People hate vapor. But the cops don't care.

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for analogs and gasoline - it takes an open flame or spark to light gasoline (actually, to ignite the fumes). The glowing end of a cigarette will not ignite gasoline. That being said, sometimes when smoking an analog there will be a spot in the cig paper where there is a clump of gunpowder and it will flare. That WILL ignite gasoline fumes. (for those that smoke, or used to smoke, analogs, you know what i'm referring to - those rare times when smoking and suddenly your ciggy 'farts' and flares)

Diesel fuel is another matter. A lit cigarette will ignite diesel.

As for e-cigs, no idea if it would ignite gasoline or not. I suspect not, but have no desire to be the one to test it ;)

i'm not trying to put this "meanly", but where did you get those facts?

firstly.. for those saying only an open flame... explain to me where the flame is coming from in a "SPARK" plug?.. which to the uninformed is your ignition source in the standard gasoline engine..

and as to deisel.. whch is the only reason i quoted you instead of others...

deisel is LESS flmmable.. as i was informed by the fire department on the 4th of july many moons ago where i was hanging out with a freind working at a gas station when some drunk idiot with a lit ciggie in hand ran over the deisel pump... we were told that deisel was less flammable and if he had hit the regular pumps... we would have possibly been the brightest loudest fireworks display of that night
 

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Don't vape in gas stations, there are petrol fumes around and your atomiser has a glowing element!

Is it an urban myth or is it true that someone's mobile caught fire once?

Saying all that, I've seen a guy sitting on a fuel drum and puffing away on a kretek at a filling station in Borneo ;) Should've taken a pic.


this is how easy it CAN be to ignite fuel..

it's a less than likely scenario.. kinda like the chemicals we vape.. but the risk is there..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxa943UrpYM
 

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Thanks for correction. I know I'm correct on the gasoline/cig thing (have experimented myself with it) but was going on hearsay on the diesel thing.

Other post edited ;)


woopsie.. posted before i read further.. again.. i never meant it as nasty towards you :oops:

also..the lit cig in the liquid... the liquid is not combustible... it's the fumes that are HIGLY combustible.. (as Walrus pointed out).. boaters are VERY aware of this.. if you've ever looked at a boat and wondered "why in the heck would they put holes in the sides right near the water line???" gas fumes are your answer.. with a walled in deck boats are overly susseptable to a concentration of "lighter than air" gas fumes accumulating along the deck.. and then the engine igniting them
 

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okay..im done with the statistics... back on point...

to OP... here's the problem with your attitude...

first off.. contrary to your beliefe.. no cop in the world is going to save you from being booted when the owner or management state they want you gone for ANY reason.. you may be able to prove that it's not a REAL ciggie.. but then management can always tell the cops.. "SCREW HER.. she has a sh*t attitude and i want her gone anyways".. and WHOOPSIE.. you've just been booted for good.. and now.. you've given the impression that ALL vapors are asses who don't deserve the chance to explain...

honestly.. i never hesitate to whip out my handy 510 or penstyle and vape in public.. but that's because i enjoy explaining about it.. when i get a dirty look.. i confront.. not just smugly blow vape in their face..

all the reactions i've gotten if not positive at start are made to BECOME positive for all parties involved.. you'd be amazed at how easy it is to even convert the staunch non-smoker nazi with just that small and no brainer amount of time explaining.. i mean.. who can complain when you're puffing out CINNAMIN scented vapor :p.. i've even had quite a few NON-SMOKERS take hits of my ecig like there's no tommorrow :D:D:D
 

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more than likely it was the static electricity from the woman getting in and then back out of the car. not the cell phone.

snopes.com: Cell Phone Use at Gas Pump


agreed... the point of me posting it was mainly to show that it COULD happen.. there are certain risks that just really aren't worth taking

now i'm gonna take my buddies down here to the local Exxon for coffee
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i'm not trying to put this "meanly", but where did you get those facts?

firstly.. for those saying only an open flame... explain to me where the flame is coming from in a "SPARK" plug?.. which to the uninformed is your ignition source in the standard gasoline engine..
why i said "open flame or spark" ;) Can also be caused by one of those farts and flares that analog cigs sometimes emit (from clumps of gunpowder in paper).

and as to deisel.. whch is the only reason i quoted you instead of others...
diesel resolved
when some drunk idiot with a lit ciggie in hand ran over the deisel pump... we were told that deisel was less flammable and if he had hit the regular pumps... we would have possibly been the brightest loudest fireworks display of that night
only if he woulda lit it where the lighter would have ignited the fumes or if the cig would have had a "flare" (and they sometimes do) that would have ignited the fumes. Proof - take a tablespoon of gasoline and pour it out on pavement. Hold a lit cigarette a could of mm above the gasoline. It wont ignite. Reason - A glowing cig doesnt burn as hot as a spark or flame. BUT, again I reiterate that cigs sometime flare and that WILL ignite it. So, dont smoke analogs near gasoline.

as for original topic - Like others have posted, there's no reason to be "in your face" with e-cigs. That will only cause animosity towards the devices (and we have enough probs with federal regulators).
 

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only if he woulda lit it where the lighter would have ignited the fumes or if the cig would have had a "flare" (and they sometimes do) that would have ignited the fumes. Proof - take a tablespoon of gasoline and pour it out on pavement. Hold a lit cigarette a could of mm above the gasoline. It wont ignite. Reason - A glowing cig doesnt burn as hot as a spark or flame. BUT, again I reiterate that cigs sometime flare and that WILL ignite it. So, dont smoke analogs near gasoline.

as for original topic - Like others have posted, there's no reason to be "in your face" with e-cigs. That will only cause animosity towards the devices (and we have enough probs with federal regulators).


with the tablespoon.. you are correct that it wont easily ignite... Walrus pointed out the problem with that.. ventilated... take that same tablespoon and put it in a small bucket and find a way to dangle that ciggie above the liquid without touching.. you'll get a different result..

according to the firemen at the scene of the pump destruction... deisel has a much higher flashpoint thatn regular gasoline... we really would have needed a blowtorch to ignite it... if it had been a regular pump the ciggie could very well have ignited it... the difference of normally vs the pump crash???.. when he hit the pump the fuel SPRAYED... thus taking some of it up higher than the car.. gas is heavier than air.. the "vaporized" fuel slowly coming back down to the ground COULD have been ignited...

in the long run.. it's all down to some VERY specific circumstances.. that aren't overly easy to reproduce by accident... but is it worth the risk to add fire to the fuel??... oi vey.. i can't believe i just said that
 

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Man, ever since the first day of having this thing, it has been a blast bothering the heck out of everyone I can think of. And only because it shows them their own ridiculousness in their preconcieved notions--which I think is a good deed if anything is.
Why would you purposely want to bother strangers? Imagine if a stranger pointed what looks exactly like a gun at you. And then the stranger pulls the trigger. For a brief moment you'd have a heart attack. And then when a flame comes out of it and you realize its just a lighter, I'm sure you wouldn't just say, "Ah my ridiculous preconceived notions made me think that was a gun."
Obviously a cigarette isn't the same as a gun, but its just an analogy.

Places where lots of old people shop. Or rich people. They will give you the most horrible looks.
We're all going to be old one day and when we are, we too will fail to understand the younger generation. Treat them as you'll want to be treated at that age.

I will get people gawking like their jaws are chained to the floor, and then flipping me off as I leave.
So entertaining.
Rather immature to "get off" on "pissing off" other people.

But the funny ones are "I don't think that's legal," "I'll have to ask my manager" (questionable IQ in this instance-- I do offer ample explaination), or my favorite.. "You can't smoke in here... GET OUT!!!!" hahahafkljdflk;djfl.
Once again, why would someone who has never heard of this thing think they were a-ok to use? In today's age where everyone sues everyone, something that emits anything into the breathing air is going to be suspect.

But the cops are totally cool about it. I sit there vaping away on the hill. They just pass me by.
Count yourself lucky. Not all cops are as understanding. Some might get upset that you're the one causing a commotion.
 

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I don't remember this forum ever having a more immature, vindictive, intellectually devoid post than that one. I certainly hope the poster doesn't expect responsible e-smokers to shout "attagirl" about irresponsible actions.

We can't control what the FDA does, but we can all help educate the public by being considerate with the devices, by explaining them when asked, by seeking permission on property we don't own. When you turn the public off with your delinquent behavior, you damage the prospect of e-smoking becoming accepted. We need favorable public opinion, not a bunch of people "flipping off" ugly e-smokers.

What were you thinking? (Nevermind, you weren't.)
 

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I don't remember this forum ever having a more immature, vindictive, intellectually devoid post than that one. I certainly hope the poster doesn't expect responsible e-smokers to shout "attagirl" about irresponsible actions.

We can't control what the FDA does, but we can all help educate the public by being considerate with the devices, by explaining them when asked, by seeking permission on property we don't own. When you turn the public off with your delinquent behavior, you damage the prospect of e-smoking becoming accepted. We need favorable public opinion, not a bunch of people "flipping off" ugly e-smokers.

What were you thinking? (Nevermind, you weren't.)



I agree 100%. Just because it isn't illegal does not mean it is acceptable. I stated in another post that till the public is informed about us, we should show some restraint. I smoke analogs and vape, if I were in a non smoking area and someone lit up, I would be ....... People who do not know about ecigs, which is most, have a right to be negative.

Just because cell phones are legal in public does not mean you have to stand next to me and blab away about your doctors appointment, last Fridays party, or your kids teacher. Just damn rude.

Please show a little decency and respect.
 

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It's true that some people may be concerned for some reason. But if you think about it, why would someone just walk into a store and start smoking a cigarette blatantly? I mean, I figure people should have more common sense than that.

And besides that, my in-your-face way of communicating is a product of my environment largely. I grew up in a very conservative little city and my parents taught me to be creative. I dyed my hair every color of the rainbow and used to have 5 piercings on my face. People reacted horribly, grown men and women would make fun of me call me names etc. It's bizarre and I suppose I may be young enough that I haven't fully shed the mannerisms and nuiances of those around me. It's not just a way of being, it's also a way of thinking. My boyfriend's got dreadlocks. I'm already screwed when I walk into an establishment--they think I'm going to steal something :/ It gets old. People lookin' you up and down. Unfortunately I like to be clever and sarcastic. Maybe if I could get a job and had my own place I'd be at peace with the world as I was a year ago :]

Oh well, I should probably take to heart some of these comments -- they must be coming from some way of reasoning, and are probably therefore valid to the extent of consideration. I have trouble approaching people in an inviting way, in fact. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to attempt at least to shed those attributes I so strongly find fault with in others. Then again, people often refuse to trust my good intentions.



and to anyone who incinuated I do not think......
I spend a good portion of my day analyzing right from wrong, the way I think vs the way others think, as well as extensive sessions of staring into space as my mind is occupied by question after question. My brain runs on rapid fire mode and is never, ever quiet. It's a disorder in many senses and I acTually take psychiatric medication I have been perscribed with to help quiet the noise. It's very difficult to edit it to my exact specifications, I will add.
So perhaps you might stop to wonder why I would act a way instead of purely stating that because you do not act in a similar fashion I must then comply precisely to similar functioning.
 
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DAD AT THE MALL

I took my dad to the mall the other day to buy some new shoes, (he is
92). We decided to grab a bite at the food court. I noticed he was
watching a teenager sitting next to him. The teenager had spiked hair
in all different colors: green, red, orange, and blue. My dad kept
staring at him. The teenager would look and find him staring every time.

When the teenager had had enough, he sarcastically asked, "What's the
matter, old man? Never done anything wild in your life?"

Knowing my Dad, I quickly swallowed my food so that I would not choke
on his response, knowing he would have a good one, and in classic style
he did not bat an eye in his response.

"Got drunk once and had sex with a peacock. I was just wondering if you
were my son."

Sorry, couldn't resist.
 

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okay..im done with the statistics... back on point...

to OP... here's the problem with your attitude...

first off.. contrary to your beliefe.. no cop in the world is going to save you from being booted when the owner or management state they want you gone for ANY reason.. you may be able to prove that it's not a REAL ciggie.. but then management can always tell the cops.. "SCREW HER.. she has a sh*t attitude and i want her gone anyways".. and WHOOPSIE.. you've just been booted for good.. and now.. you've given the impression that ALL vapors are asses who don't deserve the chance to explain...

honestly.. i never hesitate to whip out my handy 510 or penstyle and vape in public.. but that's because i enjoy explaining about it.. when i get a dirty look.. i confront.. not just smugly blow vape in their face..

all the reactions i've gotten if not positive at start are made to BECOME positive for all parties involved.. you'd be amazed at how easy it is to even convert the staunch non-smoker nazi with just that small and no brainer amount of time explaining.. i mean.. who can complain when you're puffing out CINNAMIN scented vapor :p.. i've even had quite a few NON-SMOKERS take hits of my ecig like there's no tommorrow :D:D:D


Somewhere someone is getting the impression I have a shiazzat-esque attitude.. which I never stated. I don't blow vapor in people's faces. I don't laugh at people who say wtf. I don't make the same nasty faces they make back. It's like kicking rocks on the street. I find it very entertaining to watch people's reactions, but I don't do anything wrong. I do nothing to warrant a reaction as severe as the people give me. I suppose it's like a lesson in karma -- people who are willing to pour out negativity will find nothing but an air of negativity they have allowed to surface. I simply allow the reactions to unfold one by one. Someone asks a question, I am friendly. Someone gives me a mean look, I leave it at that and have a nice day. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm having fun.
 

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DAD AT THE MALL

I took my dad to the mall the other day to buy some new shoes, (he is
92). We decided to grab a bite at the food court. I noticed he was
watching a teenager sitting next to him. The teenager had spiked hair
in all different colors: green, red, orange, and blue. My dad kept
staring at him. The teenager would look and find him staring every time.

When the teenager had had enough, he sarcastically asked, "What's the
matter, old man? Never done anything wild in your life?"

Knowing my Dad, I quickly swallowed my food so that I would not choke
on his response, knowing he would have a good one, and in classic style
he did not bat an eye in his response.

"Got drunk once and had sex with a peacock. I was just wondering if you
were my son."

Sorry, couldn't resist.


Well, I can be glad I'm a little more clever or at least a little less cynical or preconcieved in my notions than this teenager. I keep forgetting I'm going to get copies of pictures of my bf and hand them out to people who gawk.
 

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Well, I can be glad I'm a little more clever or at least a little less cynical or preconcieved in my notions than this teenager. I keep forgetting I'm going to get copies of pictures of my bf and hand them out to people who gawk.


Yeah yeah I know whatcha mean I was born and raised in NYC, seen it all.
But I remember those summer vacation in the midwest to visit relatives, I know the reaction you get out there is a lot different.
Have fun while you're still young, just don't step on any toes doing it.
 

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Why would you purposely want to bother strangers? Imagine if a stranger pointed what looks exactly like a gun at you. And then the stranger pulls the trigger. For a brief moment you'd have a heart attack. And then when a flame comes out of it and you realize its just a lighter, I'm sure you wouldn't just say, "Ah my ridiculous preconceived notions made me think that was a gun."
Obviously a cigarette isn't the same as a gun, but its just an analogy.


We're all going to be old one day and when we are, we too will fail to understand the younger generation. Treat them as you'll want to be treated at that age.

Rather immature to "get off" on "pissing off" other people.

Once again, why would someone who has never heard of this thing think they were a-ok to use? In today's age where everyone sues everyone, something that emits anything into the breathing air is going to be suspect.


Count yourself lucky. Not all cops are as understanding. Some might get upset that you're the one causing a commotion.




Oh, zot.
There is a huge difference between a gun and a cigarette, just as there is a difference between preconcieved notions and an assumption. People shoot people in stores. It's happened. How often does someone walk into a store with a cigarette? Especially one that has no smell and lights up blue at the end, not to mention is made out of metal? I dress rather normally, have rather plain brown hair. I don't look like some little punk. My point about preconcieved notions is that people refuse to let go of strong feelings they have about certain groups/types of people (such as young people-- a very broad range of people that clearly one attribute is unlikley to be true of all) that they refuse to let go of, no matter what reasoning they are faced with. These are the people who wont' take me seriously when I ask a detailed question -- they want to get rid of me and act as though they have reason to doubt my credibility or honesty. I call these on a case-by-case basis, not quite making it a preconcieved notion. I don't assume this about anyone, merely acknowledge the response.

ANd I don't like pissing people off. I feel the negativity they show me is their own dues and figure all I have is to learn from the experience.

Besides that, in a perfect world people would expect new and surprising innovations with our changes in technology. I guess I fail to understand logical reasoning in people who refuse to adapt to new knowledge. If anything, right vs wrong, and right/wrong towards others is something instilled in people from young ages on a worldwide scale. I should only feel lucky that I have found a balance and do not seek to bring negativity to others, merely avoid the intolerable negativity (such as violence) others project which you cannot control and live with the rest.

+++edited the first post for clarification where it seems amply due
 
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It's true that some people may be concerned for some reason. But if you think about it, why would someone just walk into a store and start smoking a cigarette blatantly? I mean, I figure people should have more common sense than that.

And besides that, my in-your-face way of communicating is a product of my environment largely. I grew up in a very conservative little city and my parents taught me to be creative. I dyed my hair every color of the rainbow and used to have 5 piercings on my face. People reacted horribly, grown men and women would make fun of me call me names etc. It's bizarre and I suppose I may be young enough that I haven't fully shed the mannerisms and nuiances of those around me. It's not just a way of being, it's also a way of thinking. My boyfriend's got dreadlocks. I'm already screwed when I walk into an establishment--they think I'm going to steal something :/ It gets old. People lookin' you up and down. Unfortunately I like to be clever and sarcastic. Maybe if I could get a job and had my own place I'd be at peace with the world as I was a year ago :]

Oh well, I should probably take to heart some of these comments -- they must be coming from some way of reasoning, and are probably therefore valid to the extent of consideration. I have trouble approaching people in an inviting way, in fact. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to attempt at least to shed those attributes I so strongly find fault with in others. Then again, people often refuse to trust my good intentions.



and to anyone who incinuated I do not think......
I spend a good portion of my day analyzing right from wrong, the way I think vs the way others think, as well as extensive sessions of staring into space as my mind is occupied by question after question. My brain runs on rapid fire mode and is never, ever quiet. It's a disorder in many senses and I acTually take psychiatric medication I have been perscribed with to help quiet the noise. It's very difficult to edit it to my exact specifications, I will add.
So perhaps you might stop to wonder why I would act a way instead of purely stating that because you do not act in a similar fashion I must then comply precisely to similar functioning.

your parents taught you to be creative by dying your hair different colours and shoving metal in to your face? i wouldnt call that creative, i would call that trying to be individual with the sole purpose to shock and get attention.
i would guess that you are the youngest sibling who in your parents eyes never quite matched up to your elder brother or sister. you probably felt that they didnt pay you much attention so dying your hair and getting peircings is your way of saying "look at me, i exist!"
all of your actions, from the hair dye to vaping in public is for the sole purpose of attention seeking..........of which im sure gives you a buzz!
you complain of people giving you "looks" but what do you expect? your image and attitude to others is on one hand screaming "everyone, look at me!!!" but then saying "dont look at me, dont judge me".

being an individual is great, and i have no issues with that at all. i dont care what a person looks like.........they could be black, white, pink or green, they could have a skin head or a mohican........it doesnt matter as long as they are nice people who are condiderate to others.

true perception of a person is based on their actions, not on their looks.
for example, im a big 6 foot 5 guy and for many years i had a number one shaved head (skinhead basically) and i only shaved once a week. quite frankly i looked like a member of the NF (national front, a highly racist group of thugs who were making a storm during the 80's).
people would stare at me, cross the road, feel intimidated etc.......especially the elderly who im sure thought i was about to mug them. but i would make a point of being polite to those people, to say hello to them, open doors for woman with pushchairs, help old ladies cross the road etc
to see the people then react to me in a very positive and friendly manner is something very special and rewarding. it was great to be able to think that even though i chose to look like how i did, people realised not to judge me on my looks but on the way i treated them.

and the reactions i would get when people saw me in the street holding hands with my wife was very funny!
my wife is indian! we soooooooo dont look like a couple! lol (together 10 years though now!)

so my whole point is........YES! be individual, be different, wear what you want, look how you want BUT be nice to others, and others will be nice to you.

try it!
 
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