Sigh... I see what you're doing here as splitting hairs, unnecessarily, and missing the larger goal at hand.
I did not say they do not work, I said they do not work for the majority of people trying to achieve
complete abstinence, especially heavy smokers. There is a huge difference there. If your goal is to be able to "smoke" in bars or restaurants where smoking is not allowed (as many
cigalike ads claim), but continue smoking otherwise, then
cigalikes are for you. If you want to cut back on how much you smoke, or if you are a light smoker who wants to quit, then maybe
cigalikes will work for you, maybe not. If you're a heavy smoker trying to quit, then forget it.
You accuse me of splitting hairs after going thru that diatribe? Concluding with "if you're a heavy smoker trying to quit, then forget it" with implication of "they will not work."
I stand by that they can work, and that I was a heavy smoker. I wasn't the heaviest smoker, so if this conversation turns into splitting hairs on what it means to be a heavy smoker, then yet again, you'll come out on top (in your mind).
I don't see why in this discussion it can't be that they both work. And that one works better. Why does it have to be for you, as well as others, that they simply cannot work (with all the stipulations you added) and therefore only the larger devices are to be used?
I'm fairly convinced that as long as I choose to smoke, you could give me super duper best device around, and I will still be a smoker after whatever amount of time you wish to put on that for me to give it a "fair try." You seem to think that I am not choosing to smoke but am still addicted to smoking because, well cigalikes do that sort of thing.
And what is our goal here in fighting these regulations? Is it to make sure we have access to any e-cig, or is it to make sure that our access to e-cig products is sufficient enough to guarantee that all smokers have a real chance at sustaining complete abstinence?
I do not share in the cause that vaping exists solely for smokers to have a real chance at complete abstinence. I think that is wonderful, nay great, for a personal choice among individuals. I honor that choice for whatever individual chooses to go in that direction. But I do not respect that as a cause for the vaping community because I think it is much too tricky politically, and is rather unnecessary. Did we need FDA approval of vaping products to get to this point? Did we need some third party entity to see our devices in that light for that to occur to us, either as individuals or as a collective? I say, strongly, no we did not.
I wish for all vaping products to be seen as a recreational product that adults have open access to via free choice. If that potential consumer is a non-smoker that wishes to take up vaping, I would honor that decision. I may wish to educate or discuss certain things with that sort of individual, but wouldn't require they have a discussion or educational situation to exercise their free choice as an adult.
And there you go, proving my point ever so perfectly
You have not sustained abstinence with cigalikes as you generally smoke at least 1 cigarette a day (which is far better than before of course, but is still not quite quitting), but you
believe you can quit if you want to! Well, sir, I
believe that pigs can fly, but that doesn't make it so! (Though if they could, their wings would be delicious...)
And as I've said elsewhere, I have experience with cessation from smoking, after being a heavy smoker, for longer than any vaper has quit smoking via vaping. So, my belief is backed up by my experience of cessation. You may wish to downplay this claim of cessation all that you desire by noting that I eventually went back. But, I say those vapers who are feeling high and mighty with their cessation schtick to come see me in 5 years and we'll talk about what it really means to stay away from smoking. Until then, you are the ones that are sometimes hard to believe are "really quit" when I hear claims often on vaping forums that amount to, "if they do thus and so with eCigs, I'll be forced to go back to smoking."
I am a dual user that has broken the addiction to smoking, and I have done this with cigalikes. If you need to split hairs on what I mean by "user" and by "addiction" and by "done this with cigalikes," I am glad to elaborate as has already been demonstrated.
But keep making ridiculous claims along lines of no one (no heavy smoker) can quit smoking via use of cigalikes, and I'll keep responding to those ridiculous claims with reason.
