We must be protected from ourselves".

The horrible advice being dispensed at most B&M's is a far bigger threat than the forum user who has ALREADY pre-qualified themselves as being willing and capable of research, just in having found THIS place.

Based on some of the truly irresponsible advice I've seen and received at B&Ms, I fully agree. For example, selling an unregulated mech mod to a totally noob user without even a nod to explaining how ohms law works in practical application, or even a crash course in battery safety. All that mattered was the sale, and moving on to the next person.

In contrast, there's a guy at my local who regularly takes as much time as needed to explain everything - especially safety issues (whether the customer wants to hear it or not lol!) - and recommends ECF to every customer, as far as I can tell. The whole shop is like this, and that's why I support them. But sadly there seem to be a lot more of the former than the latter out there.

 

[coilspotting]

Sure...

5x Kayfun Lite Plus
5x King mod
5x Kayfun spare base
5x Kayfun spare chimney
5x Kayfun spare tank
10x Stainless drip tip
5x Brass drip tip
1 Liter 100mg nicotine

The only 'frivolous' purchase among these is the brass drip tips to match my Caravela clone.

The reason I chose the Kayfun is that I am a tootle puffer, and the Kayfun is an older and well-understood tank design.
This means that there is plenty of info and spare parts available.
Also, the Kayfuns have a plastic tank and an optional steel tank.
I normally prefer glass, but polycarbonate is much less likely to break, and I have the steel tanks for when I break all the plastic ones.

The spare bases and chimneys will allow me to make 'cartridges' - prebuilt coils that can be carried around as spares.

The King mod is an older design, and thus inexpensive. It is also very robust, having thick body tube wall thickness.
I'm getting the stainless steel ones, as brass and copper are too soft for a mod that may have to last several years.



I do like regulated mods, but they are an unknown quantity.
They may last for years, or they may fail in weeks.
One unlucky drop could kill a regulated mod.
Mechanical mods are less 'user friendly', but with care could last almost indefinitely.

The reason that I have bought several identical items is to allow the possibility of making one good item from two broken ones.
Unless all of my gear happens to fail in the same way, I'll be able to cannibalize parts to fix breakages.

I also have the option of using my metal lathe to make replacement parts, but that obviously doesn't apply to most people.
Using the lathe is a last resort really, because it's more difficult and time consuming than most people realize to make something like a mech mod on a manual lathe.
Although I could make a mech mod from scratch on my lathe, I'd MUCH rather spend $10 now on a spare mod than have to spend hours boring out tubes and single-pointing internal threads.

Sundries such as wire, o rings, PG, VG, food flavorings etc will still be available, so I'm concentrating on the other stuff for now.

I vape approximately 3.5ml of 12mg juice per day, but I intend to step down my nicotine over the next year or so, so I'm expecting my nicotine to last ten to twelve years.

Thank you so much! Great info

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Based on some of the truly irresponsible advice I've seen and received at B&Ms, I fully agree. For example, selling an unregulated mech mod to a totally noob user without even a nod to explaining how ohms law works in practical application, or even a crash course in battery safety. All that mattered was the sale, and moving on to the next person.

In contrast, there's a guy at my local who regularly takes as much time as needed to explain everything - especially safety issues (whether the customer wants to hear it or not lol!) - and recommends ECF to every customer, as far as I can tell. The whole shop is like this, and that's why I support them. But sadly there seem to be a lot more of the former than the latter out there.

Oh yeah, not just mechanic (which most of us survived), but direct to battery HYBRIDS! To noobs! SMFH...

 

[coilspotting]

Absolute troof. I realized how much I was overthinking it after a big tank of 24mg came apart in my lap shortly into a 12 hour car ride. If 8 hours of exposure to 24mg doesn't make you sick.. and I own a Haz Mat environmental company. Really, the contact issue is filled with fear, while nobody really talks about ventilation. The vapors of high strength nic are POTENT, man! If I had to choose, I'd go for the open window over the gloves. Not that anyone has to choose.

Yeah I'm planning to rebottle/dilute outside in the loafing shed (after locking up the sheep and the dogs lol)

 

[coilspotting]

There are several pages full of stuff on Shapeways, not sure how the deeming might affect this though. Very possible Shapeways may have to pull this stuff soon though, so they dont get considered to be a Tobacco Manufacturer.

DNA200 - Shapeways 3D Printing Search Results

I believe the rule is that you have to be selling a completed, ready-to-use object (not plans for an object, and not even parts UNLESS the stated and ONLY, SPECIFIC use of the part is for vaping) to be even remotely vulnerable to the new regs. My belief is based on the following video interview with Dr. Michael Siegel: IMHO It's the best and most concise explanation of the implications of the very (intentionally) obscure and complex regs.

 

[coilspotting]

I've seen a bunch of ideas on building mods, but can't recall seeing anything on building toppers. Has anyone done this? The tanks I have seen would be a whole lot of difficult work on a lathe, plus milling and drilling. And all those fiddly insulators parts on the deck.

I would think that making molds to make various composites and resin-based toppers would be pretty straightforward (3D printed molds would be cool...). SS ones, though - that'll be trickier. I'm thinking the hardware store for off-label uses of random spare parts for that one!

 

[coilspotting]

LOVE IT! Thanks for reposting!

The Vapeageddon Mod built by @laurie9300
All with off the shelf parts (Australia though).

Build Log: The Vapergeddon Mech Mod.pdf

 

[clnire]

Were can i get a bag of insulators?

I get kanger bottom coil insulators at Clone Cores. Www.clonecores.com I think is the website. On my phone or would post a direct link. Lightning Vapes also carries all parts for them but a little more $.

 

[leftyandsparky]

I get kanger bottom coil insulators at Clone Cores. Www.clonecores.com I think is the website. On my phone or would post a direct link. Lightning Vapes also carries all parts for them but a little more $.

Thanks!

 

[mattiem]

I get kanger bottom coil insulators at Clone Cores. Www.clonecores.com I think is the website. On my phone or would post a direct link. Lightning Vapes also carries all parts for them but a little more $.

Oh no they are out of stock I sure hope they are going to restock them. I bought 100 of them a couple a months ago but you can never have to many.

They do have the silicon ones in stock but I prefer the rubber ones.

 

[YoursTruli]

Were can i get a bag of insulators?

$2.25 Rubber Insulation Rings for eGo Batteries (50-Pack) 50-pack - grey at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Hence I used the word "considered".

Regardless, I dont want to find out what it truly is, I will wear my PPE.

Plus body mass, tolerance and health of the person handling this is also a consideration. Just because one person does not experience any effects from some 100mg/ml nic on their skin does not mean no one will.

 

[englishmick]

Were can i get a bag of insulators?

Lightning Vapes. I got 100 for $35 recently. You can get every part of the PT2 heads separately. You can also get packs of disassembled complete heads. I got a bag of them way back. Quite cheap. I figured the insulators are the most likely parts to need replacing. You can use them several times but after a few uses they get burnt where the wires go through, and they can tear when you take them out, especially after they get old. The silicone cups that go on the top get discoloured but I don't think that stops them working. I did get a few just in case. Might be worth having a few of the tiny washers that fit on the bottom of the main body. Other than that I think the parts will last forever. The place where the chimney fits in got loose on a couple of mine. That might be a problem eventually, but I've been using them for over a year and they still work fine.

 

[englishmick]

Oh no they are out of stock I sure hope they are going to restock them. I bought 100 of them a couple a months ago but you can never have to many.

They do have the silicon ones in stock but I prefer the rubber ones.

The stock coils come with rubber insulators. I tried the silicone and I reckon they are better. The rubber eventually gets hard and inflexible from exposure to heat so they likely won't last as long.

 

[Two_Bears]

Rebottling really is a good idea, if for no other reason than breaking down the quantities.

I put mine in the 50mL bottles Kent recommended (54-55 mL, really). By my math, each bottle is a 2 1/2 - 3 month supply.

If I am going to have a mishap, I'll lose a 3 month supply, at most.

How are you to feel if you drop or spill a bottle, and lose a 4 year supply in a single slip-up?

ETA: not to mention the freshness factor of only taking a bottle out of the freezer and exposing it to new O2 one time. Then, when that one is used up, taking out another.

Back when i used nic i broke the 1000 ml bottles into 8 120 ml bottles, and the extra went into the nic bottle i was using.

 

[Two_Bears]

IMHO, the single thing that degrades nic the most is exposure to air. Every time you open the bottle you are letting more air in. It is far better to store multiple small bottles than one large one. Nudenic's V2 packaging being a possible exception.

I recommend storing nic in bottles small enough for a few months consumption. Then just pull one bottle at a time out of the freezer and work on it until its gone.

For example, if storing 100mg nic, instead of storing a 1 liter bottle, break it down in smaller 60ml bottles. That way you are only exposing 60ml to air when you open it, instead of exposing your whole liter to air.

Thats why i broke my nic into 4 fl Oz bottles. When the bottle ivwas using was down to 1/2-1 fl Oz i grabbed another bottle out of tge freezer and set on tge counter to warm up.

 

[mattiem]

The stock coils come with rubber insulators. I tried the silicone and I reckon they are better. The rubber eventually gets hard and inflexible from exposure to heat so they likely won't last as long.

I am sure the silicon will last longer but it has been my experience that they are to soft thus allow the center pin to push in to far. I found that I had to pull the pin a tiny bit each time I replaced my topper after refilling. That is why I prefer the rubber ones. BTW: When clonecore has them in stock they have them for $7.99 + $1.99 shipping for 50. That is the best price I have found.