"PelosiCare" was Unveiled today you can read the bill here

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"PelosiCare" was Unveiled today you can read the bill here

Its a long read 1990 pages

If you don't like it let your congressmen know how you feel about it

If you think is great don't do a thing

We should all take the time and read as much as we can to know what were are getting ourselves into

You can download the PDF File from the site

Pelosicare / Obamacare / Healthcare

 

[LisaLisa]

I don't have to read it, I"m already all for it. Why? Because something is better then nothing. And nothing is what I have right now

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

My congressman has already been notified. As far as reading the legislation is concerned, I seriously doubt anyone in congress, Pelosi included, knows what all is in there. Lisa, most people who have read the proposal generally aren't opposed the the idea, cost, yes. The greatest overall concern is where this bill will lead in the future. From beginning to end it is one big loophole and WILL be interpreted as lawmakers and lobbyists desire on a whim. If the powers that be can take the Constitution, plainly written, and interpret it with bias and deem what is relevant or not, this bill will be an open ticket. The healthcare debate is long and complex and this forum doesn't have the space to debate it. Change IS needed, but, also remember that healthcare was not out of control until the Federal Government stepped in many years ago.

 

[Mac]

I don't have to read it, I"m already all for it. Why? Because something is better then nothing. And nothing is what I have right now

Same here. Never had health insurance at any job. Kidney stones = 80 thousand dollars in debt and credit ruined for life. so yeah gimme something.

 

[LisaLisa]

Same here. Never had health insurance at any job. Kidney stones = 80 thousand dollars in debt and credit ruined for life. so yeah gimme something.

That's just awful and wrong. I can sympathize with you 100%. I have a heart condition and I"m not insurable at any cost from most insurance companies, and others want a fortune to insure me without covering my pre-existing condition.


When you're in this position, you just live day to day. It sucks and people with insurance have no idea what it's like.

 

[Mac]

That's just awful and wrong. I can sympathize with you 100%. I have a heart condition and I"m not insurable at any cost from most insurance companies, and others want a fortune to insure me without covering my pre-existing condition.


When you're in this position, you just live day to day. It sucks and people with insurance have no idea what it's like.

and it's all downhill from here. I am 31 years old and have a 6 figure medical debt. Can you imagine where I will be when I am 40? 50? before e-cigs hit and I got this job I was considering chantix. Since i have no primary caregiver and no doctors office will touch me without paying up front a month worth of chantix was gonna cost me 600 bucks! A steep price to pay to be driven to suicide.

I am the manager of a successful business. I shouldnt have to be afraid to open a checking account. But I am. So I hide my money. " Stuffing it into the mattress" so to speak. Now call me cynical but I have completely lost faith in my government. When obamacare or pelosi care or whatever care you want to call it comes out I am sure I will get that old familiar exclusion. sorry sir but you work for a living so this is not available to you. I invite the feds to prove me wrong.

 

[LisaLisa]

I"m a small business owner too, I'm in the same boat with you. The only difference is that I haven't had a medical emergency yet, but with an irregular heart beat and sleep apnea, it's just a matter of time. I"m like a walking ticking time bomb.

Sometimes I think that if I have a really serious medical emergency, or should I say when I have one, it might be better if I die quickly instead of racking up a huge bill that I'll never be able to pay or they could take our home away from us........and leave my husband out to dry in his golden years.

 

[j0ker]

Yea but wait till you have Obamacare and they tell you you are number 9,897,876,345,590 on the waiting list and they'll get to you when your number is up in 17 years.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

That's just awful and wrong. I can sympathize with you 100%. I have a heart condition and I"m not insurable at any cost from most insurance companies, and others want a fortune to insure me without covering my pre-existing condition.


When you're in this position, you just live day to day. It sucks and people with insurance have no idea what it's like.

I firmly agree and these are the some of the things that need changed, but will they? Am I willing to give up smoking, drinking, having too much sex, driving too fast, picking my nose with dirty fingernails...vaping to get that coverage? Even the government will have stipulations, if not in the beginning, on down the line. Also, why will I be forced to have insurance? Isn't this a free country? What if I don't feed my children according to FDA guidlines? Will they take my kids from me? Just how many of my personal freedoms will be taken away in the name of compliance? When will the day come that an overweight person suffering from a heartattack is denied treatment or a liver transplant patient is taken off the list under a government policy that lists these disorders as being from self abuse? People say that won't happen, but what if it does. As I recall our fearless leaders have a long history of changing rules and breaking promises. I want change. I do think our government needs to do some regulation on behave of the people they're elected to represent. The reason that hasn't happened is the amount of $$$ flowing from Big Pharma. That isn't going to change no matter what kind of "public option" they pass. I do want change, but not like this.

 

[olderthandirt]

Before this turns into another

Us vs Them thread

, is there any place that provides information on bills such as this in plain language? I had a headache after going through the index.

An unbiased interpretation would be nice...

 

[martha1014]

I think everybody should have affordable health care. No one should be denied care based on their ability to pay. I think everybody has to get together and decided what we are going to pay. How much does this mean to you and your family. We are required to have automobile insurance. Why shouldn' the government require us to have health insurance. We are already paying for this. Everytime somebody goes to the emergency room somebody ends up paying.

May be we should ask our friends up north what they think about their National Health Insurance. How long do they have to wait to see a doctor or have different procedure.

 

[LisaLisa]

France has socialized medicine and they are doing great.

 

[Mac]

Yea but wait till you have Obamacare and they tell you you are number 9,897,876,345,590 on the waiting list and they'll get to you when your number is up in 17 years.

I don't see how that would effect me at all. Sounds like the same boat I am already in. Coverage denied is coverage denied.

 

[LisaLisa]

I don't see how that would effect me at all. Sounds like the same boat I am already in. Coverage denied is coverage denied.

Same here! Atleast I'd be in line that way, some care is better then no care. Some people just don't understand that. When you have ZERO health care, then the only way is up from there.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Everybody should have affordable healthcare, if that is their desire. The Constitution of the United States of America gives us certain unalienable rights including life, libery and the pursuit of happiness, not healthcare. I see that decision as my right not government law. And lets not forget that we as tax payers or patients will pay the bill. The Federal govt. doesn't have any money except what they take from us. If I have a job with healthcare, they'll increase my income taxes to pay for someone elses. Don't you see there's no way out in regard to the financial aspect. The money just passes through different hands. As far as auto insurance goes, whether I agree or not, I Do have the right NOT to drive. Government mandated healthcare only leaves you with no option but death. Look at world history, the more any government gives the more they take away.

 

[MrsT]

Who's going to be paying for this government health care? They've already done such a great job with social security.

 

[olderthandirt]

Hmmm

So them that gots, gots and the rest of us are up the proverbial creek?

Seems as though our government/we the people would be the ones to come up with a means to level the playing field.

For the folks who are currently afforded health insurance through their employers it's understandable you might not want to see any real change. Bear in mind I used to be "one" of you. As a result of corporate merger, I lost that job and health insurance. Been without ever since. Ya'll might have the insurance now but will you be so stridently against government intervention into health insurance if/when you lose it?

Could happen...

 

[martha1014]

One way or the other we are all going to pay. Most people already pay in the premiums they pay for their insurance. All of us pay in the price of physicians and hospitals. The government already pays with Medicaid and Social Security.

Sooner or later we are all going to require medical care. We just expect someone else to pay for the care you will one day require. I know I can't afford health care coverage and can not get coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

This should be a right that every American should have and I think our government should provide this regardless of your ability to pay. We are after all talking about life and death. We already pay for protection and all other benefits of living in the USA. That's what we pay taxes for. I don't think good health care should be based on you income or something only rich people can afford.

I think the government needs to be involved.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Oh and just to add...I don't want to give the impression I'm picking on anyone here...maybe step on some toes, but mine are fair game, too. But to set the record straight, I was self-employed for 14 years as a tower builder, with high equipment costs and liability insurance my take averaged $9.00/hr. I had a wife and 7 kids, no healthcare and eventially went to factory work due to the fact that during the course of my tower career I suffered from ripped tendons, torn rotator cuffs and sore hips from cartlidge wear. I'm not a stranger to the no insurance/big med. bill problem. But, for me, the bottom line is I'm free to chose. During my independent years I would have been forced out of business or not be able to hire help under required healthcare, but I had a choice, so did my help. They didn't get insurance, but their families ate. The bottom line is I believe everyone should have a choice. I understand where you're coming from and if you were my neighbor I'd help care for you as best I could. I'd share my food, home and money. But my government will remove that choice. And, by the way, France is a beautiful country. I've never been there and I'm sure I never will, but France isn't the free America I love and though they may have some things I might like, if I wanted to live like a Frenchman I'd move there.

 

[scrooby]

well something has to be better then nothing, my husbands employer does not offer health insurance, mine did which I was paying almost 400.00 a month in premiums. well long story short I became ill and was out on short term disability which turned into long term by doctors orders ( I also paid extra through work for long term ) but due to loop holes and red tape my employer let me go before the paper work was done between the doctor and insurance company, so with that being said I could no longer go to my doctor because I had no insurance, and because I could not afford to pay her she did not fill out papers for long term disability, so I am out of a job, no insurance, but the insurance company after canceling my policy due to being let go was nice enough to send me a letter informing me that should I seek health coverage in the future that my coverage may be limited because I have an existing condition.