Optimal mesh dimensions, wire size and wraps for specific devices

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0.6 Ohm high wattage...

DID Standard (5 Brass nuts & center post)
Wickhole:3.5mm
#500 mesh, (Quick allover Jack frost, then rolled, torched quenched 2-3 times, then oxidizes with vertical juiceburns 2-3 times)
Starting mesh size: 37 x 105mm.
Solid wick rolled to 3.3-3.4mm(not as tight as I can roll it though, slightly "spongy" rather than solid as a rock)
2/3 wraps 28awg Kanthal, 34mm length of wire,2mm pitch of coil,
0.6 ohms
Vaped from 4.2 down to 3.6 volts or 29.4 - 19.27 Watts on mechanical mod (Paps V2 18650 & 18500)
Adjustable tank breather screw one turn & 1/2 out from fully closed no substantial leaks, just minimal seepage when super hot from chain vaping and laying on side for 5mins plus)

Seriously instant vapor from 4.2-3.8v, great 2 second satisfying hits, then nearly instant from 3.7-3.4v,3-6 second hits.
Very stable short free, Great flavor especial considering such high wattage.
 
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Let's barter. I'll roll your wicks if you oxidize mine. I've had no problem hand rolling 100mm of 500 mesh to a nice tight/solid wick. But I'm getting inconsistent results w/ my oxidation. My last two wicks/coils I just couldn't get the coils to all glow nicely and evenly. I had to take them apart and really apply the torch to the wick turning it bright orange for what seemed a long time. Let it air cool, repeat, then vertical burn again w/ juice. I've no idea how people are doing a Jack Frost burn, then roll the wick, wrap the coil and tweak it for a short free setup.
 

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Let's barter. I'll roll your wicks if you oxidize mine. I've had no problem hand rolling 100mm of 500 mesh to a nice tight/solid wick. But I'm getting inconsistent results w/ my oxidation. My last two wicks/coils I just couldn't get the coils to all glow nicely and evenly. I had to take them apart and really apply the torch to the wick turning it bright orange for what seemed a long time. Let it air cool, repeat, then vertical burn again w/ juice. I've no idea how people are doing a Jack Frost burn, then roll the wick, wrap the coil and tweak it for a short free setup.

I find my coil does a lot of the oxidizing if I do this:
Loose wraps sink ships LOL. So Do minor shorts
As we know you should see no air, when you do your dry fire and get those coils ( even one or Two) glowing you can more each wrap of coil one at a time to take up any slack (as long as there not really loose)
If you wrap your coil with enough gap between each wrap this gives you more adjustment potential.
Imagine you have a 3/4 wrap and the coil is like this: [[[ ,but you have air gaps or looseness,or minor shorts. Do your dry fire and one wrap at a lime with a tooth pick move the hot coil like [[/ then [// then /// ,I hope you get my drift.
 

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you can see the oxidization caused by the coil here:
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Thanks for the tips and pics 'studio'. I get you're meaning about having enough space to adjust coils. I'm 'on the road' for a couple weeks so won't have much time for coil building - but I'm looking forward to getting back home and 'hitting' the vapin' desk again to keep trying. I was doing Ok with my learning and progress, it's just recently I'm in a slump - started off Ok moving to 30 & 28g kanthal and fat solid 500 mesh wicks, then it just fell apart. Seemed like I couldn't get anything right. I'm still not sure if I have minor shorts when I have to up the voltage on the Provari just to get a coil glowing or if it's just there's that much more mass to heat up before the coil glows. All the coils are glowing evenly but with a fat wick and a 2Ω coil 28g coil, I'm running the Provari close to 5Vs where with a conventional size wick and 2Ω coil 4 to 4.2V is fine. Ok - enough of my woes - I don't want to hijack this thread into a wick/coil building thread.
 

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My current No. 3 DID setup

0.6 Ohm high wattage...

DID Standard (5 Brass nuts & center post)
Wickhole:3.5mm
#500 mesh, (Quick allover Jack frost, then rolled, torched quenched 2-3 times, then oxidizes with vertical juiceburns 2-3 times)
Starting mesh size: 37 x 105mm.
Solid wick rolled to 3.3-3.4mm(not as tight as I can roll it though, slightly "spongy" rather than solid as a rock)
2/3 wraps 28awg Kanthal, 34mm length of wire,2mm pitch of coil,
0.6 ohms
Vaped from 4.2 down to 3.6 volts or 29.4 - 19.27 Watts on mechanical mod (Paps V2 18650 & 18500)
Adjustable tank breather screw one turn & 1/2 out from fully closed no substantial leaks, just minimal seepage when super hot from chain vaping and laying on side for 5mins plus)

Seriously instant vapor from 4.2-3.8v, great 2 second satisfying hits, then nearly instant from 3.7-3.4v,3-6 second hits.
Very stable short free, Great flavor especial considering such high wattage.



Just an update after running the above coil for a couple of days.
Wow.. I thought Rick (rwechsler) was crazy (no offense Rick) running a 0.6 Ohm coil on his gennys, but I am in love with my DID all over again (not to say I ever fell out of love with it). I was skeptical about how long a battery would last, would it fry my AW or my new grey Panasonics, would it burn the coil through the mesh before you can say melted hotspring Paps.
Well the battery (2250Mah grey Panny 186500 lasted late last night to late tonight, never have I had that before, plus it's as stable a setup as I've ever have, my batteries are showing no signs of strain & I'm getting great flavor awesome flavor and instant response from the coil down to 3.4v which is the voltage I've just changed the old battery out at, and I DIDn't change because of poor performance, but more because I was curious to see how many volts were left on it.
I don't know whether the long battery life is due to needing less hits as the nicotine delivery is so incredibly efficient or if it's so much like the feel of a cigarette that subconsciously after 5-10 mins I think "that was a nice smoke/vape, now to get on with my life for a while, maybe untill I feel like another smoke/vape" ,either way, thanks Rick for pioneering "the crazy coil DID"
 
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I went ahead and followed the two board tip, but I used a paper towel on a glass table and the case for my micrometer (I had them at my table). The 635 mesh is FAR denser rolled now than I ever did by hand. I have a 2mm or so wick hole (DUD sized, whatever that is, didn't mic it and I'm too lazy to go back and do so now) and with a 65mm wick there's airspace all around it after rolling using the board method. Hand rolled for quite some time, it was hard to get the wick in - that's how much difference it made. Re-coiled a 5 wrap 30ga nichrome 80/20, this time coiling with the wick in the DUD (tighter coils, but this used to short; I was using 34ga at that time) - no shorts. Had to move the coils around a bit to get rid of hot spots, but the denser wick or the tighter coils (or a combination of both) proved to improve flavor a fair amount. Things seem to 'pop' more. Compared to a Vivi Nova 2.5 with trimmed sick (silica) this is equal or better in flavor/smoke production. Some liquids seem to do better on one or the other, but it's all in the same ballpark. The nice thing about the Genesis-style atomizer is I never get that burned wick taste, and I'm not worried about the silica fibers.

The more I tinker with the Genesis style atomizer, the more I feel like I'm not going to have something far superior to a Vivi Nova that's setup properly - but I'll have something better for long-term vaping (no burned wick) and more robust/easier to rebuild. Recoiling a Vivi isn't a big deal, but pulling apart the bit at the base of to get to the grommet in order to install new wire on the Vivi is definitely harder than dealing with the DUD now that I've gotten the rolling of the wick and wrapping of the coil + avoiding shorts/hot spots down. One thing I will say - swapping flavors is leaps and bounds easier. I just drain the tank, fill it, put a drop on the wick, and a few puffs later all I taste is the new flavor. On the Vivi, I'd have to clean it out, wicks included, or I'd taste a mix the whole time. Maybe a more experienced Genesis-style builder can chime in regarding making a DUD type atomizer leaps and bounds above a Vivi.

I'm using the DUD setup as above on a 3.3v regulated ego-t upgrade, and I don't miss using the VV twists I have in the past. Not bad for around $20 invested in the battery setup + $24 in the DUD + Pyrex tank, and it lasts me two days even with fairly decent amounts of vaping. I'm sure some liquids could benefit from slightly higher/lower temps (VV is nice, no doubt about it) - but this is good enough without much fuss.

I think my next step will be trying even larger wicks, since with the board method I could probably cram 75+mm of wick into the small DUD wick hole. I'm going to experiment with less coils, I feel like I'm getting more flavor as I step down in coil count (higher temps in a smaller area) on a fixed voltage output. I'm also going to see what doing more coils at higher voltage produces. I would think more vapor/flavor with a larger coil at the same temperature, but it also may dry more of the wick out with each draw, and take longer for fluid to fill the wick back up. Anybody done much experimentation with this and determined what's best? I could step down to 28 gauge nichrome and do 10 coils and (guessing) get something in the ballpark of the same resistance (I'm at 1.5ohms with the 5 coils of 30 gauge).

Hope this helps those starting off, but here's my current (best so far) method:

1) Get the finest SS mesh available. There may be a point at which it gets worse, but 635 is doing fine for me (though is more like silk, so doesn't hold it's shape as well).
2) Torch the SS so all parts glow red. Spend extra time around the edges, burn off the little fibers. No need to go crazy, cherry red once is enough.
3) Get kanthal/nichrome, whatever is easiest to find. Kanthal is supposedly easier to work with - but I've not really had any issues with nichrome. I use a lighter and get the length (8" or so, it's easier when it's longer to wrap) I'm going to use cherry red. Cut it.
4) Roll the SS using two hard surfaces with some texture (glass doesn't work, hence why I used the paper towel) - wood seems to do well. Roll in the same direction over and over, if you're doing it right, it'll get smaller. I take one end, fold it over as small as I can, then roll that up into something fairly loose at first, then hit it with the boards/whatever until very tight. I torch it one more time cherry red, just in case.
5) Insert wick into wick hole. I trim at this point, it's easier to wrap while it's in the device if it's shorter.
6) Tighten one end of your wire down to the ground bolt.
7) Wrap carefully, don't put too much tension, but don't make huge loops. I tend to straighten each loop as I'm wrapping it, so they are all wrapped fairly uniformly. I'm finding having the coil touch the wick all the way around is best, no air gap. You don't want it pinching the wick, just barely touching.
8) After wrapping the coil, I put a bit under the top nut on the post, on the side in which tightening the nut won't pull on the coil, but push on it a bit. I tend to pull it in a bit to bend the wick towards the center post, so when I tighten it, it pushes it away to the point at which it's vertical.
9) Test fire using something at relatively low voltage. All of the coils should light up red evenly. The top coil may turn red slightly before the bottom, that seems normal to me. If you get the top half turning red a fair amount before the bottom half, wherever the red color seems to 'stop', is generally where it's grounding out on the wick. Use a toothpick to move that area around a bit. Rinse and repeat until you're getting a fairly uniform red when you provide current. Again, the top coil may light up slightly quicker than the bottom, I think that's because it's slightly less tightly coiled, so has to heat a smaller amount of mass.
10) Check your resistance. If it's where you want it, fill and enjoy! If it's not, then you know you either need more/less coils, or you need either higher or lower gauge, depending on how far off what you're shooting for is. Coils won't change your resistance by an ohm, but they can make the difference between a few tenths of an ohm. That should get you in the ballpark.

Hope that helps! It's gotten this DUD on par with a Vivi Nova or better, without any of the downsides. It sounds a bit complicated, but after a few iterations, it takes me maybe 5-10 minutes to do all of the above (a lot of that is spent cutting mesh/torching stuff) - if I find the 'perfect' setup, I'll just torch a bunch of mesh in one go, roll it up in batches, do the same with wire, and it'll be a 5 minute process every time I need a replacement.

[Edit: I'm currently using the DUD with the fill hole bolt out. I may put it back in, as with the wick not completely filling the fill hole, it may not matter. Either way, even with the bolt out, I'm not getting any leakage with it in a cargo pocket that's horizontal when I sit. There's a little fluid in the top area (slightly damp) but that occurs when I vape. I've yet to have anything more than a very fine amount of fluid in this area.]
 
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Let's barter. I'll roll your wicks if you oxidize mine. I've had no problem hand rolling 100mm of 500 mesh to a nice tight/solid wick. But I'm getting inconsistent results w/ my oxidation. My last two wicks/coils I just couldn't get the coils to all glow nicely and evenly. I had to take them apart and really apply the torch to the wick turning it bright orange for what seemed a long time. Let it air cool, repeat, then vertical burn again w/ juice. I've no idea how people are doing a Jack Frost burn, then roll the wick, wrap the coil and tweak it for a short free setup.

I outlined the process I follow in my previous post, but I have found the wire gauge matters a lot. Many folks have mentioned this before, but having a large difference in resistance between the coil and the wick makes all the difference. When I was dealing with 34 awg nichrome, I couldn't make a coil not short no matter how much I moved it around. Now I can just torch the mesh, roll it, torch it once more, then wrap a coil under slight tension (just enough to touch the wick completely), and then use a toothpick to deal with hot spots. I've done 7 or 8 coils tonight messing around with different gauge wire and number of coils, and have had no problems aside from hot spots which were quickly resolved moving a coil using a toothpick slightly. I wouldn't use anything higher than 32 awg 80/20 nichrome (10.55 ohms/foot). This is somewhere between 30 awg (8.72 ohms/foot) and 31 awg (11.01 ohms/foot) kanthal a-1 in one of these. That really does seem to be the trick.
 
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My current No. 3 DID setup

0.6 Ohm high wattage...

DID Standard (5 Brass nuts & center post)
Wickhole:3.5mm
#500 mesh, (Quick allover Jack frost, then rolled, torched quenched 2-3 times, then oxidizes with vertical juiceburns 2-3 times)
Starting mesh size: 37 x 105mm.
Solid wick rolled to 3.3-3.4mm(not as tight as I can roll it though, slightly "spongy" rather than solid as a rock)
3/4 wraps 28awg Kanthal, 34mm length of wire,2mm pitch of coil,
0.6 ohms
Vaped from 4.2 down to 3.6 volts or 29.4 - 19.27 Watts on mechanical mod (Paps V2 18650 & 18500)
Adjustable tank breather screw one turn & 1/2 out from fully closed no substantial leaks, just minimal seepage when super hot from chain vaping and laying on side for 5mins plus)

Seriously instant vapor from 4.2-3.8v, great 2 second satisfying hits, then nearly instant from 3.7-3.4v,3-6 second hits.
Very stable short free, Great flavor especial considering such high wattage.



Just an update after running the above coil for a couple of days.
Wow.. I thought Rick (rwechsler) was crazy (no offense Rick) running a 0.6 Ohm coil on his gennys, but I am in love with my DID all over again (not to say I ever fell out of love with it). I was skeptical about how long a battery would last, would it fry my AW or my new grey Panasonics, would it burn the coil through the mesh before you can say melted hotspring Paps.
Well the battery (2250Mah grey Panny 186500 lasted late last night to late tonight, never have I had that before, plus it's as stable a setup as I've ever have, my batteries are showing no signs of strain & I'm getting great flavor awesome flavor and instant response from the coil down to 3.4v which is the voltage I've just changed the old battery out at, and I DIDn't change because of poor performance, but more because I was curious to see how many volts were left on it.
I don't know whether the long battery life is due to needing less hits as the nicotine delivery is so incredibly efficient or if it's so much like the feel of a cigarette that subconsciously after 5-10 mins I think "that was a nice smoke/vape, now to get on with my life for a while, maybe untill I feel like another smoke/vape" ,either way, thanks Rick for pioneering "the crazy coil DID"

This is really interesting. Looking at your picture, you have few coils, but they are LARGE coils. You're getting the benefits of heating a larger area but with less resistance. The nice thing is you'll get high temperatures at the points the wire is in contact with the mesh, but you're spreading that over a large amount of area, so you're not drying out a small area of mesh. Interesting! I may break out some low gauge stuff and try a coil like yours, few wraps but long wraps and see if I get better results. I'm concerned it may not work with a 3.3v regulated ego-t upgrade mod, since I think it's amp-limited since they are aiming for safety for the masses (ie: non-safe chemistry/unprotected batteries), but on my VV units it might work out. Thanks for the wonderful photographs!
 

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This is really interesting. Looking at your picture, you have few coils, but they are LARGE coils. You're getting the benefits of heating a larger area but with less resistance. The nice thing is you'll get high temperatures at the points the wire is in contact with the mesh, but you're spreading that over a large amount of area, so you're not drying out a small area of mesh. Interesting! I may break out some low gauge stuff and try a coil like yours, few wraps but long wraps and see if I get better results. I'm concerned it may not work with a 3.3v regulated ego-t upgrade mod, since I think it's amp-limited since they are aiming for safety for the masses (ie: non-safe chemistry/unprotected batteries), but on my VV units it might work out. Thanks for the wonderful photographs!
Thanks for the kind words Ormandj:)
It's been said and probably will be many more times, "get a mechanical Mod for Low Ohm coil experimentation"
I use Lithium manganese high current 8-15Amp rated batteries for the low Ohm genny setups, most VV or VW devices will baulk at sub 1.0 Ohm coils and with a 2.5-4Amp limit you will rarely get as good a vape on a VV device as with a higher Ohm coil allowing higher watts from higher volts and lower amps. Low Ohms=Mechanical, Mid to High Ohms=Provari, VMAX/ZMAZ,(Lavatube if you really must LOL)
 
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Have you tried rolling your wick on a board? I'm not quite 5' 2" and I don't have any trouble rolling a tight wick rolling between 2 pieces of wood. But then again, I'm not rolling a cigar size wick. :p

This is the best thing since sliced bread. It seriously makes this whole thing much, much easier. Thank you!

I think we need to make you one of the RBA verbs, "I just tmcased the wick and it was all good!"
 

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3/4 30awg is my preferred setup. get consistently good results with this
New general setup, also great and a little easier then 6/7 wraps with 28 AWG but very good flavor, wicking:

3/4 wraps of 30 AWG, reading 1.2 ohm, perfect on a mechanical PV. #500 mesh little looser, less mm but still with no center hole, seems to wick better and flavor increase.
 

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3/4 30awg is my preferred setup. get consistently good results with this

What are you running this on? What resistance are you getting? I ask because my ego-t mod decided that it was 'on' regardless of button press after I put decent batteries in it (Panasonic CGR18650CH 2250mAh), but I'm using 80/20 nichrome so my resistance is 1.5-1.6ohms with 30 awg. I apparently need a better mod.
 

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I run 3 mods...provari, GGTS, and my roller mod. My ohms are around 1.3. My manual mods run with MNKE batteries, the provari with AW, the provari I run at 3.5 volts. I vape fruits so I don't need high watts.
The egos don't like low resistance for some reason. Mine won't fire with my 1.3 ohm coils. I just use my ego batteries with my Vivi nova which has a juice that tastes like crap on ss mesh ....but tastes great with silica.
 

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So I've discovered something. I noticed my flavors were fairly muted, but vapor was fine. The reason I think that's happening is with my tight-roll 635 mesh acting as a heat sink the coil wasn't getting hot enough to atomize everything, just atomizing the base. On that hunch, I rolled a really tight 5 coil wrap out of 32ga 80/20 nichrome. There's almost no space between the coils, I wanted to put as much temperature as quickly as possible on the smallest area of the wick. Measures out to about 1.1 ohms.

Huge improvement. I'm now starting to be really happy with this style of atomizer, it now has better flavor than my Vivi Novas ever did. Now my problem is driving the coil! Luckily, I got a replacement head for the one that failed for my ego-t upgrade mod (v2). Running in unregulated mode, it seems to do the trick. I was using a twist, but when I crank it up to 4.4v+ (flavor kept getting better and better, why not?) it goes into protection mode. With my ego mod, I'm using Panasonic CGR18650CH batteries (hybrid/safe chemistry) so I'm not too worried about them - they can support 10A - I am worried about my ego upgrade frying! I may try and snap up one of those VAMO (zmax v2 clones) units when they're back in stock, as I need something that can push more current to this coil, safely. [Edit: They appear to be limited to 15W, and I'm already above that and want more.]

Just thought I'd chime in with what I've found so far. After looking at some of the other wicks people were having luck with at low ohms/low wrap count, and experimenting a lot on my own, I'm starting to get an idea of what works/what doesn't work. Hopefully it helps others find the right solution for themselves!

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Top of my wick is slightly loose, hence the little fraying you can see in the pictures, but it doesn't hurt anything so I haven't bothered to fix it. Hope that helps!

Blurry video for those who want to see what I mean re: heating up quickly, this is @4v or so (and you can also see why I'd love to run even higher voltage/wattage):

 
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New general setup, also great and a little easier then 6/7 wraps with 28 AWG but very good flavor, wicking:

3/4 wraps of 30 AWG, reading 1.2 ohm, perfect on a mechanical PV. #500 mesh little looser, less mm but still with no center hole, seems to wick better and flavor increase.

I too have moved down to 30g Kanthal on my latest setup on DID No.2 of 3, my last setup was:
0.6 Ohm
#500 wick 37 x 105mm.
Solidish wick rolled to 3.3-3.4mm
2/3 wraps 28awg Kanthal, 34mm length of wire,2mm pitch of coil,
0.6 Ohms

This one is # 500 wick 37 x 65mm.
Solidish wick rolled to 2.5-2.6mm
2/3 wraps 30awg Kanthal, less wire ?, 1.2mm pitch of coil
0.9 Ohms

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Seems to give the same flavor vapor and with lower Ohms my batteries are lasting longer, as you can see I have concentrated the coils lower down the wick and closer together, and as a result the airhole hits the action a lot more than a more spaced out coil. The hit is even more instant than the 28g 0.6 Ohm coil, havnt had any shorts or dry hits yet, and I do vape a fair bit LOL.
 

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Hey all recently switched from DUD to DID and thought I'd add my tech to the bundle :) It's a long post so skip it if you already have a method working for you. I'm still a noob seeing as I've yet to total 50 posts but what I'm doing is working consistently stellar. I'll mention first that I've taken alot of stock in the random mention that what we're really trying to do is get the correct temp across the wick. I may be wrong but it seems to me that less wick surface area and more coil would heat faster as long as you have variable voltage to meet the resistance so I started to experiment. This is my final prep procedure. I'm using 500 mesh and 32g kanthal and torching both to take the spring out before rolling and wrapping. I then use a paperclip (I know this is antiquated in 500 ss mesh world but hear me out) and roll my mesh around it (with a fold on either end,first fold so it doesn't catch the clip and second fold to avoid spurs on the outside) until slightly wider in diameter than 2mm. My wick hole is 2.5mm and I'm shooting for 2mm finished wick diameter. I then torch wick to red and quench it in water (not to oxidize but to stiffen it) Then using a small piece of corkboard like a sushi roller (paper might work) I tighten up the wick by rolling thumbs up toward the inside of the end flap repeatedly. Then I torch it again and quench with a few drops of juice and burn it off. I used to be the heat quench 3 times, juice burn 3 times type but I took a hint from Dwayne/AlmightyGod and went with it. I then do a 6/7 coil wrap evenly spaced 1mm apart (This will fill the total space from bottom post to top post when I screw it in). I want to note that when I wrap I dont hold the wire tightly and twist the coil onto the wick. I hold it loosely and bend it around. This seems to help it keep its intended shape when fired and allows it to fit loosely on the wick which is important later on in the setup. I then wrap either end 180 degrees around their posts a little bit tighter in the opposite direction of the tightening screw. This helps loosen the tension on the wick when screwed down but still gets a good connection. Then I slip out the wick. I put the pv on its lowest voltage setting and pulse the fire button till I get an even red glow on the entire coil. Note that the coil is oxidizing and also should not move when you do this and you will be fine. Do this a couple of times. Then put some drops of juice on the coil and the wick and slowly slip the wick back in. I normally get a resistance of 3ohms and I set my voltage at 4.3 for a wattage of about 6. I fill the tank and *put the fill stopper back in* I only need to fire about 3 or 4 seconds for huge plumes and great taste. The inner wick tube seems to let the juice ride up the inside easily(remember the space left around the wick in the hole will let air in the vaccum) and at the same time the hollow middle allows the heat to conduct quickly along the wick . You could use less coils but I think they need to be closer together to get the same density of vapor in the same amount of time. But then you may lose flavor due to too much heat? I'm not certai of that last part and I could be completely out of line with my reasoning but this approach is working for me. Thanx everyone on the forum for the great tips and hours of informative reading!
 

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Just as a contrast to the involved oxidization process, I will mention that:
1.I do a quick Jack frost,roll and torch to dark orange 3-4 times, but I no longer quench my wicks after torching, I now believe the oxidization process needs the O2 in the air as it cools, (thanks emonty), and I find the "springy wick wicks better and is more forgiving.
2. I no longer do juice burns, one day I kinda forgot to do it and since then haven't needed to
3. My coil oxidizes/heals my dry wick as I nudge it for the final stage and remains stable thereafter.

IMHO covering your wick with burnt juice or carbon is only good for getting your coils firing at the start & can in many cases disguise poor oxidization that will bite us in the ... further down the line. I heard of others skipping the "Holy Grail Of Oxidization Steps" in my earlier experimentation and shuddered , just grateful that I had a semi stable setup If I did every one, after a while I found I just needed some Bl**dy consistency, and through learning from many old hands here on ECF I finally have it.
Big thanks to all of you, you know who you are LOL.
 
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the ob

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New general setup, also great and a little easier then 6/7 wraps with 28 AWG but very good flavor, wicking:

3/4 wraps of 30 AWG, reading 1.2 ohm, perfect on a mechanical PV. #500 mesh little looser, less mm but still with no center hole, seems to wick better and flavor increase.

What do you mean mesh a little looser? You mean not as wide, or not rolled as tight?
 
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