Thats actually an interesting point. Are there any patents in existence for an ecig product? It seems most of the hardware comes from china, and that is what that is, but are there any US ecig patent holders?
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Thats actually an interesting point. Are there any patents in existence for an ecig product? It seems most of the hardware comes from china, and that is what that is, but are there any US ecig patent holders?
The bottom line will be government regulation.They have to "Save us from ourselves" .Next they will have to "Save the children" so there will be no flavors allowed just straight up tobacco flavor.It will be heavily taxed using the sin tax excuse and a 6 ml bottle will be $8.95.
My Grandfather made Home Brew and Bathtub Gin during Prohibition.He and my uncle ran a speakeasy in my Uncle's basement replete with slot machines.My Mother was a bookie...Looks like I'm going to have to be a little of both.They'll get my Mod when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
My Grandfather made Home Brew and Bathtub Gin during Prohibition.He and my uncle ran a speakeasy in my Uncle's basement replete with slot machines.My Mother was a bookie...Looks like I'm going to have to be a little of both.They'll get my Mod when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
I really hope Provape has one (She says puffing her Provari) He designed the Provari and it's built in the U.S.
It's actually better than smoking.IMHO.
He's a pretty smart guy so really my answer would be yes he has a patent..
It's actually better than smoking.IMHO.
He's a pretty smart guy so really my answer would be yes he has a patent..
This is actually what I expect first, taxation. Even though the anti-smoking sentiment is high, it is undeniable the boost to tax collected revenue it brings. Is e-juice a tobacco product? Yes you could argue that, at least in the ones that contain nicotine since its derived from a tobacco plant (duh, I know
). Where does zero nic juice sit? I don't know but I have a hard time thinking it would be differentiated, it should be though. So what you effectively have with vaping is a reduction of tax dollars, maybe not significant now, but as people switch over to e-cigs it will grow and local governments will notice the reduction in the bottom line. I actually feel any product introduction to the market from a big tobacco company would actually accelerate that process. As it has been mentioned before, the even bigger impact is in the pharma department where smoking cessation is a gazillion dollar industry. I have tried a bunch of the stop smoking aids from chantix, gum, lozenges, etc and the only one that truly worked was the ecig (coming up on 3 months now). Those are universally known to be crap and don't work, while it seems the ecig is an inexpensive (maybe not on this forum ) in comparison alternative. I went really off topic there, sorry.One thing I do see out of a big tobacco product is actually higher prices for vaping disposables. Not counting the taxation part, I would imagine they would like to keep the profit margin of the consumables in the same ballpark as a pack of smokes. We know how cheap vaping CAN be if you can resist the urge to try all the neato toys and latest mods. Like I mentioned before, this 8 puff consumable listed in the patent is exactly that. I need to search for more patents to see if there is any new activity on this front. Oh and I still need to finish reading the above patents in detail.
So to answer my own question above, a quick search on Google Patents yielded quite a few patents for e-cig products. A good bit of them are from China (no surprise there) but quite a few from the states. There is your traditional eGo and stick style, as well as mod tubes and mod boxes. Pretty interesting, at least for the engineer in me.
I tried chantix,Wellbutin patches,gums,cold turkey Ad Naseum...
I received my first e-cig in the mail on Jan. 20th.I had my last analog on the 21st. What else needs to be said? I smoked for over 40 years and in one day.I was over it.
I actually like vaping better. I just love me some Pina Colada.
I received my first e-cig in the mail on Jan. 20th.I had my last analog on the 21st. What else needs to be said? I smoked for over 40 years and in one day.I was over it.
I actually like vaping better. I just love me some Pina Colada.
Zero nic juice is just PG and/or VG and flavor. Kind of hard to regulate that when you can buy the ingredients off the shelf. It would require the drug nicotine to be regulated.
No disagreement there. My only concern would be if its sold in the context of an e-cig product would it fall under alternative regulation. I know, it sounds silly.
One of the first things I said is that they wouldn't be able to control the juice. I also said I didn't expect a cigarette company to make a decent PV. I DIY. I know exactly what's in my juice. Do you? If you consider PM evil, what about a country whose state owned businesses put lead into paint that is used on toys or sell contaminated baby formula? Can they really be trusted to make the juice for the vapors you inhale or the device you use to make them more than PM?
Coca-Cola used to have a drug that this forum edits out and still has caffiene. 7 Up used to have lithium. Many foods comtain extra fat, salt and sugar because people use more of them that way. Does that make the companies that supply them evil? Some people say so. Nothing added to any of these products, including cigarettes, changes the fact that you choose to buy them and you choose to use them.
Where does this stop? At what point is it your responsibility? Can you honestly say that if you'd known about everything added to cigarettes that you'd never have started? Unless you're a lot older than I am, you certainly knew they were addictive and harmful to your health. It's always been your choice. No one did anything to you but, you. The only place we differ is that I know that there's no one else to blame.
Philip Morris would like to get a Patent and shut down as many other manufacturers as they could. Then control what goes in them and put the same crap they have in their death sticks; I'm afraid.
I started when I was 10 years old. Not only did I not know they were bad for my health, I didn't know what health was. Most cig companies do everything they can to get kids smoking as early as they can. Statistics are clear. If a person doesn't smoke before they turn 20 years of age, they probably will never start.
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Well it could be nice to have this stuff at all the stores that sell cigs. Especially in light of all the cc fraud ive been hearing about. Price may be a little inflated but what about shipping. If your in the area and can stop in for a second would that not be better then waiting up to a week for mail, and paying for shipping? May also help bring much needed tech advancement in the industry. I keep my options open on most things cause nothing is ever perfect.
Actually, I expect that if/when somebody big gets involved in this industry, there will be a lot of unjust patent fights. I'm also pretty sure it won't be a cigarette company. I have to carry a spare kit with me because I can't get a replacement just anywhere. Once they are more available, the price will come down. A lot of vendors are currently profiting from the ignorance of the public about these things.
All due respect, this is apples to Volkswagon comparison. Coke USED to put a now illegal drug in, they Stopped doing that LONG ago. BT on the other hand has spent millions and millions of $ to KEEP folks addicted to their products, knowing they kill many thousands each and every year in the US alone.
It is absurd in my view to compare BT adding such items as ammonia to cause nicotine to "freebase" (and thus become MUCH more addictive) to fat and salt as much as BT would Love for us to believe it's even somewhat similar it's just Not.
BT also spends "tons of $" figuring how to get minors to illegally try their products with the sole goal of obtaining life long addicts (Joe Camel was very well thought out and planned - internal documents prove that)the evidence exist to prove this beyond doubt and at least most of us here started at young ages for even more proof. And NO this is not some accident it was by design.
IF ANY Other business was pushing addiction and poisons on this level they'd long ago been prosecuted and forced out of business, yet BT gets a "free ride" and worse some seem to condone such terrible practices and place the blame on consumers who were without doubt tricked into an intentional and terrible addiction. Ozzy Ozborne (who I'd guess would know) said quitting his drug addictions (hard core drugs no less) was MUCH easier than quitting cigarettes . When you see folks still smoking with lung cancer, COPD and a whole host of other serious illnesses, the blame cannot rest entirely on the consumer, especially when BT has been proved beyond doubt to have gone to extremes to insure that very outcome!
Being from KY I have learned long ago, when someone starts using these "comparisons" they are almost always connected to BT in at least some way.
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IF for example McDonald's is ever proved to have added addictive items to a Big Mac, only then will I agree it's even similar (not to pick on any one fast food joint - just chose the biggest of them all) when you intentionally modify products to remove as much free will as possible you DO share the majority of the blame; because it was your plan all along. I can't and will not justify such things, nor do I see any similarity with bad food choices to full blown addiction that was intentionally pushed on the masses without their knowledge at the time- that IS evil by definition. My
It is absurd in my view to compare BT adding such items as ammonia to cause nicotine to "freebase" (and thus become MUCH more addictive) to fat and salt as much as BT would Love for us to believe it's even somewhat similar it's just Not.
BT also spends "tons of $" figuring how to get minors to illegally try their products with the sole goal of obtaining life long addicts (Joe Camel was very well thought out and planned - internal documents prove that)the evidence exist to prove this beyond doubt and at least most of us here started at young ages for even more proof. And NO this is not some accident it was by design.
IF ANY Other business was pushing addiction and poisons on this level they'd long ago been prosecuted and forced out of business, yet BT gets a "free ride" and worse some seem to condone such terrible practices and place the blame on consumers who were without doubt tricked into an intentional and terrible addiction. Ozzy Ozborne (who I'd guess would know) said quitting his drug addictions (hard core drugs no less) was MUCH easier than quitting cigarettes . When you see folks still smoking with lung cancer, COPD and a whole host of other serious illnesses, the blame cannot rest entirely on the consumer, especially when BT has been proved beyond doubt to have gone to extremes to insure that very outcome!
Being from KY I have learned long ago, when someone starts using these "comparisons" they are almost always connected to BT in at least some way.
BTW
IF for example McDonald's is ever proved to have added addictive items to a Big Mac, only then will I agree it's even similar (not to pick on any one fast food joint - just chose the biggest of them all) when you intentionally modify products to remove as much free will as possible you DO share the majority of the blame; because it was your plan all along. I can't and will not justify such things, nor do I see any similarity with bad food choices to full blown addiction that was intentionally pushed on the masses without their knowledge at the time- that IS evil by definition. My
All due respect, this is apples to Volkswagon comparison. Coke USED to put a now illegal drug in, they Stopped doing that LONG ago. BT on the other hand has spent millions and millions of $ to KEEP folks addicted to their products, knowing they kill many thousands each and every year in the US alone.
It is absurd in my view to compare BT adding such items as ammonia to cause nicotine to "freebase" (and thus become MUCH more addictive) to fat and salt as much as BT would Love for us to believe it's even somewhat similar it's just Not.
BT also spends "tons of $" figuring how to get minors to illegally try their products with the sole goal of obtaining life long addicts (Joe Camel was very well thought out and planned - internal documents prove that)the evidence exist to prove this beyond doubt and at least most of us here started at young ages for even more proof. And NO this is not some accident it was by design.
IF ANY Other business was pushing addiction and poisons on this level they'd long ago been prosecuted and forced out of business, yet BT gets a "free ride" and worse some seem to condone such terrible practices and place the blame on consumers who were without doubt tricked into an intentional and terrible addiction. Ozzy Ozborne (who I'd guess would know) said quitting his drug addictions (hard core drugs no less) was MUCH easier than quitting cigarettes . When you see folks still smoking with lung cancer, COPD and a whole host of other serious illnesses, the blame cannot rest entirely on the consumer, especially when BT has been proved beyond doubt to have gone to extremes to insure that very outcome!
Being from KY I have learned long ago, when someone starts using these "comparisons" they are almost always connected to BT in at least some way.
BTW
IF for example McDonald's is ever proved to have added addictive items to a Big Mac, only then will I agree it's even similar (not to pick on any one fast food joint - just chose the biggest of them all) when you intentionally modify products to remove as much free will as possible you DO share the majority of the blame; because it was your plan all along. I can't and will not justify such things, nor do I see any similarity with bad food choices to full blown addiction that was intentionally pushed on the masses without their knowledge at the time- that IS evil by definition. My
+1 Jim Bob! Couldn't agree more!
Well, I did not mean for this to turn into a "big tobacco is bad" thread, I more meant to talk about the patents listed and the possibility of more traditional tobacco companies jumping into the e-cig biz. I am personally of the opinion that I made the choice to keep smoking, no one held a gun to my head. I could only imagine the outrage of the general US smoking population if cigarettes were to be outright banned, even though it seems they meet all the criteria for such a thing to take place. That is my opinion and I respect the other opinions expressed here, we all have our strong feelings about smoking. The good thing is we have all made the choice to put the smokes down and pick up a PV Advancements in PV technology is actually something I am very interested in. I believe all current systems have their strengths and weaknesses and I welcome any technological advancement that would make vaping better.
Advancements in PV technology is actually something I am very interested in. I believe all current systems have their strengths and weaknesses and I welcome any technological advancement that would make vaping better.- Status
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