Ovale V8 VV discussion!
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Cool! The 16340s work. So far at least, and it hasn't esploded or anything.
Well thats a good sign! Let us know if u get better battery life and if they work long term!
Will do, Kaleb. This is like one of those fun surprises for me to find out my Ovale v8 is that much more versatile.
Are they 3,6 or 3,7 volts?Cool! The 16340s work. So far at least, and it hasn't esploded or anything.
Just curious - why use the 16340's? The only thing I would be looking for in a battery is better fit and longer life. So if the 16340 is shorter, it probably fits better.
Oh, incidentally, the UltraFire XSL 18350-1200mAh work fine in the Ovale V8. At first I thought they didn't work, but they do, and the battery life is excellent.
Oh, incidentally, the UltraFire XSL 18350-1200mAh work fine in the Ovale V8. At first I thought they didn't work, but they do, and the battery life is excellent.
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I'm glad to hear that the Ultrafire 1200mAh batts seem to work well for you in the V8. Personally, I probably wouldn't use them. First, Ultrafire is notorious for exaggerating the mAh ratings of their batteries. I'd bet that the actual capacity of those ICR batts is around 600mAh, not 1200. Second, current demands from the buck regulator might exceed the C rating on regular Li-Ions. That's why IMR high-drains are recommended for most such devices.
But hey, if it ain't broke, why fix it?
I'm glad to hear that the Ultrafire 1200mAh batts seem to work well for you in the V8. Personally, I probably wouldn't use them. First, Ultrafire is notorious for exaggerating the mAh ratings of their batteries. I'd bet that the actual capacity of those ICR batts is around 600mAh, not 1200. Second, current demands from the buck regulator might exceed the C rating on regular Li-Ions. That's why IMR high-drains are recommended for most such devices.
But hey, if it ain't broke, why fix it?
Hey Bill, thanks. So what do you think is the best battery to use? I'd trust your judgement, for sure.
Battery life of 18350 batteries for me in the Ovale, from longest battery life to shortest:
1. Ultrafire XSL 1200mah - Yellow, button top
2. ICR - 900mAh - Blue, flat top
3. ICR - 900mAh - Blue, button top
4. AW IMR - 700mAh - Red, button top
There IS a possibility that my AW IMR are not legit. I buy them from RTD Vapors. The 14500 AW IMRs I get from there don't have a good battery charge life either.
Battery life of 18350 batteries for me in the Ovale, from longest battery life to shortest:
1. Ultrafire XSL 1200mah - Yellow, button top
2. ICR - 900mAh - Blue, flat top
3. ICR - 900mAh - Blue, button top
4. AW IMR - 700mAh - Red, button top
There IS a possibility that my AW IMR are not legit. I buy them from RTD Vapors. The 14500 AW IMRs I get from there don't have a good battery charge life either.
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I have 2 sets of AW 18350 IMR's from Discount Vapers that perform beautifully for me. They last 1-3 days, depending how much I use the Ovale.
You could also try Panasonic and Efest brands from SuperT or CCV.
Why use 16340s? Why not? I just happen to have lots of 16340 batteries and the mah is higher on them than my 18350s, ergo, longer life. Besides that, imo, the more versatile a mod is in accepting a variety of battery sizes, the better. When my 18350s are on the charger and in another mod, I can always throw in some 16340s.
And the 16340s fit rather nicely in the V8.This wasn't my idea, btw. As I mentioned, I just saw an ad for the V8 stating that it uses 16340 batteries. I'd never considered using anything other than 18350s in it since that's what came with the Ovale V8 kit.
To answer Zogu's question, the Trustfire 16340s I have are 3.7 volt batteries. I have some other 16340s that came with my Sabers but I'm not sure of their mah rating. I'll have to check those when I get home because now I'm curious if they are 3.6 volts and what, if any difference that would make.
I'm not a battery expert, but the Efest IMRs seem to be the new darlings among many ECF members who prefer using only the best batteries. Madvapes has a new line called EH that cost significantly less, but Vapor Joe (who has a web site listing the best daily deals on vaping gear) stated that he bought a few EH 18350s and felt that they worked as well as AW IMR 18350s.
I ordered two of the EH IMR 18350s and three EH IMR 18500s from Madvapes yesterday in anticipation of Kicking a couple more of my tube mods. I'll report back soon, since the 18350s can go into rotation for my Vmax, Ovale V8, and Young-June black chrome mini, and the 18500 in my ProVari standard.
I don't keep any detailed records or hard data on my batts and how well or long they perform, since the variables are too difficult to control, and I use many different PVs every day. I judge battery quality more by feel, so my opinions are just anecdotal and subjective. Except for the engineer-type battery geeks on the flashlight forums who use run tests with sophisticated equipment, I don't how how we ordinary vapers can tell if our batts are "authentic" or knock-offs. Just use 'em and see how it goes, I guess.
I still have and use some Trustfire 2400mAh and Ultrafire 3000mAh Protected Li-Ion 18650s purchased off eBay when I first began vaping two years ago. They've served me well, actually. The fact that their mAh ratings might be inflated and their C ratings are obviously way lower than the Panasonics I've bought more recently is all fine with me. Even after two years, they still recharge well and seem to perform nicely in my Phidias bottom feeders. Once they reach about 3.8 volts, however, I swap 'em out for a recharge. Basically, I never let any batteries drain to the point of shutting down.
IMRs are strongly recommended for VV devices because IMR batteries have higher C ratings---meaning that they can provide more current (amps) and handle the demands of vaping better without pushing them to their limits. Over-stressing our batteries is what we need to avoid for safety.
I bought a couple of pairs of the EH 14500s for my VV box mods and they are working very well. Mad Vapes has (had?) a 10% code -- lovetovape -- that they sent out on Friday. I assume it is still in effect. (They also have some incredibly inexpensive, generic IMRs that I bought with an order yesterday. At $2.69 per battery after the discount, I'm willing to give them a try.
Thanks Bill. I only have two sets of Panasonic 18650s that I use in a box mod, and those just rock. They last for days on a charge. I love that I only need to rotate the two sets. With my 14500s and 18350s I have to have a zillion sets - the charge lasts for a couple of vape hours, max.
Let us know how the MadVapes EH IMRs are.
SuperT and CCV are the only ones who carry the EFests?
Whoa, does Panasonic make a 18350? Last time I looked, they didn't. I'm so there, if they do. Who sells them?
As far as I know, one can use any batteries in a device as long as they fit. Or is that incorrect?
That's what I thought when I first got into vaping. Then I started seeing all of these warnings about using the proper batteries in your mods. I thought if a AA battery fits, why can't I use that? Just because it's not rechargeable? I don't know. I actually tried a AAA battery in a small box mod once and it worked. It produced very little, if any vapor, but it worked and didn't melt the mod or anything. Admittedly, I've also been stacking batts in my Bullets, which the manufacturer adamantly advises against doing...
I asked about that. My favorite mod used 4 AA batteries so I thought I could use them in a box mod. Nope. It's not that it's unsafe -- stacking batteries is inherently less safe than not stacking them but NiMH batteries are designed for it (and IMRs handle the high drain of stacking better than Li-ion batteries do.) It has to do with the voltage. For stacked batteries, add the voltage of the individual batts to get the maximum output. (Variable voltage innards allow you to dial it down from that point.) An AA battery is about 1.2V. You stack two in a mod and you'll be vaping at a whopping 2.4V.That's what I thought when I first got into vaping. Then I started seeing all of these warnings about using the proper batteries in your mods. I thought if a AA battery fits, why can't I use that? Just because it's not rechargeable? I don't know. I actually tried a AAA battery in a small box mod once and it worked. It produced very little, if any vapor, but it worked and didn't melt the mod or anything. Admittedly, I've also been stacking batts in my Bullets, which the manufacturer adamantly advises against doing...
Pretty much all of the Li-ion batts are 3.6-4.2 volts (some IMRs are 3.0) so I think they are "if it fits, use it" but you're not supposed to stack different ones (e.g. all 3.0 16350s or all 3.7 18350s. No mix and match.) As you should keep batteries that you stack in dedicated pairs, that shouldn't be a problem.
Voltage explanation courtesy of Ralph T.
Mangled translation courtesy of Poeia.
ETA: I found Ralph's reply to me in the Where's J0ker thread. The innards of which I speak is called a "regulator."
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Thanks for the info, Poeia. I just saw a video on li-ion batteries and the guy said your pv is no more likely to explode than your cell phone or laptop, which also use the same types of batteries.
Stacking batteries in flashlights never concerned me, but I guess that's because they're not li-ion batteries. I'm becoming more worried about this whole stacking batteries thing than I probably should be and I know that these companies warn against it to protect themselves. But I use so many mods on a daily basis that I can't remember which battery was on top last time and in which mod. I do keep them in pairs, but I don't bother with putting the battery that was on top last time on the bottom the next time. I guess I should start keeping logs or something, lol.
Stacking batteries in flashlights never concerned me, but I guess that's because they're not li-ion batteries. I'm becoming more worried about this whole stacking batteries thing than I probably should be and I know that these companies warn against it to protect themselves. But I use so many mods on a daily basis that I can't remember which battery was on top last time and in which mod. I do keep them in pairs, but I don't bother with putting the battery that was on top last time on the bottom the next time. I guess I should start keeping logs or something, lol.
I just put a couple of Trustfire flame 880mAh 16340s in my V8. Seems to be performing just fine (fingers crossed), and it certainly was easy to install the batteries. The Trustfire 16340s are actually longer than the AW 18350s---probably because of the protection chip in the 16340s---but the smaller diameter (16mm rather than 18mm) made them snap right into the battery compartment with no fiddling or need for the credit card shoehorn dance.
I'm guessing that the 'C' rating for the AW high-drain IMRs is higher than for the Trustfire Li-Ion 16340s, but I tend to do very little high-amp vaping that draws a lot of current, so I hope it'll be OK.
I'm guessing that the 'C' rating for the AW high-drain IMRs is higher than for the Trustfire Li-Ion 16340s, but I tend to do very little high-amp vaping that draws a lot of current, so I hope it'll be OK.
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