On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
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I took a look at another vaping forum and most everybody there is saying there's no reason to stock up and nothing is going to change for two years. There is little if any acknowledgement of Pennsylvania's drastic tax. I consider that somewhat dangerous for the uninformed.
I may be more prepared than some, but things are definitely changing and I hope everybody here on ECF makes an informed decision about whether and what to stock up on. For me, most of what I really like is becoming or has become "obsolete", so I had no choice but to stock it up some time ago.
The good news is that there are simply great deals on equipment and supplies remain very reasonable. A person who wants to hedge their bet can spend a hundred or two dollars and be set for a few years. If nothing else, the cost of vaping will be going up for most vapers.
Different strokes for different folks.
I may be more prepared than some, but things are definitely changing and I hope everybody here on ECF makes an informed decision about whether and what to stock up on. For me, most of what I really like is becoming or has become "obsolete", so I had no choice but to stock it up some time ago.
The good news is that there are simply great deals on equipment and supplies remain very reasonable. A person who wants to hedge their bet can spend a hundred or two dollars and be set for a few years. If nothing else, the cost of vaping will be going up for most vapers.
Different strokes for different folks.
Yep, most of my stash is older gear that I got for insane prices, example 3 good quality tube mods for $5 each, a dozen RDA'S for $2-$3 each. I did double and triple up on my favorite gear.
I have zero intention of quitting vaping nor pay their extortion.
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This ^ exactly.
Overheard on a hike sometime in 2036:
Someone - "Remember back when that vaping thing happened and the FDA killed it and everyone thought it could never die? How sad that they went back to smoking."
75 year old me - "Yeah, that sucked for them,"
Takes a huge 70W toke of 3mg DIY Butterscotch off a new 2016 Aromamizer V1/V2 frankentank with a new 2016 blue glass on a new 2016 green/black RX200.
"too bad we couldn't get more people to fight it."
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There is no right or wrong definition of stocking up. Everyone needs to decide what makes sense for them. I am fine with (mostly) old tech. So picking up things on clearance now works. There's lots of MTL Tootle Puffer gear going for cheap lately, and most of the new things aren't as suitable. On the other hand, I haven't stocked up on wire. I don't go through it that fast really, and I think it will still be readily available after deeming.
That being said, my new chest freezer arrives on Thursday! Not really a vape related purchase, I needed it regardless, but the deeming pushed the timing up slightly.
That being said, my new chest freezer arrives on Thursday! Not really a vape related purchase, I needed it regardless, but the deeming pushed the timing up slightly.
Ditto. Thing is, I see no reason why the gear I use won't last for the rest of my life. Simple is good, and vaping doesn't get any simpler than mechanical bottom-feeding mods and bottom-fed RDAs. I've felt no need to chase a better vape for over a year now, so I have absolutely no worries about my gear becoming "obsolete" either.unfortunately, the stuff I use is not made in China
Maybe it's because that kind of thinking would require:
1. that there are indeed people going "completely overboard", (which means I must've missed the part where it was stated what the right amount for anyone else to be stocking up...actually is)!
2. a really big pair of kahunas and/or a superior attitude...for 1 adult to tell other adults when they should stop buying things!
3. the decision to be made NOT to say anything to them, (not because it's none of anyone's business what other people buy), but because we might need them & their "stuff" in the future. I would hope no one on here feels that way about the rest of us.
Hopefully, it's because: We don't know anyone else's vaping situation (their nic level, how many mL a day they vape, their preferred hardware, if they're vaping MTL or DL vaping, how many more years he/she plans to be vaping, etc.). We don't know their personal financial situation. Don't know whom, or how many others, they're actually buying for when they post about their purchases. But instead...we know this - Everyone on here is supposed to be of adult age, of reasonably sound mind, and capable of making decisions for themselves. So it's not our business how much or how little of anything someone else buys!
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Similar situation here, just different gear. Putting together an Insurance Stash doesnt need to be complex.
I am perfectly content using an Aromamizer v2 on a DNA200, have not felt the need to pursue anything else. In fact, I coil the Aromamizer somewhat conservatively, without a doubt I can coil it more aggressively if needed.
So I simply stocked up on Aromamizers, BTW it is easy to put together spare parts for just one type of atty.
Settled on a very robust DNA200 enclosure. Again, putting together spare parts for just a single enclosure design was easy.
Threw some nic in the freezer and now I am all set.
Winter is coming, I am ready.....
The FDA and State legislatures have very clearly communicated that things are going to change, and not for the better. My crystal ball is cracked so I really dont know how bad it will get, but the potential risk is evident, so I chose to take out an insurance policy against that risk.
This whole thing is about "tolerance for risk". I buy Home/Auto/Health insurance to hedge against risk, stocking up on vape supplies is no different. Everyone's tolerance for risk is different, and it is a personal decision. I dont fault anyone's decision on if, what, or how much, to stock.
We here on the forums are more fortunate than most, at least we can make informed decisions. The vast majority of the vaping public is not as well informed.
In the past few days I'm having trouble imagining what the future may hold if the day comes that I can't simply go to the computer and easily order whatever vaping supply I think I need or want. Having to rely solely on what's in my stash is a bit scary even for someone like me with a large stash. I'm not going to be in danger of not being able to vape, but at the same time when something I really like can't be used anymore for whatever reason neither will I be able to simply replenish it again. I've vaped long enough to know that stuff happens that can stop you from using what you like when you least expect it to.
As much as I think I've prepared I realize that there is no way I can prepare for every possible repair need. As an example: I have two Reo's and many parts for them that could someday be needed to repair them. Sunday night I lost one of the magnets holding the door. I have no spares. Thought I was totally prepared for Reo repairs, but found out, nope I wasn't.
And no, Fasttech doesn't sell that size magnet. lol. Yes, I can find them elseware they aren't Reo specific, but it reminded me that's not going to be the case with everything I may find myself in need of.
As much as I think I've prepared I realize that there is no way I can prepare for every possible repair need. As an example: I have two Reo's and many parts for them that could someday be needed to repair them. Sunday night I lost one of the magnets holding the door. I have no spares. Thought I was totally prepared for Reo repairs, but found out, nope I wasn't.
And no, Fasttech doesn't sell that size magnet. lol. Yes, I can find them elseware they aren't Reo specific, but it reminded me that's not going to be the case with everything I may find myself in need of.
At first I had that same mindset, then I read someone's post to stock up before the States follow the Feds (with ridiculous regulations and taxes). Living in PA, I'm very happy I took that advice, I'm lucky enough that I could afford to pay that 40% tax on vape supplies, but I'd much rather not. It gives me a feeling of pride to know that I am self-sufficient enough to go 5+ years, I feel like I'm sticking it to "the man."
That's just it........No one has been telling anyone they're going completely overboard (depending on what ones' definition of overboard is) yet to those who aren't shopping like crazy, they (IMO) get attacked like they're the ones' who are doing it wrong or told they're going to burn in a heap of cigarette ashes & that's just wrong on so many levels & it needs to stop.I'm taking a middle ground on stocking as well but one thing to note... I like how no one is telling the people going completely overboard that they should stop. We might really need those forum friends in the future.
Not everyone needs 365 mods & 12 lifetimes worth of pre-built coils, orings, & screws.
And for whatever reason, many people have no interest or need to DIY'g.
Many of you are buying things simply because it's cheap & not because you have a need for it.
Here's the problem as I see it:
Even with rose-colored glasses on, and we are lucky enough that they backdate the deeming regs to 2007, "they" are determined to kill vaping as we know it. So PA passes a 40% ex post facto tax bill, so that both the vaper pays a retail tax, and the vape shop pays a 40% tax on all existing inventory, how long do you think it might be before the Feds impose their own tax?
Even with rose-colored glasses on, and we are lucky enough that they backdate the deeming regs to 2007, "they" are determined to kill vaping as we know it. So PA passes a 40% ex post facto tax bill, so that both the vaper pays a retail tax, and the vape shop pays a 40% tax on all existing inventory, how long do you think it might be before the Feds impose their own tax?
You know, there's nothing to stop us from sending another boardie a little "surprise package" a couple times a year. Kind of like a "Secret Vaping Pal" kind of thing, like some do where they work at Xmas time, or within a group of friends...with a "Secret Santa" event. Wouldn't have to be anything big nor expensive...just something vape related!
I'd take part in it later!
Going rude because I refuse to spend $3000 on not needed things? Or you just trying to make me laugh? I really enjoy meeting some ECF members.
Send it as a crocheting package. Include a LBS, Kanthal and some Muji pads!You know, there's nothing to stop us from sending another boardie a little "surprise package" a couple times a year. Kind of like a "Secret Vaping Pal" kind of thing, like some do where they work at Xmas time, or within a group of friends...with a "Secret Santa" event. Wouldn't have to be anything big nor expensive...just something vape related!
I'd take part in it later!
I see. You are unlucky one...unfortunately, the stuff I use is not made in China
EDIT: just in case... It was a joke.
REALLY! To each their own folks.
I stocked my supply with clones and authentics. No way did I spend $3,000. Maybe 4-5 hundred including a liter of nic. I have 12-14 devices and 12- toppers aside from the current stuff in rotation. If that dwindles down and I cannot get more I will quit vaping. NEVER going back to cigs. No habit ever has me that bad.
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