Pet Peeves...

[Ken_A]

I am a noob at this and have a ton of questions, some would be considered stupid by people who have been doing this for a while but hey...Im new and just do not know.

Take it easy on us noobs...we are still learning...and remember, you were a noob once too.

Which brings me to the "noobs" who know it all only to post a year later how wrong they were

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Another pet peeve....juices that take way too long to steep. I don't have the patience to wait over 4 weeks for steeping.

I know that one... I have a watermelon from MBV (Mt Baker Vapor) that has been sitting for 6 weeks, and JUST NOW is vapable. and fairly tasty. I won't order it again just because I hate waiting that long. Haven't found a single watermelon yet that didn't have the taste of rind in it unless steeped.

 

[rurwin]

My pet peeve is people who set themselves up as experts and then say stuff that sounds technical but has no scientific meaning. ANTZ springs to mind, but I'm sorry Nikkita I'm going to pull you up on this:

Different metals have different conductivity levels, with stainless steel being the lowest (7% conductive), and copper being the highest (100% conductive), with brass and aluminum rated in between these two.

There is no such thing as percentage conductivity, and the only thing that could possibly be said to be 100% conductive is a superconductor. If your mod is green and only works when submerged in liquid nitrogen then fair enough.

Copper has a resistivity of 16.8 nano ohm metres. Stainless steel has a resistivity of around 690 nano ohm metres. So if copper was allocated 100%, then stainless steel would be 2.4% conductive. But silver is only 15.9 nano ohm metres, and graphine less than that.
Say we have a rubbish mod made of stainless steel, it is 20mm diameter and maybe half a mm thick, so 31mm² or 31x10^-6m² cross-section and let's say it's 10 cm long. That's 690x10^-9 x 0.1 / 31x10^-6 = 0.002 ohms. It won't make any difference even to the insane 0.1 ohm vaper.

What will make a difference is the size of the end connections, how corroded they are, how hard you press the button and how the button connects to the case. I don't see any manufacturer gold-plating their battery or 510 connections for example, and so far as I can see all of them expect a thin brass spring to make a decent connection to the case and the button.

 

[Rocketpunk]

My rant is against 18+ teens and youngsters chasing clouds.

99% of the fault is with sub-ohm vapers.

I have a beef with sub-ohmers. They're playing in a universe that is dangerous and seductive.

Do you know how many 18 year olds come in saying, "I just want to blow HUGE CLOUDS! That's all I want! I want whatever will let me do that!"

I just shake my head.

They're too young to realize no one cares about blowing clouds except the people who like blowing clouds. No one else gives a bleep how big your cloud is.

It's a juvenile mentality akin to seeing who's is bigger than who's.

 

[Blind Squirrel]

no one cares about blowing clouds except the people who like blowing clouds

huh?

Let em' blow clouds if they want to. Doesn't matter. If they screw it up and a battery vents on them it's on them. Come to the dark side, Rocketpunk! (That was me being seductive. )

 

[lulu836]

My rant is against 18+ teens and youngsters chasing clouds.

99% of the fault is with sub-ohm vapers.

I have a beef with sub-ohmers. They're playing in a universe that is dangerous and seductive.

Do you know how many 18 year olds come in saying, "I just want to blow HUGE CLOUDS! That's all I want! I want whatever will let me do that!"

I just shake my head.

They're too young to realize no one cares about blowing clouds except the people who like blowing clouds. No one else gives a bleep how big your cloud is.

It's a juvenile mentality akin to seeing who's is bigger than who's.

I would like to join in on your peeve if I may. I went into a relatively new vape store in my town which is run by two pimply twenty-somethings. They had a friend of theirs in the store with a huge mod and a sub-ohm set up with what must have had 100% VG in the topper. This rotund kid was lung inhaling and practically filling the store with vapor. After he had discharged enough vapor to satisfy whatever his goal was he told me he had never smoked ever, at all. So I would like to add a peeve of my own. Why do people who have never smoked want to take up vaping. Maybe I''m too old to understand a valid reason but in my part of the country you just can't fix stupid.

 

[Nikkita6]

My pet peeve is people who set themselves up as experts and then say stuff that sounds technical but has no scientific meaning. ANTZ springs to mind, but I'm sorry Nikkita I'm going to pull you up on this:

There is no such thing as percentage conductivity, and the only thing that could possibly be said to be 100% conductive is a superconductor. If your mod is green and only works when submerged in liquid nitrogen then fair enough.

Copper has a resistivity of 16.8 nano ohm metres. Stainless steel has a resistivity of around 690 nano ohm metres. So if copper was allocated 100%, then stainless steel would be 2.4% conductive. But silver is only 15.9 nano ohm metres, and graphine less than that.
Say we have a rubbish mod made of stainless steel, it is 20mm diameter and maybe half a mm thick, so 31mm² or 31x10^-6m² cross-section and let's say it's 10 cm long. That's 690x10^-9 x 0.1 / 31x10^-6 = 0.002 ohms. It won't make any difference even to the insane 0.1 ohm vaper.

What will make a difference is the size of the end connections, how corroded they are, how hard you press the button and how the button connects to the case. I don't see any manufacturer gold-plating their battery or 510 connections for example, and so far as I can see all of them expect a thin brass spring to make a decent connection to the case and the button.

Oh no problem .. but let me clear in the fact that I have not set myself up as expert, and the information that I listed came directly from a Material IACS (International Annealed Copper Standard) % Conductivity chart, compliments of kp44.org. ;-) So the IACS doesn't quite agree with you.

" IACS is the abbreviation for International Annealed Copper Standard and the number preceding "IACS" is the percentage of conductivity a material has relative to copper, which is considered to be 100% conductive. This does not, of course, mean that copper has no resistance (is 100% conductive in an absolute sense), but rather that it is the standard by which other materials are measured. The higher the % IACS, the more conductive the material is. This standard is based on an annealed copper wire having a density of 8.89 g/cm3, 1 meter long, weighing 1 gram, with a resistance of 0.15328 ohms. This standard is assigned the value 100 at 20°C (68°F). Armed with this knowledge it is interesting to examine the IACS conductivity values of some common materials."



I don't usually speak out of my backside, and what I wrote in my comment was taken from published materials on this topic. Now, I am also familiar with metal resistivity and conductivity charts which DO NOT USE percentages with regard to metal conductivity, which is like chinese to anyone who isn't an electrical engineer ... here is the link to kp44.org for anyone interested.

My pet peeve is anyone who tries to "check you", without first crossing all of their T's, and dotting their I's.


Electrical Conductivity of Materials

 

[Eranda13]

I hate the word "topper". It's an atomizer. A tank, a clearo, a carto tank, an RBA, RDA. Not a "topper".

 

[Denney Coning]

So far my biggest peeve doesn't have to do with vapers really. (Even though these cloud chasers are climbing the list) It is with the people who don't vape and see you doing it the first time. Why is one of their first few questions always drug related? I understand it's different but do you really think I would be on break at my random drug testing job smoking [edited]?

 

[Bikenstein]

So far my biggest peeve doesn't have to do with vapers really. (Even though these cloud chasers are climbing the list) It is with the people who don't vape and see you doing it the first time. Why is one of their first few questions always drug related? I understand it's different but do you really think I would be on break at my random drug testing job [edited]?

Could be the hair

 

[rurwin]

Fascinating. I apologise for talking out of my rear as far as knowledge of the IACS. I might disagree with your holding that IACS confuses fewer people than would ohm metres, but I'm a pedant at heart and the matter is arguable.

The fact remains that the correct value for Stainless Steel is 2.3%, not 7%. It is also the case that no mod is made of copper, only brass, and the conductivity of brass is only 23-28% (ibid).

And I stand by my calculation showing that making a mod out of stainless steel does not significantly impair it's resistance. Brass may be ten times as conductive, but the difference between 0.002 and 0.0002 ohms is negligible even in an ultra low-ohm build.

While IACS percentage is useful for comparison of wire sizes -- one needs to know that a wire made of aluminium needs to be a certain amount larger than a wire made of copper to handle the same load -- I don't see it is useful for any other tasks, such as evaluating different materials for making mods. One needs to know the absolute conductivity in order to determine whether the sizes required for mechanical strength will have any important effect on the total resistance. Using percentage conductivity simply adds complexity. You wont be comparing percentages directly, since a brass mod will likely have a thicker wall size than stainless steel for reasons of mechanical strength. And not taking that extra step creates a danger of being misled, for instance by condemning stainless steel for a task to which it is eminently suited.

 

[zoiDman]

Oh no problem .. but let me clear in the fact that I have not set myself up as expert, and the information that I listed came directly from a Material IACS (International Annealed Copper Standard) % Conductivity chart, compliments of kp44.org. ;-) So the IACS doesn't quite agree with you.

" IACS is the abbreviation for International Annealed Copper Standard and the number preceding "IACS" is the percentage of conductivity a material has relative to copper, which is considered to be 100% conductive. This does not, of course, mean that copper has no resistance (is 100% conductive in an absolute sense), but rather that it is the standard by which other materials are measured. The higher the % IACS, the more conductive the material is. This standard is based on an annealed copper wire having a density of 8.89 g/cm3, 1 meter long, weighing 1 gram, with a resistance of 0.15328 ohms. This standard is assigned the value 100 at 20°C (68°F). Armed with this knowledge it is interesting to examine the IACS conductivity values of some common materials."



I don't usually speak out of my backside, and what I wrote in my comment was taken from published materials on this topic. Now, I am also familiar with metal resistivity and conductivity charts which DO NOT USE percentages with regard to metal conductivity, which is like chinese to anyone who isn't an electrical engineer ... here is the link to kp44.org for anyone interested.

My pet peeve is anyone who tries to "check you", without first crossing all of their T's, and dotting their I's.


Electrical Conductivity of Materials

Maybe the Confusion came when you Didn't Mention the 100% Conductivity was based on the IACS Standard in your Original Post?

I know if someone told me that Silver was 105% Conductive without referencing some Relative Standard, I would Probably think that they were Kinda Misinformed.

 

[Nikkita6]

Fascinating. I apologise for talking out of my rear as far as knowledge of the IACS. I might disagree with your holding that IACS confuses fewer people than would ohm metres, but I'm a pedant at heart and the matter is arguable.

The fact remains that the correct value for Stainless Steel is 2.3%, not 7%. It is also the case that no mod is made of copper, only brass, and the conductivity of brass is only 23-28% (ibid).

And I stand by my calculation showing that making a mod out of stainless steel does not significantly impair it's resistance. Brass may be ten times as conductive, but the difference between 0.002 and 0.0002 ohms is negligible even in an ultra low-ohm build.

While IACS percentage is useful for comparison of wire sizes -- one needs to know that a wire made of aluminium needs to be a certain amount larger than a wire made of copper to handle the same load -- I don't see it is useful for any other tasks, such as evaluating different materials for making mods. One needs to know the absolute conductivity in order to determine whether the sizes required for mechanical strength will have any important effect on the total resistance. Using percentage conductivity simply adds complexity. You wont be comparing percentages directly, since a brass mod will likely have a thicker wall size than stainless steel for reasons of mechanical strength. And not taking that extra step creates a danger of being misled, for instance by condemning stainless steel for a task to which it is eminently suited.

Listen ... why don't we just sum all this up. You clearly know far more about the resistivity and conductivity of metals than I do, so it would be totally ignorant of me to argue this with you. And you are right, stainless steel is not 7% conductive, when I wrote that I was writing from memory, and even according to the IACS standard, my memory failed me a bit, truth (stainless steel specifically is not listed on the chart, but rather "steel" @3-15% conductivity relative to copper) ... but it doesn't take away from my basic point in my initial post, which was, that the metals/materials used for constructing a battery tube/case absolutely affects the level of conductivity of that particular device. A stainless steel mechanical mod with brass contacts, is less conductive than a brass mechanical mod with copper contacts.

And my only point to you was that there does exist a standard of measuring metal conductivity by percentage, relative to the 100% conductivity of copper, which we know to be the IACS (International Annealed Copper Standard), as you did say that no such measurement for metal conductivity exists.

Thats it, thats all ... its Love ... let us carry on and vape happy.

 

[Denney Coning]

Could be the hair

Could be but I've had the same hair for 5 years and smoked analogs all that time and more and was never asked that.

 

[Nikkita6]

Maybe the Confusion came when you Didn't Mention the 100% Conductivity was based on the IACS Standard in your Original Post?

I know if someone told me that Silver was 105% Conductive without referencing some Relative Standard, I would Probably think that they were Kinda Misinformed.

Very true, and duly noted ... I don't usually bust out the "verified standards" in casual discussions though, it was my intention to only make a basic point about different metals and levels of conductivity, I didn't expect the comment to turn into a technical/scientific debate/discussion .. it's all good.

 

[rurwin]

But, but, a stainless...

let us carry on and vape happy.

Yes, let's

 

[Ohms Lawbreaker]

I just read all that for a group hug? Well Kumbaya.

 

[Rocketpunk]

If Nikkita looks like her avatar and knows that kinda stuff... I have found a living goddess...!

 

[Nikkita6]

If Nikkita looks like her avatar and knows that kinda stuff... I have found a living goddess...!

Well that is really sweet, and humbling ... thank you. .. And @Ohms Lawbreaker, I love group hugs!!

 

[Southern Tina]

I am a noob at this and have a ton of questions, some would be considered stupid by people who have been doing this for a while but hey...Im new and just do not know.

We cant rely on what info is out there because there are so many contradictory posts on any one topic.

It has not happened a single time on ECF, and thats why I am still here...

Take it easy on us noobs...we are still learning...and remember, you were a noob once too.

Oh boy do I ever understand. I know a lot more than I used to but not as much as most people on here. Most have good intentions and are very helpful. Everyone is new at some point. No worries at all my friend

 

[celticluvr]

My pet peeve...

I've seen it time and again... A Newbie asking for a simple cig-a-like and tons of people rush in with mod this and mod that, Provari this and Reo that. Grrrr just tell them ego (or in my case volt) and LEAVE!!!! The poor dears get overwhelmed and probably ends up spending an arm, a leg and two .... holes trying to get the right set up when they just wanted something SMALL to begin with.


Oh and another thing is I've seen some newbies use drug references.... I am not blaming the Newbies as they don't know the rules yet... but where are the other ECF users helping them out a little so they don't get in trouble with the mods? geez.