People hate vapor. But the cops don't care.

[incineradma]

as i said in my original post........be nice to others and others will be nice to you mate.

Read the whole post or just don't bother replying, man.
I explained at least 99% of what you brought up.

And my brother was in trouble all the time. I was usually looked at as the responsible one, we all neglected school for social reasons at least I did, but there was never much rivalry and furthermore I just simply did not care about how other people lived their lives or saw mine -- I did what made me happiest. (and I doubt I'd believe anyone who claims that being rude or upsetting others makes them happy -- if they think it does, that isn't happiness that's satisfaction and there is always something negative about promoting negativity -- not the same thing as stumbling across it or talking about it which usually serves to better educate and therefore deconstruct the process of negative thinking)

Do some reasoning of your own?
My only suggestion if you're still not over it.

 

[incineradma]

I personally think everyone here really went off the deep end with the accusations and comments...and well... interpretive reading. Although there were some very good points made in this thread, ultimately pretty much everyone here missed the point.

This girl is feeling what we all have felt the second we started vaping... when that thought crosses your mind "Wait a minute! I can smoke in here!" it's extremely thrilling. All she wanted to do was share her excitement with the whole community here on the forums... and she should have been able to do that without as much persecution... such as "oh yea... you weren't thinking" and "you need to grow up".

I myself find it totally amusing that people get so bent out of shape when they catch you vaping in public. It's like they don't even give you a chance to explain yourself half the time... and this is about 60 percent of my encounters... before I can say a word, the person is ready to have a heart attack. And yeah yeah "what if I had a fake gun and I was waving it around" that's a sad analogy to the whole situation. People need to grow a pair. It's a cigarette. Don't freak out.

Which is exactly what people do. They judge, make assumptions before they ever get to fully feel out the whole situation----HEY! kind of like the people who posted on this topic


Gha gha ghaaa wwhoooaa.
But just simma down a second.

Whoa doggie. Whoa. Sit.
simma down now
simma down.

Good dog.

As far as "the cause" goes... well that's just a bunch of bull****. Sorry but it doesn't matter what you promote, if big business doesn't back it up it doesn't mean anything. I don't want it to become popular. You know why? What happens when e-smoking becomes super popular? Big tobacco loses money. Hospitals lose money. The pharmaceutical industry loses money on nicotine gum and patches and chemotherapy drugs for lung cancer. People live. Suddenly we have more of a population, which is already ever increasing. More mouths to feed. Not to mention we are the number one exporter of tobacco worldwide. Less money for more people.

Corporations will kill it if it gets big. The FDA will shut it down. They will find a way. Keep it underground people. Well... not underground... just popular enough for it not to be a threat to big business.
Now who's "Not thinking"?

Seriously, some people are .......s. **** em' Have some dignity, don't be spineless. If I attempt to be nice to someone, explain myself and that person tells me to **** off I'm not going to be nice to them anymore. At all. They don't deserve it. It's not about being right or wrong it's self respect.... and yes. I also laugh at those people. I know it's legal... but I will just leave if there is a problem. I never get the authorities involved. Doesn't matter what happens. I take care of myself.

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant 'If I die, you are forgiven, if I live, I will kill you' Such is the rule of Honor." -The Omerta

Now.... that does not mean I am mean, uncourteous, rude, or disrespectful. I always try to explain myself in public. I always take the time to ellaborate in full detail what it is I am doing, and never in a snooty, sarcastic or patronizing way. But if you don't want to listen, and you've got your own perogative about being an .......... like I said I'm not going to try to make you happy.

I was apprenticing at a tattoo shop. After about 4 months of knowing this guy I went to a get together for the 4th of July with a bunch of bikers. Him and I were pretty good friends. I was talking with him about how another tattoo shop offered me a job, and I told them no way... I was with him at his shop, and that's where my loyalty lay. Well... he took that as me saying to him "I'm so good, I can go anywhere". He and his biker buddies threatened to kill me that night if I didn't apologize for my wrongs. I told them I'm sorry if I offended them, but I did nothing wrong and there was nothing to apologize for....after which he proceded to beat me up and down the yard with his nice set of brass nuckles. He picked my bloody face up off the country road and told me to get in his truck so he could take me home. I told him to **** off and him and his friends sped away and I walked about 15 miles to my house through farmer fields, ditches, and woods... back into civilization with torn bloody clothing.... an eye i could barely see out of... the other swollen completely shut.... a broken jaw... 3 broken ribs and a broken collar bone.
But I still had my dignity. I still had my honor. That was still intact. I didn't call the cops on him. If I had a gun that night I would have went out in a firefight.

But most people nowadays are cowards. Afraid of everything. Afraid to live, and afraid to die. Afraid of hurting peoples feelings, afraid of being hurt. Look at the media. Everyone's a racist nowadays if they say they don't like chocolate. And Al Sharpton goes RACIST!! Give me a break. The only reasons I started e-smoking were: I ruined too much of my stuff like carseats, computers and clothes. It was expensive in comparison to esmoking. I wanted to smoke in public without losing yet more money in fines from smoking tickets... so I could have more money to blow untill a gigantic comet destroys the earth in 2012. Has nothing to do with health or fear of getting cancer. As a matter of fact, I should work on a cancer e-liquid flavor. It'll sure be a hit on the forums. Maybe totally wicked can sell it in thier new 68mg strength so you can overdose at the same time. lol.

Ok... well that was my rant. Just be yourself girl. You go.

Wow what a story. That's pretty cool and I live by "I wouldn't call the cops on my worst enemy". I'm about fixing the problem, not throwing people in jail. Hell, I'll leave town in a heartbeat if I have to. I have a mental list of items that all fit in my backpack and I can hoof it in any event. Nice to feel a little more comfortable here as fewer and fewer people seem to hate me which really gets my heart pumping acTually. It shouldn't bother me so much but jeez it seems like most situations I encounter with ANYONE, there are fundemental and obvious things people just don't take into account when judging others. And the people who say 2012 will yeild a grand awakening to human kind? Honestly I just don't think that's enough time

man, I don't like saying it because people draw unneeded offense but I tend to feel elder to everyone I encounter. Sure I have been on this earth for a mere 22 years. Somehow, I have acquired more wisdom and sensibility than 99% of people who are older than me. Though perhaps Nebraska isn't a breeding ground for the philosophical or open-minded.

Oh and I'm wondering when they're be making Marijuana flavor XD dangerous probably cops wouldn't believe ya

 

[providence]

Sure I have been on this earth for a mere 22 years. Somehow, I have acquired more wisdom and sensibility than 99% of people who are older than me.

ROTFLMAO!!!!
As they say: when you're young, you don't know what you don't know.

 

[igetcha]

Read the whole post or just don't bother replying, man.
I explained at least 99% of what you brought up.

And my brother was in trouble all the time. I was usually looked at as the responsible one, we all neglected school for social reasons at least I did, but there was never much rivalry and furthermore I just simply did not care about how other people lived their lives or saw mine -- I did what made me happiest. (and I doubt I'd believe anyone who claims that being rude or upsetting others makes them happy -- if they think it does, that isn't happiness that's satisfaction and there is always something negative about promoting negativity -- not the same thing as stumbling across it or talking about it which usually serves to better educate and therefore deconstruct the process of negative thinking)

Do some reasoning of your own?
My only suggestion if you're still not over it.

i think that in fact you should read your opening post where you stated that you enjoyed "bothering the heck" out of people, particularly the elderly and rich and then whined like a loser because those very people made judgments of you. (you enjoyed bothering people.......maybe they in turn enjoyed bothering you!)

you then said that you look like a totally regular young woman who acts in a good manner towards others, but yet quite strangely everyone treats you like dirt. (sorry, no! regular looking people who act in a decent and thoughtfull manner to others dont get randomly picked on by "everyone".)

you then said that you hate attention and wished no one would notice you but then stated that you dyed your hair different colours, pierced your face and then walked down busy high streets singing at the top of your voice. (make your mind up! "everyone look at me.......stop looking at me!.........eveyone look at me.........stop looking at me!..........everyone look at me........stop looking at me!)

please, just read what YOU wrote and think for a minute. if you cant honestly see that those people you enjoyed bothering had any reason to treat you in such a manner then i guess its time to open your eyes o the real world.


if you had said that you was happily chatting with a friend having a quiet vape and was then confronted by a group of elderly rich people who decided to verbally attack you for no reason..........then yes, you have every right to defend yourself and give it back 10 fold. if i saw that happen to a innocent young lady then i would step in straight away to defend you.

but if i saw a young lady going around "bothering the heck out of elderly people" then without a doubt i would treat you in the same manner that others have.

 

[CssReb]

Scott what you say is so true in this last post.

The girl is young, emotional and on the defensive side right now.
Don't expect her to all of the sudden have an epiphany...somewhere down the road of life she'll think hey that dude was right.

 

[Spikey]

Scott what you say is so true in this last post.

The girl is young, emotional and on the defensive side right now.
Don't expect her to all of the sudden have an epiphany...somewhere down the road of life she'll think hey that dude was right.

i think that in fact you should read your opening post where you stated that you enjoyed "bothering the heck" out of people, particularly the elderly and rich and then whined like a loser because those very people made judgments of you. (you enjoyed bothering people.......maybe they in turn enjoyed bothering you!)

you then said that you look like a totally regular young woman who acts in a good manner towards others, but yet quite strangely everyone treats you like dirt. (sorry, no! regular looking people who act in a decent and thoughtfull manner to others dont get randomly picked on by "everyone".)

you then said that you hate attention and wished no one would notice you but then stated that you dyed your hair different colours, pierced your face and then walked down busy high streets singing at the top of your voice. (make your mind up! "everyone look at me.......stop looking at me!.........eveyone look at me.........stop looking at me!..........everyone look at me........stop looking at me!)

please, just read what YOU wrote and think for a minute. if you cant honestly see that those people you enjoyed bothering had any reason to treat you in such a manner then i guess its time to open your eyes o the real world.


if you had said that you was happily chatting with a friend having a quiet vape and was then confronted by a group of elderly rich people who decided to verbally attack you for no reason..........then yes, you have every right to defend yourself and give it back 10 fold. if i saw that happen to a innocent young lady then i would step in straight away to defend you.

but if i saw a young lady going around "bothering the heck out of elderly people" then without a doubt i would treat you in the same manner that others have.

Ahhh... to be young and pierced again My piercings have sagged and I see the world in a different light. I remember ignoring the "old peeps" who kept telling me I knew nothing... now I AM one of the old peeps and I can't understand why the young stupid people won't listen to me. But I still have my genitals pierced and wear blue lipstick... soon I will be one of those "weird, creepy old people". LOL!!!

Props to igetcha for always sayin it like it is.. even when it costs a whole night and 50 pages to calm down lol!

 

[igetcha]

Ahhh... to be young and pierced again My piercings have sagged and I see the world in a different light. I remember ignoring the "old peeps" who kept telling me I knew nothing... now I AM one of the old peeps and I can't understand why the young stupid people won't listen to me. But I still have my genitals pierced and wear blue lipstick... soon I will be one of those "weird, creepy old people". LOL!!!

Props to igetcha for always sayin it like it is.. even when it costs a whole night and 50 pages to calm down lol!

yeah, but what a night! lol

 

[Lika]

Ahhh... to be young and pierced again My piercings have sagged and I see the world in a different light. I remember ignoring the "old peeps" who kept telling me I knew nothing... now I AM one of the old peeps and I can't understand why the young stupid people won't listen to me. But I still have my genitals pierced and wear blue lipstick... soon I will be one of those "weird, creepy old people". LOL!!!

Such wise words, Spikey. And, dammit it happens to ALL of us

 

[incineradma]

A response to the off-topic Ifeel is necessary but more on-topic info at the bold*** that you should probably read if you wonder about vaping in public

"igetcha".. nice contradiction.

I will explain this to you as clearly as I possibly can.

I don't like getting attention. It's distracting. I like to sing because I like to train my voice. I have no home of my own, so I can't do it at home. I like the sky, I like the feeling of being in the world, often without interacting with others. Just being alone, and singing. I've written a lot of material and I'll be able to record it when I have a place of my own. I am an artist. I like to create work because it makes me feel good. I draw, I write comic books, write stories. I also like to be creative with fashion, including hair. This artwork is not done to appease or displease others. It's done for a feeling of accomplishment, and so that I can look at something I find aesthetically pleasing. Perhaps share it with a few friends. Someday I hope to make money off of it so I don't have to work a job I don't want. I honestly would love to stay out of the public eye as much as possible but I'm not going to completely shut myself off from personal freedom and enjoying the outdoors -- which I spend more time than indoors. Therefore, there are many opportunities for people to react. I probably pass many more people in a day than you do, because I spend an average of 8 hours a day traveling through a moderately busy city. Many opportunities for people to react, mind you.

I have also explained to you that people don't like it when I approach them after their initial snarl. They turn away or look afraid or hurt. Perhaps they don't want to feel accountable for something they did overtly and prematurely? I enjoy bothering them because it shows them their own faults. Accomplishment comes from learning. When you are faced with information and have to sort through it or learn something, you feel closer to the truth, do you not? You feel you've grown a little bit closer to a perfect understanding, do you not? Perhaps you haven't opened certain mental doors if you don't know what I'm talking about, and that's neither a good thing nor a bad thing. It just might take you a little longer to figure out what it is I mean. Maybe less. Who knows. We're all walking the same circle anyway.

Just drop it. If you still think I was being malicious, I can do no more to convince you otherwise, except to state that I was not being malicious. I wasn't. People have their reactions, I do what I believe I can to give them a positive impression, and other people's minds may be on some other wackjobthat approached them to explain something and snatched her purse. Your mind can become clouded, and it's nothing new.

I just don't see that there's anything wrong with going somewhere and doing something you know isn't wrong, if someone asks or tells you to leave offering them an explanaition, and leaving if they insist it's impermissable (perhaps asking to speak with a manager first) and going somewhere else with it.

If you aren't familiar with my dialect, perhaps it's only in certain areas of the world that people say things like "I love bothering those people" when you feel wronged, without literally meaning "I commence and intend to bother".. there's a difference between poking fun at some people that acted a little unfairly toward you, and purposely trying to find ways to get people to overreact and then wailing about it like a psychopath. Which seems more likely to you?

Anyone who thinks I'm young want to debate the issue? PM me with your reasoning and I'm sure I'll discredit anything you have to say. Not because I'm willing to take a shot but because I know myself and that's what makes me ageless.


And so that no one has to laugh until your head must meet the wall to stop it, I'll turn this topic back around to where it should be in case there are others like me who like to grasp a ridiculous concept as nearly as possible for the sake of humor which can have quite the sharp edges if done improperly..

*********AND AWAY FROM THE OFFTOPIC

I would have to say that from personal experience, I would vape naturally when in controversial places, try holding it with your hand around the LED so people are more likely to question the appliance, and don't try to hide it because you'll look more suspicious. Making eye contact helps as well, because people will feel more open to checking out what you're doing or asking a question if you acknowledge them -- there's less of a barrier for them to have to push through that would make them less likely to analyze. And if someone gives you a mean look, or flips you off, you probably shouldn't push it if that behavior has made you uncomfortable because as people we all understand eachother to an extent and your intuition should be trusted. Don't just blow the person off but try to smile or try to make an impression of yourself that you are not doing what they think you are and that it's something that isn't bad (this can be tough to pull off) but by trying to give explanaitions to hostile people a lot of times they're not willing to listen and will become even angrier.

These are the notes I've gathered mentally and perhaps you can find them useful for your own experiences. Let me tell you I have seen people all over the city come and go and what not every day all day so this is the most common thing I have enocountered here in the Midwest but by no means speaks for all people everywhere.

 

[igetcha]

my apologies,

i read your statement of "i enjoy bothering the heck out of people" and took it that meant "you enjoyed bothering the heck out of people". when quite clearly you obviously meant "i really enjoy interacting with people on a social scale and enjoy having polite conversations with people who are not aware of electronic cigarettes".

i read your statement of "i like to vape in the middle of a store so it annoys the elderly and rich" and took it that meant "you like to vape in the middle of a store so it annoys the elderly and rich, knowing full well you would recieve a negative reaction as a store is not the correct place to be smoking or vaping without informing the owner of your intentions first". but you obviously quite clearly meant "i dont think its right to purposely vape in areas where it may cause offence to others who would not really know what an electronic cigarette is".

i read your statement of "i dyed my hair different colours, pierced my face and enjoy singing at the top of my voice when walking down a busy high street" and took it that meant "you are a loud and brash attention seeking person who wants the whole world to know you exist, just so you can then blame all your problems on other peoples reactions instead of looking in the mirror and accepting that the root of all your problems is staring back at you." but you obviously quite clearly meant "you wish you could just slip into the crowd, go unnoticed and just let life quietly pass you by without any fear of confontation".

again, my apologies for misinterpreting your posts.......its this damn english language.......its just too confusing sometimes. (please note sarcasm)


listen mate, you can wrap your opening statement up in your fluffy security blanket as much as you like. you can then try to impress everyone with your new found maturity by giving us all a nice lesson on vaping etiquette. you can string together nice long sentances with fancy words and wonderfull analogies.

but it simply does not change the fact that in your opening post you wrote and told us all that you acted like a an obnoxious brat.

what i think has happened here is that you vastly exagerated a bad attitude to others in your opening post with the idea that you thought everyone would find it funny and cool.
you simply didnt expect the vast majority of people to react in the way they did so now you wish you had not written a less than accurate post in the 1st place and so are now backtracking and even given us a lesson on how to vape in public and how to politely respond to people who dont like it!

being a singer, artist, cartoonist does not mean anything. ive been playing guitar and in bands since i was 9 years old. ive done the pub circuit and even played gigs in america.......big deal, that does not give me a reason to act like a tw4t in public.

you are acting like im the only person who has said what i said or thinks what i think. plenty of others have said similar, yet you seem to want to make a point of addressing me. thats cool, i guess i must have touched a nerve somewhere. you can say what ever you like.......it wont change my opinion of your opening statement.


you obviously seem to enjoy contradicting yourself with every new statement you come out with, so i will just let you carry on and have your fun.

maybe im being too sensitive over it as my grandad recently died, but i have real issues with people who purposely enjoy upsetting the elderly.

 

[Spikey]

maybe im being too sensitive over it as my grandad recently died, but i have real issues with people who purposely enjoy upsetting the elderly.

igetcha... I am so sorry to hear about your grandad. My grandma's sister just recently passed and she was the last of that generation from our immediate family still living. It is a very sad thing. Amazing how lucky they are to be so wise and share so much withus when they live so long though.

incin... I have a suggestion... you are obviously fairly intelligent and you have the desire to be here... so why don't we all just let this thread go to the bottom of the pile and incin can start a new one that says "hey all.. I am new here!". Then we can all come in like we do and say "welcome incin!" and we can get to know each other for REAL!

Just a thought...

by the way... welcome incin!

 

[taukimada]

igetcha... I am so sorry to hear about your grandad. My grandma's sister just recently passed and she was the last of that generation from our immediate family still living. It is a very sad thing. Amazing how lucky they are to be so wise and share so much withus when they live so long though.

incin... I have a suggestion... you are obviously fairly intelligent and you have the desire to be here... so why don't we all just let this thread go to the bottom of the pile and incin can start a new one that says "hey all.. I am new here!". Then we can all come in like we do and say "welcome incin!" and we can get to know each other for REAL!

Just a thought...

by the way... welcome incin!

right on girl... that WOULD be the best course of action in this mess

 

[igetcha]

igetcha... I am so sorry to hear about your grandad. My grandma's sister just recently passed and she was the last of that generation from our immediate family still living. It is a very sad thing. Amazing how lucky they are to be so wise and share so much withus when they live so long though.

incin... I have a suggestion... you are obviously fairly intelligent and you have the desire to be here... so why don't we all just let this thread go to the bottom of the pile and incin can start a new one that says "hey all.. I am new here!". Then we can all come in like we do and say "welcome incin!" and we can get to know each other for REAL!

Just a thought...

by the way... welcome incin!

cheers for the kind words spikey, i really appreciate it.

and yes, i 110% agree that it would be really nice to start fresh, let sleeping dogs lie etc etc

incin,

i know you wont believe me, but i actually think you are more than likely a very nice lady. i still think you was a bit of a plonker in your opening post, but as the thread progressed i most definitely saw a far better side to you........and it was a side of you that i thought we would actually get along quite well under different circumstances.

now im pretty positive that you will want to have the last say from my previous reply, so i will be a gent and let you have it. say what you want, get it off your chest and then lets be done with it. no matter what you write, my response shall only be one of friendship.

cheers,

scott

 

[Spikey]

and yes, i 110% agree that it would be really nice to start fresh, let sleeping dogs lie etc etc

incin,

i know you wont believe me, but i actually think you are more than likely a very nice lady. i still think you was a bit of a plonker in your opening post, but as the thread progressed i most definitely saw a far better side to you........and it was a side of you that i thought we would actually get along quite well under different circumstances.

now im pretty positive that you will want to have the last say from my previous reply, so i will be a gent and let you have it. say what you want, get it off your chest and then lets be done with it. no matter what you write, my response shall only be one of friendship.

cheers,

scott

That was lovely Scott I am SO feeling the love in this thread now Group hug everyone... group hug!

 

[Jimbob]

I just wish everyone could get along... non smokers, smokers, vapers and non vapers... too bad people have egos.

I don't think it is right for a smoker or vaper to smugly stick their pleasure/habit in anyone's face, but on the flip side I am utterly sick and tired of people thinking it is socially acceptable to berate or lecture smokers minding the laws... let alone vapers...

I have yet to understand why anyone thinks they can take it upon themselves to judge someone for sucking down vapor?? I never even try to use it in non-smoking areas, just outside or in designated smoking spots but that doesn't stop the lecturers from telling me stuff like "wow, maybe someday you'll breath air like the rest of us" or "it's still bad for you" or "aren't you just so smart standing in second hand smoke sucking on fog"...

grrr.

What is with people on both sides of this issue? Don't stick vaping in their face, and don't harass me for trying to be healthier and still enjoy life

 

[Terraphon]

Here's what I think happened, here.

OP made a post trying to be a badass vape-nazi.

OP got clowned for being an idiot.

OP got defensive and now feels the need to stand by her guns to save face.

OP can not save face and will fail.

That is all...

 

[Spikey]

That was lovely Scott I am SO feeling the love in this thread now Group hug everyone... group hug!

Here's what I think happened, here.

OP made a post trying to be a badass vape-nazi.

OP got clowned for being an idiot.

OP got defensive and now feels the need to stand by her guns to save face.

OP can not save face and will fail.

That is all...

Did you miss that group hug up there? We r trying to be NICE now.. NOT instigate more trouble! Just like you Terr Are you bored from the slowdown since the other night? What the hell is OP anyway?

 

[Terraphon]

OP = "original post" or "original poster" depending on context.

Also, I missed the group hug...I see it NOW but I wasn't looking, earlier. I was half reading, half texting, half thinking about gettin' me some booty.

Yeah, that's 3 halves...LOVE IT.

 

[taukimada]

OP = "original post" or "original poster" depending on context.

Also, I missed the group hug...I see it NOW but I wasn't looking, earlier. I was half reading, half texting, half thinking about gettin' me some booty.

Yeah, that's 3 halves...LOVE IT.

change one of those halves and use them to get ya some bootay

 

[Terraphon]

Well, the half texting leads to the half booty.

Once I get there, I stop texting and don't have to read so then I have a (w)hole.

Yep...