People hate vapor. But the cops don't care.
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I agree with Lorddrek as well. It's only going to hurt the cause of esmoking to have that kind of attitude with your new vaping freedom. If anything it'll only push the nonsmoking crowd to complain the 'higher ups' and get ecigs banned from use in the USA(or whatever country you live in). And that would sorely piss me off.
I am not saying you shouldn't exercise your new freedom to vape wherever you want. Just be more tactful about when and around whom.
Peace.
I am not saying you shouldn't exercise your new freedom to vape wherever you want. Just be more tactful about when and around whom.
Peace.
as i said in my original post........be nice to others and others will be nice to you mate.
I personally think everyone here really went off the deep end with the accusations and comments...and well... interpretive reading. Although there were some very good points made in this thread, ultimately pretty much everyone here missed the point.
This girl is feeling what we all have felt the second we started vaping... when that thought crosses your mind "Wait a minute! I can smoke in here!" it's extremely thrilling. All she wanted to do was share her excitement with the whole community here on the forums... and she should have been able to do that without as much persecution... such as "oh yea... you weren't thinking" and "you need to grow up".
I myself find it totally amusing that people get so bent out of shape when they catch you vaping in public. It's like they don't even give you a chance to explain yourself half the time... and this is about 60 percent of my encounters... before I can say a word, the person is ready to have a heart attack. And yeah yeah "what if I had a fake gun and I was waving it around" that's a sad analogy to the whole situation. People need to grow a pair. It's a cigarette. Don't freak out.
Which is exactly what people do. They judge, make assumptions before they ever get to fully feel out the whole situation----HEY! kind of like the people who posted on this topic
Gha gha ghaaa wwhoooaa.
But just simma down a second.
Whoa doggie. Whoa. Sit.
simma down now
simma down.
Good dog.
As far as "the cause" goes... well that's just a bunch of bull****. Sorry but it doesn't matter what you promote, if big business doesn't back it up it doesn't mean anything. I don't want it to become popular. You know why? What happens when e-smoking becomes super popular? Big tobacco loses money. Hospitals lose money. The pharmaceutical industry loses money on nicotine gum and patches and chemotherapy drugs for lung cancer. People live. Suddenly we have more of a population, which is already ever increasing. More mouths to feed. Not to mention we are the number one exporter of tobacco worldwide. Less money for more people.
Corporations will kill it if it gets big. The FDA will shut it down. They will find a way. Keep it underground people. Well... not underground... just popular enough for it not to be a threat to big business.
Now who's "Not thinking"?
Seriously, some people are .......s. **** em' Have some dignity, don't be spineless. If I attempt to be nice to someone, explain myself and that person tells me to **** off I'm not going to be nice to them anymore. At all. They don't deserve it. It's not about being right or wrong it's self respect.... and yes. I also laugh at those people. I know it's legal... but I will just leave if there is a problem. I never get the authorities involved. Doesn't matter what happens. I take care of myself.
"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant 'If I die, you are forgiven, if I live, I will kill you' Such is the rule of Honor." -The Omerta
Now.... that does not mean I am mean, uncourteous, rude, or disrespectful. I always try to explain myself in public. I always take the time to ellaborate in full detail what it is I am doing, and never in a snooty, sarcastic or patronizing way. But if you don't want to listen, and you've got your own perogative about being an .......... like I said I'm not going to try to make you happy.
I was apprenticing at a tattoo shop. After about 4 months of knowing this guy I went to a get together for the 4th of July with a bunch of bikers. Him and I were pretty good friends. I was talking with him about how another tattoo shop offered me a job, and I told them no way... I was with him at his shop, and that's where my loyalty lay. Well... he took that as me saying to him "I'm so good, I can go anywhere". He and his biker buddies threatened to kill me that night if I didn't apologize for my wrongs. I told them I'm sorry if I offended them, but I did nothing wrong and there was nothing to apologize for....after which he proceded to beat me up and down the yard with his nice set of brass nuckles. He picked my bloody face up off the country road and told me to get in his truck so he could take me home. I told him to **** off and him and his friends sped away and I walked about 15 miles to my house through farmer fields, ditches, and woods... back into civilization with torn bloody clothing.... an eye i could barely see out of... the other swollen completely shut.... a broken jaw... 3 broken ribs and a broken collar bone.
But I still had my dignity. I still had my honor. That was still intact. I didn't call the cops on him. If I had a gun that night I would have went out in a firefight.
But most people nowadays are cowards. Afraid of everything. Afraid to live, and afraid to die. Afraid of hurting peoples feelings, afraid of being hurt. Look at the media. Everyone's a racist nowadays if they say they don't like chocolate. And Al Sharpton goes RACIST!! Give me a break. The only reasons I started e-smoking were: I ruined too much of my stuff like carseats, computers and clothes. It was expensive in comparison to esmoking. I wanted to smoke in public without losing yet more money in fines from smoking tickets... so I could have more money to blow untill a gigantic comet destroys the earth in 2012. Has nothing to do with health or fear of getting cancer. As a matter of fact, I should work on a cancer e-liquid flavor. It'll sure be a hit on the forums. Maybe totally wicked can sell it in thier new 68mg strength so you can overdose at the same time. lol.
Ok... well that was my rant. Just be yourself girl. You go.
This girl is feeling what we all have felt the second we started vaping... when that thought crosses your mind "Wait a minute! I can smoke in here!" it's extremely thrilling. All she wanted to do was share her excitement with the whole community here on the forums... and she should have been able to do that without as much persecution... such as "oh yea... you weren't thinking" and "you need to grow up".
I myself find it totally amusing that people get so bent out of shape when they catch you vaping in public. It's like they don't even give you a chance to explain yourself half the time... and this is about 60 percent of my encounters... before I can say a word, the person is ready to have a heart attack. And yeah yeah "what if I had a fake gun and I was waving it around" that's a sad analogy to the whole situation. People need to grow a pair. It's a cigarette. Don't freak out.
Which is exactly what people do. They judge, make assumptions before they ever get to fully feel out the whole situation----HEY! kind of like the people who posted on this topic
Gha gha ghaaa wwhoooaa.
But just simma down a second.
Whoa doggie. Whoa. Sit.
simma down now
simma down.
Good dog.
As far as "the cause" goes... well that's just a bunch of bull****. Sorry but it doesn't matter what you promote, if big business doesn't back it up it doesn't mean anything. I don't want it to become popular. You know why? What happens when e-smoking becomes super popular? Big tobacco loses money. Hospitals lose money. The pharmaceutical industry loses money on nicotine gum and patches and chemotherapy drugs for lung cancer. People live. Suddenly we have more of a population, which is already ever increasing. More mouths to feed. Not to mention we are the number one exporter of tobacco worldwide. Less money for more people.
Corporations will kill it if it gets big. The FDA will shut it down. They will find a way. Keep it underground people. Well... not underground... just popular enough for it not to be a threat to big business.
Now who's "Not thinking"?
Seriously, some people are .......s. **** em' Have some dignity, don't be spineless. If I attempt to be nice to someone, explain myself and that person tells me to **** off I'm not going to be nice to them anymore. At all. They don't deserve it. It's not about being right or wrong it's self respect.... and yes. I also laugh at those people. I know it's legal... but I will just leave if there is a problem. I never get the authorities involved. Doesn't matter what happens. I take care of myself.
"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant 'If I die, you are forgiven, if I live, I will kill you' Such is the rule of Honor." -The Omerta
Now.... that does not mean I am mean, uncourteous, rude, or disrespectful. I always try to explain myself in public. I always take the time to ellaborate in full detail what it is I am doing, and never in a snooty, sarcastic or patronizing way. But if you don't want to listen, and you've got your own perogative about being an .......... like I said I'm not going to try to make you happy.
I was apprenticing at a tattoo shop. After about 4 months of knowing this guy I went to a get together for the 4th of July with a bunch of bikers. Him and I were pretty good friends. I was talking with him about how another tattoo shop offered me a job, and I told them no way... I was with him at his shop, and that's where my loyalty lay. Well... he took that as me saying to him "I'm so good, I can go anywhere". He and his biker buddies threatened to kill me that night if I didn't apologize for my wrongs. I told them I'm sorry if I offended them, but I did nothing wrong and there was nothing to apologize for....after which he proceded to beat me up and down the yard with his nice set of brass nuckles. He picked my bloody face up off the country road and told me to get in his truck so he could take me home. I told him to **** off and him and his friends sped away and I walked about 15 miles to my house through farmer fields, ditches, and woods... back into civilization with torn bloody clothing.... an eye i could barely see out of... the other swollen completely shut.... a broken jaw... 3 broken ribs and a broken collar bone.
But I still had my dignity. I still had my honor. That was still intact. I didn't call the cops on him. If I had a gun that night I would have went out in a firefight.
But most people nowadays are cowards. Afraid of everything. Afraid to live, and afraid to die. Afraid of hurting peoples feelings, afraid of being hurt. Look at the media. Everyone's a racist nowadays if they say they don't like chocolate. And Al Sharpton goes RACIST!! Give me a break. The only reasons I started e-smoking were: I ruined too much of my stuff like carseats, computers and clothes. It was expensive in comparison to esmoking. I wanted to smoke in public without losing yet more money in fines from smoking tickets... so I could have more money to blow untill a gigantic comet destroys the earth in 2012. Has nothing to do with health or fear of getting cancer. As a matter of fact, I should work on a cancer e-liquid flavor. It'll sure be a hit on the forums. Maybe totally wicked can sell it in thier new 68mg strength so you can overdose at the same time. lol.
Ok... well that was my rant. Just be yourself girl. You go.
Reminds me of Al Pacino's speech from Scent of a Woman
YouTube - Scent of a Woman Speech
My favorite movie
Actually that is incorrect. Our personal nicotine vaporizors may not fall under smoking bans but that does not mean we can use them in any establishment we want. Each business sets its own rules and standards. And here in New England atleast very few want these used in their establishments. They don't care that its legal, they don't care if its harmless, they simply don't want the hassle of people complaining or lighting up cigarettes.
I always explain it and ask first and everyone thinks its great "but not here please."
As more and more people switch over to e-smoking I'm sure places will start advertising that they are e-smoking friendly and then the dominos will fall into place. But until then its quite incorrect to think "I can vape here!" without first finding out.
I don't think we'll see that. The majority of Americans are non-smokers, and that would translate to the majority of business owners.
In the end, the business owners helped the anti-smoking movement as they were sick of dealing with two separate sections in the business.
Anyway, I don't care if they allow it or not. I'll ask. If they say no, I'll take my business elsewhere. The only way to truly get a reaction is to show them that they will lose money by denying it. That's the only way to get any business' attention.
I agree with DisMan. I have had pub owners chasing after me, apologising that I've left because they won't let me vape.
We finally have a bit of power over the anti's.
We finally have a bit of power over the anti's.
Not really. They may have chased after you apologizing but unless they changed their mind and allowed you to vape then the anti's still have more power than the vapers. Business owners are more worried about many more people walking out or complaining to them because they think someone is smoking then they are about the occassional e-smoker. Not to mention the hassle if somebody mistakes the e-cig for a real cig and then files a complaint against the business with the smoking ban enforcement office.
Like I said, its not until vaping becomes more popular that most businesses are going to want the hassle of dealing with the issue. Once its more popular and more people know what it is, then business owners will relax.
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actually here in the states the bar/club scene is a little different evidently...
most of the bars i've been in and vaped that were non-smoking have been happy with my ecig...
see.. around here they laid down an overly stupid law... if a bar/club allows smoking.. then NOBODY under 18 is allowed to enter.. which of course is odd seeing as if you are 18 you can BUY smokes and feel free to use them... anyways.. when the law took effect.. most bars made their choice... and all the ones that disallowed smoking.. payed dearly for it...
isn't it amazing that the people who dont want you smoking in a bar are the people LEAST likely to actually show up there??.. so now the local bars are all smoking enabled with a few more restaraunt lounge deals still non.. but even with the smoking allowed.. they've lost a small base of customers that used to show up for the music and paid alot in soda and bottled water..
owners of stated bars would LOVE to go vape instead... that way the law wouldn't affect their business
most of the bars i've been in and vaped that were non-smoking have been happy with my ecig...
see.. around here they laid down an overly stupid law... if a bar/club allows smoking.. then NOBODY under 18 is allowed to enter.. which of course is odd seeing as if you are 18 you can BUY smokes and feel free to use them... anyways.. when the law took effect.. most bars made their choice... and all the ones that disallowed smoking.. payed dearly for it...
isn't it amazing that the people who dont want you smoking in a bar are the people LEAST likely to actually show up there??.. so now the local bars are all smoking enabled with a few more restaraunt lounge deals still non.. but even with the smoking allowed.. they've lost a small base of customers that used to show up for the music and paid alot in soda and bottled water..
owners of stated bars would LOVE to go vape instead... that way the law wouldn't affect their business
eeeeeeeeeeeeek!...
i allowed myself to be misdirected and post to the offtopic part...
i agree that most of us were a bit hard on OP.. i may even have been.. not sure but i hope not..
my intent was to point out that a little polite info to those that just nastily stare could go a looooong way.. it's all good to be an individual.. hell.. that's how i was raised.. but comes a time when if you wish to keep the right to be self.. "you got some 'splainin' to do".. if nobody knows what's up.. then those "nasties" could simply complain and management won't care if it's legal or not
i allowed myself to be misdirected and post to the offtopic part...
i agree that most of us were a bit hard on OP.. i may even have been.. not sure but i hope not..
my intent was to point out that a little polite info to those that just nastily stare could go a looooong way.. it's all good to be an individual.. hell.. that's how i was raised.. but comes a time when if you wish to keep the right to be self.. "you got some 'splainin' to do".. if nobody knows what's up.. then those "nasties" could simply complain and management won't care if it's legal or not
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