On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
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I wonder if the delays in the deeming process have lulled us into complacency so that vapers may overlook getting the nic choked off. All the news programs announce this as being only about smoking, and it will likely get widespread support.
And, as mentioned in the article this provides them a plausible excuse to only approve closed systems.
They've been talking about wanting only closed systems - and this nicotine regulation thing they are considering is an open door for them.
Well, the goal is keep nic in vaping but not in cigarettes. If you approach that by limiting "raw" nicotine solutions to prevent flood from boosting their smokes, then it's either only allow licensed vendors to purchase nicotine to make vape juice and /or allow only closed systems.
Glad I've got 3 liters of nicotine stashed away. May be adding more in case I live longer than I expect to.
Glad I've got 3 liters of nicotine stashed away. May be adding more in case I live longer than I expect to.
Big pharma and tobacco must be licking their chops. Low nic smokes retaining all the other chemicals. I'm sure both parties are happy to redefine the problem as nicotine addiction, not smoking.
I have a few liters of 100mg plus a bit of higher concentrate. Feels like not quite enough.
Exactly. By making the issue about "nicotine" and focusing the public's attention on combustible "cigarettes" they'll get -widespread- support. Once adopted they could easily apply the same restrictions to vaping since it legally falls under the "tobacco product" umbrella. Underhanded and sneaky, but that's the way the U.S. government does things and it works.
I Don't think there is any Wondering about it.
You been around for just about all of the FDA saga. And you have seen the Diminishing Levels of Concern with each subsequent run up to a FDA Deadline/Compliance Date.
And how Vaper's were crying in the aisles for two days after NicoPure got trashed in Federal Court. Only to be thrown a Lifeline when Gottlieb released his now Famous statement regarding "ENDS".
Also... Ya know how there is that Attitude with Non-Smokers when a Cigarette Tax Hike is proposed? That since I Don't Smoke, I Don't Care - None of this Effects Me attitude. I think a lot of that has set in to with Pre 2016 Vapers.
Not that Vapers don't Vape. It's just once many People gets 10+ Years of Nicotine in there Frig, that None of this Effects Me thing can start to become dominate.
There is truth to that - as we veteran vapers stocked up, a whole slew of new vapers have come on the scene, often unaware of the threats. Many veteran vapers have found their sweet spot and as equipment moves forward end up not being involved much if at all in the current vaping world. At the same time, the existence of vape shops makes it seem to newer vapers that this is just another thing that will of course be there in the future.
Over time, the negative publicity about vaping has gotten most non-smokers to see it as a bad thing, not much different than smoking, "maybe worse". In that light, vapers' opposition to the nic liquid issue in this proposed rule will be seen by many as just a bunch of whining "smokers". It seems this could all be part of a strategy that came into being about the time I started vaping.
Over time, the negative publicity about vaping has gotten most non-smokers to see it as a bad thing, not much different than smoking, "maybe worse". In that light, vapers' opposition to the nic liquid issue in this proposed rule will be seen by many as just a bunch of whining "smokers". It seems this could all be part of a strategy that came into being about the time I started vaping.
As things stand at the moment is nicotine controlled in USA?
Can a consumer buy any quantities any any % strength?
Can a consumer buy any quantities any any % strength?
Generally, the highest recommended here is 100mg/ml. People can buy up to 150, I think, but anything above that is not available for consumers.
Nicotine that is Derived from Tobacco is under the Authority of the US FDA.
But as of right now, there are No Restriction of consumer Quantities or Nicotine mg/ml levels.
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A couple of conflicting answers.
Does anyone KNOW.
Trade buyers can purchase 99% nicotine.
I presume Joe Public can not .
Does anyone KNOW.
Trade buyers can purchase 99% nicotine.
I presume Joe Public can not .
ECF has restricted discussion of higher concentrations in the name of safety for the average vaper, but higher concentrations are available in the US. That said, anybody wishing to use those higher concentrations MUST research and prepare for handling them, as they are too dangerous for just mixing up by the sink without protection from fumes and contact.
I think for the Most Part, the average Vaper has No Clue what is going on FDA-wise.
Vaper's who frequent e-Cigarette forums represent a Small Percentage of All vapers. And even of those who do visit Forums, most are looking more for How to get their e-Cigarette to work better. Or what would be a Good Thing to buy next?
And the Amount of Information provided by the average B&M/Online Retailer about what the FDA is doing is about 2 Steps up from Abysmal.
Some Retailers have/are Proactive about Information/Activism. But they are By Far the Exception. And Not Even Close to the Rule.
Even here within ECF, the delays in rules being implemented and enforced have led to many veterans dismissing the FDA and acting like nothing is going to change.
I wish I could share their point of view, but then the day the FDA chokes the nic supply, well...
I wish I could share their point of view, but then the day the FDA chokes the nic supply, well...
As 440BB mentioned, discussing Nicotine Levels above 150mg/ml (or so) is Not Allowed on the ECF.
And for Good Reasons.
Because all but a Very Few would have the Knowledge, Experience, and Equipment to Safely Handle/Store such a High Concentration.
It's Just Too Much Nicotine in too Small of a Bottle to work with in anything but a Commercial Environment.
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My God. We have Vapers walking around Right Now putting Bare Batteries in there Pockets along with their Keys and Loose Change.
Think of those Same Vapers attempting to Mix Lethal Amounts of Nicotine on their Apartment Kitchen Counters?
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And this is why most “activists” get discouraged and give up.
After 3 years here, I have seen this hundreds of times.
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