PDIB's Making MODs!

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X I think Pdib is getting close...

GG I put vaseline on the inside of my woodville and as I feared all of the plastic bits still smell and taste like the tung oil. Just going to take time I suppose. :unsure:

ETA: Or he could answer as I'm posting. :laugh:

I sanded ALL the poly off yesterday and vaselined the wood and now both my bloodwoods smell like bloodwood:). Definitely bloodwood, since my poly'd mod didn't have guava juice in it:).

As for tasting like Tung oil... I can't see how you can taste the tung oil... I think you are just smelling it... how would Tung oil get inside your bottle??
 

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I sanded ALL the poly off yesterday and vaselined the wood and now both my bloodwoods smell like bloodwood:). Definitely bloodwood, since my poly'd mod didn't have guava juice in it:).

As for tasting like Tung oil... I can't see how you can taste the tung oil... I think you are just smelling it... how would Tung oil get inside your bottle??

Like an overly ripe banana sitting on a loaf of bread (in the plastic wrap) can make the whole loaf taste like bananas. It's essentially scented like Tung oil, I don't think I'm actually vaping it...Or more specific to our old habit, how cigarette smoke can make anything smell and taste like an ashtray when exposed to it long enough.

It will wear off eventually, the plastic just needs to vent off the scent, just time now. ;)
 

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I know that pdib doesn't like vaseline in wood... but that's because its a VERY BAD thing to put on raw wood you plan to put any acrylic varnish on... since it will render the wood moisture proof, and thus incapable of absorbing any of pdib's finishing (this is the warning for anyone who gets the bright idea to coat their raw wood block in vaseline before sending it to pdib... don't do it, he will charge you to get it out, ask me how I know... :p).

On the OTHER hand, if you don't intend to use acrylic sealers, the vaseline doesn't hurt anything, and it fully waterproofs wood. Further, most hand varnishes including tung oil finishes also include mineral oil (liquid vaseline)... tung oil having turned into a big fib on the part of wood finishing suppliers, since REAL tung oil is nearly as expensive as whale oil (that's hyperbole, but real tung oil is expensive). Linseed is often used blended with mineral oil too. But stinkiest of all is neetsfoot oil.

I did a lot of research before I decided to use vaseline. It doesn't harden like tung or linseed over time, needs relatively frequent reapplication, but is more protective of wood (moisture / chemical barrier) than even acrylics... I got the idea because this is the only stuff that works to protect masts in sub arctic ships... where acrylics all fail. If vaseline (petroleum jelly) is the ONLY thing that works to protect wood from salt, UV, wind, and storms, without cracking and breaking, it's got to be good for mine too:).

But MOSTLY... it doesn't stink:p.
 

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Like an overly ripe banana sitting on a loaf of bread (in the plastic wrap) can make the whole loaf taste like bananas. It's essentially scented like Tung oil, I don't think I'm actually vaping it...Or more specific to our old habit, how cigarette smoke can make anything smell and taste like an ashtray when exposed to it long enough.

It will wear off eventually, the plastic just needs to vent off the scent, just time now. ;)

Megan, I taste the same thing, you're not crazy...I did put new juice in the second bottle, and changed the wick, and I still taste it. My other half has one with the poly finish, and I don't taste it in that one...
 

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As a woodworker, I would never put Vaseline on wood, unless it needed to be food safe, like an end grain cutting board. Because it never hardens. And it stays near the top of the wood and doesn't penetrate. Real tung oil is expensive, but most products labeled as tung oil usually have the word "blend" on the label. And you don't need 100% tung oil. Boiled linseed oil will carry the tung oil where it belongs, inside the wood. Vaseline also attracts dirt and dust no matter how well it's rubbed in, since it just sits on the wood.
 

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Megan, I taste the same thing, you're not crazy...I did put new juice in the second bottle, and changed the wick, and I still taste it. My other half has one with the poly finish, and I don't taste it in that one...

Glad I'm not alone in this! I decanted the juice in my bottle before washing everything and the juice itself smelled so strongly of the Tung oil I had to just toss it. It will air out with time...I hope!
 

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Glad I'm not alone in this! I decanted the juice in my bottle before washing everything and the juice itself smelled so strongly of the Tung oil I had to just toss it. It will air out with time...I hope!

If I had an extra tube, I would change that out, too...but I don't.
 

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I presume dibby squonk system is similar

The soft tubing is ideal for Rob's mods, as you want to flex it to unscrew your bottle. I use a firmer tubing that also
has a smooth bore that resists material buildup and the absorption of water-based fluids.
. . . . . and, thusly, I'm thinking won't absorb flavorings, tung oil fumes, and what else . . . . oh yeah! Skunk Pee . . . as easily. It, however screws onto my juice feed, and may be too stiff to push onto a REO nippoh.
 
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The soft tubing is ideal for Rob's mods, as you want to flex it to unscrew your bottle. I use a firmer tubing that also . . . . . and, thusly, I'm thinking won't absorb flavorings, tung oil fumes, and what else . . . . oh yeah! Skunk Pee . . . as easily. It, however screws onto my juice feed, and may be too stiff to push onto a REO nippoh.

oh right.. ok bee get back to the mod making mate ;) ... lol
 

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As a woodworker, I would never put Vaseline on wood, unless it needed to be food safe, like an end grain cutting board. Because it never hardens. And it stays near the top of the wood and doesn't penetrate. Real tung oil is expensive, but most products labeled as tung oil usually have the word "blend" on the label. And you don't need 100% tung oil. Boiled linseed oil will carry the tung oil where it belongs, inside the wood. Vaseline also attracts dirt and dust no matter how well it's rubbed in, since it just sits on the wood.

Well, not all the above is true. First, it DOES penetrate. Not far, but far enough over a few days to not sit on the surface. I can make that empirical observation on my mods, which are rich and supple looking (almost like a fine leather), with not a trace of oil on the surface to get sticky. Not a trace. Right now. I'm vaping them. I hate oil on my hands so bad I won't use lotion. The feel of Vaseline on skin grosses me out, I apply it with a q-tip.

Even based on what you said, if it's used on a cutting board, you would always be eating Vaseline on your food. You don't. What it prevents is penetration of the bacteria (chicken salmonella, pork staph or listeria) that could otherwise get on your raw veggies you also cut and sicken you because you don't cook your carrots, cucumbers or tomatoes you cut on the board for your salad.

Vaseline is better for this purpose because Olive Oil can go rancid in 6 months, and any olive oil exposed to air will oxidize and make that very unappetizing stink on your food surface.

Other reason it makes sense is that like leather grains, wood grains were once alive, and still somewhat absorptive. Filling the cells protects them from dinging, because the cells don't crush, they have a bit of spring to them. Can't speak for the other woods, but I obsessively wanted bloodwood because at 2900, it's got double the Janka Hardness value of oak or walnut or most furniture woods, and is almost the same as Ebony (while having greater crushing strength): Janka Hardness | The Wood Database

Using a NON-hardening waterproofing makes sense for this wood in particular. If I drop it, it's far far less likely to break due to the jelly shock protection within the cellular structure of the very dingable outside layer. There was a method to my perceived madness:p.

Besides, it's ALREADY got the Tung oil finish, it just got shoved into a deeper layer. Before I Vaselined, I applied Formby's Tung Oil (despite the name, it's also a blend). The Vaseline absorbs over the next 24 hours and the Formby's didn't just vanish, it's still in there.

I just want my wood to last longer. I have this thing about things lasting forever, which is why my favorite media is 1million year + rated glass. You should see my mods now... unbelievable looking:).
 
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