More harm than good, I am sure of it. IMO of course.
Public knowledge doesn't help when 85% of the public is STUPID !!
Please DO vap where you can't smoke!!!
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More harm than good, I am sure of it. IMO of course.
Public knowledge doesn't help when 85% of the public is STUPID !!
So you're saying that attempting to share our knowledge in a courteous and polite manner with the general public will do more harm than good ... you're sure of it? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
But, again, we can agree to disagree. To each his own, I say.
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I suppose I should have clarified my post a bit more. When I said "to make a statement" I'm more referring to folks vaping in airplanes, restaurants, movie theaters, ect.. I think doing that is to make a statement, because we have not been able to smoke in these places for a long time, so why do we need to now? I'm fine with stealth vaping in public places that I just mentioned, just not overdoing it where people may be bothered by it. I think we indeed need to educate the public absolutely, just in the right ways. I just fear that for every person you convince vaping is harmless and o.k., you'll push twice as many to be anti's.
I'm thinking 8 haters for every one accepter. Its a tough world out there when it looks like were smoking or doing drugs.
Your just not going to educate the proper percentage, not going to happen. The more people see vaping the worse off we are. Very sad, but true.
I know people are going to say ^^^ thats the reason we need to get out an educate. But do any of you live or work in the real world? Do you deal with the general public in quantity on a daily basis ??
You CAN tell people the facts. You CAN'T educate 85% of people. They know what they know and thats it. They might listen to the facts, but they are going to walk away thinking "dam drug users". I've spent my life trying to teach adults, and there is no nice way to put it. The vast majority are NOT THAT BRIGHT, and more importantly NOT WILLING TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW. If you think differently maybe you come from the NOT THAT BRIGHT side of things.
Let me clarify as well, I do vape in public. Only I do it OUTSIDE in public. I have never vaped in a building other than my house. So people have seen me vaping. I have never been approached about it though.
I am sure if i fire up the GLV-2 in the airport I would be approached pretty dam quick.
Why in hell would anyone in there right mind do such a thing?
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You haven't heard my singing....
If you had, you'd probably prefer that I vap in public....
Interesting.
So nobody has bothered you when they see you vaping, outdoors. Same experience that I've had, indoors. Nobody has bothered me. Read through the past 8, 10 pages of this thread... there seems to be a common theme.. which is NOBODY is getting bothered by ANYBODY when they vap, indoors OR outdoors, except for a very occasional person.
"all my public vaping responses if anyone noticed have been positive, like "good for you for quitting" or just yesterday "i just ordered my uncle one of those last week" etc. not 1ce have i gotten so much as a dirty look. That's wholly the reason i don't see any sense in the alarmist attitude"
"I've been vaping in Disneyland all summer all around the park. I also have been approached by cast members while vaping there and once I let them know it's an e-cigarette, they say oh ok go ahead."
"To date I have had only one situation with a security guard on a bus, as he was going off everyone on the bus was asking where they could get one. The guard got reprimanded for missing the meeting that went over how vaping was okay on the bus..."
"I vaped while tailgating and in the stands at a college football game yesterday. People were good-natured and curious about it."
"I agree with this one. vape where you want. I am in the army and even though a lot of us smoke...one on one everyone I have met that asks I explain what it is, and point them to ecf for more information. "
"I live in FL and I haven't had anyone so much as twitch an eyebrow at me yet. i think ppl like big hitter are just scared and trying to hide it... i guess on instinct perhaps? "
"I was in a restaurant one time and the manager came over and said someone was complaining about me smoking and asked me to put it out....A few minutes later the manager and the complainer came to my table and I gave another demonstration. Long story short, her brother has been vaping for two months now and I have a three converts. "
Where are you pulling this stat from? Go back and READ what others say.. most say, "I don't vap in public, but when I DO vap in (public) bathrooms, everyone is nice and asks me about it.
Or... I vap outdoors, and people come up and ask me what that is, wanting more info...
Where is the post from someone saying "I've tried vaping in restaurants, or a movie theater, or somewhere else smoking isn't allowed, and EIGHT PEOPLE came up to me screaming at me...."
I haven't read a post anything like that!
Well, HERE we can agree!
(although, I think it's more like 50/50 people who won't even listen to the other side....)
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I don't think its the people that come up and complain or ask questions that you have to worry about.
Its the hundreds of people that just walk by and think "what a ...."
You have now way of knowing unless you ask everyone that sees you "hey what do you think about this?"
i think if u asked every1 that saw u i think u'd find that most didn't even think u were important enough to notice
and that most of this fear is assumption on u'r part. what u do really isn't that important. and if they saw "smoke" then they'd think u were smoking not vaping unless they asked or confronted. if they knew u were vaping then they probably wouldn't care because they'd already know the difference. u have to consider that as well. bottom line though, u do what u think is best, i'll do what i think is best. because i think we can all agree that we're just not going to agree or come to a consensus on this.
Exactly my point, they would think you are smoking where smoking is NOT allowed.
Thus .... the thinking "what a ...." part.
It all goes back to the long lost art of COMMON COURTESY.
I'll pass on making people think I'm an .... Different strokes for different folks i guess.
Some people are happy just not doing something wrong
Others don't even want people to THINK they are doing something wrong.
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I'm with the vape where you want club. I don't know where this became equivalent with someone who is "in your face" but that is not me or what I am about...I believe I've said that before, but there it is again. I DO ask in bars....but it is my mission to convert all barkeepers into allowing this in their bars.
Anyone else find it slightly amusing that the only ones suggesting that we can agree to disagree and still get along are the ones that are in favor of politely and courteously vaping in public?
Jan
I've converted a lot more smokers by vaping INSIDE a bar than going outside (asking for management approval, of course, as it's the establishment's call.) Vaping is legal indoors in my state - as it is in all states, but not in a couple of municipalities. At the bar, I was approached by smokers and non-smokers alike - in a positive way. Smokers thought it was cool that the ban didn't apply and non-smokers were amazed that they couldn't smell anything.
In Wisconsin, it gets COLD. If I'm outside with the smokers, how would they see vaping as a benefit? Often the promise of convenience trumps potential health benefits. Just seeing me inside with my e-cig, while they are huddling outside, could make smokers who aren't even concerned about health decide to ask about it. Otherwise they think, "They have to go outside, too. What's the point in switching? I like smoking and either way I'd have to go outside." (Remember, most of us enjoyed smoking and never intended to "quit.")
Non-smokers think e-cigs are no better than cigarettes because they haven't been exposed to them. You see it all the time in comments on articles - they don't understand that it doesn't smell bad and dissapates quickly. If they only see us outside with the smokers, they will never, ever see the difference, especially since the smoke overpowers the vapor. Being exposed to vaping is the ONLY way we will ever convince a non-smoker that vaping isn't a threat and the more non-smokers that are ok with it, the better. The public health groups are counting on non-smoker ignorance to support their attempts to ban them. Non-smokers outnumber smokers by 79% after all.
So, the key is to TRY to vape where smoking isn't allowed. Don't assume that you can or can't - always ask first and TRY to get permission. If you have permission, the management and staff will back you up, non-smokers will get an explaination and smokers and non-smokers alike will get educated, rather than just the smokers.
I also suggest trying to use something that doesn't LOOK like a tobacco cigarette - get a box mod or an eGo-type device. They work better anyhow!
Just my 2 cents.
In Wisconsin, it gets COLD. If I'm outside with the smokers, how would they see vaping as a benefit? Often the promise of convenience trumps potential health benefits. Just seeing me inside with my e-cig, while they are huddling outside, could make smokers who aren't even concerned about health decide to ask about it. Otherwise they think, "They have to go outside, too. What's the point in switching? I like smoking and either way I'd have to go outside." (Remember, most of us enjoyed smoking and never intended to "quit.")
Non-smokers think e-cigs are no better than cigarettes because they haven't been exposed to them. You see it all the time in comments on articles - they don't understand that it doesn't smell bad and dissapates quickly. If they only see us outside with the smokers, they will never, ever see the difference, especially since the smoke overpowers the vapor. Being exposed to vaping is the ONLY way we will ever convince a non-smoker that vaping isn't a threat and the more non-smokers that are ok with it, the better. The public health groups are counting on non-smoker ignorance to support their attempts to ban them. Non-smokers outnumber smokers by 79% after all.
So, the key is to TRY to vape where smoking isn't allowed. Don't assume that you can or can't - always ask first and TRY to get permission. If you have permission, the management and staff will back you up, non-smokers will get an explaination and smokers and non-smokers alike will get educated, rather than just the smokers.
I also suggest trying to use something that doesn't LOOK like a tobacco cigarette - get a box mod or an eGo-type device. They work better anyhow!
Just my 2 cents.
+1000 Kristin
Maybe some people are embarrassed about their vaping and how it may look. I think we need T-shirts that clearly state "I'M NOT SMOKING, I'M VAPING!" I thought about printing up some educational cards and handing them out to people that ask what I'm doing. Save me the whole history of PV speech.
Oh, and just for the record Shel, we have many vape friendly bars here in Grand Rapids. I believe there is one that actually sells individual disposables.
Maybe some people are embarrassed about their vaping and how it may look. I think we need T-shirts that clearly state "I'M NOT SMOKING, I'M VAPING!" I thought about printing up some educational cards and handing them out to people that ask what I'm doing. Save me the whole history of PV speech.
Oh, and just for the record Shel, we have many vape friendly bars here in Grand Rapids. I believe there is one that actually sells individual disposables.
Thoughtfull, logical and excellent analysis, kristin!!! Those on here advocating that we stay with the smokers, keep our heads hung low and hope no one notices are doing as much as the extreme anti-tobacco crowd towards getting PV's banned. Common sense, respectful dialogue and showing the uninformed they have nothing to fear is the best course. And using a mod instead of trying to look like it's still an analog is also the best imagine to present to the uninformed.
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Agree with everything you said except for the use of a mod. I would rather have someone think I was being inconsiderate with my analog lookalike than have someone think I was smoking crack. Unless they're color blind, the bright blue LED at the tip will clue them in that it's not a cigarette.
I just don't want anyone to think any of us are smoking. I have 4 different mods and no one has ever thought I was smoking crack. Unlike the one poster in this thread, I believe the majority of people are intelligent enough to figure out that it's not a drug device and not harmful. I have actually had people tell me that they have gotten confused in the past when they saw a white model that looked like an analog. I love to tell those who ask that it is a personal vaporizer approved by my doctor (very true) as a health improvement aid. The less it looks anything like the real thing, the better chance the perception of non-smokers will be positive. They will not think we are still smoking just in an "updated" way.
Okay, so I can see how people can take the OP's comments as him being an arrogant ...(no, I don't think you are at all, I just see how people could take your comments that way), talking about vaping in church and whatnot... But, he makes a very good point. The more we hide this and let ourselves be banished to the smoking section/smoking area/outside/wherever, the more we look like pushovers, and the easier it will be for this to get banned.
And as far as children and parents are concerned... I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but I don't give a damn. I'm not gonna stop smoking because a kid sees me with a cigarette in my mouth, so why should i try to hide my vaping from kids too? I'll never tell a kid it's a good idea or anything like that, but hiding it? Seriously? This attitude REALLY bothers me, and it's rampant everywhere. I'm sick and tired of the "it takes a village" mentality. Why? Because first of all, it doesn't. It takes ONE or TWO people, not a "village." The village didn't screw your wife(or husband, depending on what you are) and cause your child to be born. YOU Take care of the little ........ Don't push your responsibilities on me. It's not my kid. It's not my job to shield the kid from reality, and wtf's the harm in seeing people smoking anyway? WATCH THE NEWS once... Kids watch that plus things that are ten times worse in terms of violence and sex on TV all the time and see it in videogames that the parents buy for the kids. Then they wanna turn around and ..... at the broadcasting company/game maker and demand that such a show/game be unavailable to anybody or that they get paid some sort of fee like it's the broadcasting company/game maker's fault that their kids saw it. If they were real parents in the first place, their kids wouldn't have seen it. If and when I have kids, if I want my kids kept away from something, I"ll do everything in my power to keep them away from it, but I will NOT demand that others change their lives or stop making something that I don't agree with. It doesn't take a village. Take responsibility for your own damn actions and raise your own damn kids...
I've vaped in restaurants with no problems whatsoever. I've vaped in malls with no problems. I've vaped in Wal Mart with no problems, except for one time when an employee told me "you can't smoke in here." Then I explained to her what it was, and she just kinda shrugged and walked away. I've taken my ecigs into gas stations and had very curious clerks ask me about them and even ask me to demonstrate their use. If someone asks me not to vape in their house/store/whatever, I'll gladly abstain from doing it, but I'm sure as hell not gonna hide it. Enough of this politically correct BS. We can't just change the way we live our lives everytime some sensitive douche gets offended. If we do that, pretty soon nobody will be allowed to do anything in public at all because some ........ will be offended. Learn to take life less seriously and stop worrying so much about what other people do unless it directly infringes on your or someone else's rights.
Someone mentioned perfume/cologne earlier... Holy ...., if anything should be illegal, that's it. I'm so sick of walking by some old hag who had to dump a gallon of perfume on herself before she left the house to cover up the reek of formaldehyde. Enough of that .... already. Most perfume and cologne makes my nose itch and burn. It's very annoying and uncomfortable. I can't stand to step foot within 10 feet of a bath & body works store. I'd much rather be surrounded by 10 smokers than be near one girl wearing anything from that store or an old lady covered in perfume.
Oh by the way, something that I thought was kinda funny... I have a friend that works at McDonald's, and I went in there with my girlfriend a week or two ago for breakfast. My friend was working that day, and she saw my e-cig(a 510, copper battery, black atty, drip tip), and she looked at me with really wide confused eyes and asked me what it was. Apparently she thought I brought a blunt into McDonald's, LOL. I guess it does kinda look like a black & mild... I don't always vape in every building/store I go into, but I'm not shy about it, and I don't keep it hidden. I usually carry it around in my hand.
And as far as children and parents are concerned... I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but I don't give a damn. I'm not gonna stop smoking because a kid sees me with a cigarette in my mouth, so why should i try to hide my vaping from kids too? I'll never tell a kid it's a good idea or anything like that, but hiding it? Seriously? This attitude REALLY bothers me, and it's rampant everywhere. I'm sick and tired of the "it takes a village" mentality. Why? Because first of all, it doesn't. It takes ONE or TWO people, not a "village." The village didn't screw your wife(or husband, depending on what you are) and cause your child to be born. YOU Take care of the little ........ Don't push your responsibilities on me. It's not my kid. It's not my job to shield the kid from reality, and wtf's the harm in seeing people smoking anyway? WATCH THE NEWS once... Kids watch that plus things that are ten times worse in terms of violence and sex on TV all the time and see it in videogames that the parents buy for the kids. Then they wanna turn around and ..... at the broadcasting company/game maker and demand that such a show/game be unavailable to anybody or that they get paid some sort of fee like it's the broadcasting company/game maker's fault that their kids saw it. If they were real parents in the first place, their kids wouldn't have seen it. If and when I have kids, if I want my kids kept away from something, I"ll do everything in my power to keep them away from it, but I will NOT demand that others change their lives or stop making something that I don't agree with. It doesn't take a village. Take responsibility for your own damn actions and raise your own damn kids...
I've vaped in restaurants with no problems whatsoever. I've vaped in malls with no problems. I've vaped in Wal Mart with no problems, except for one time when an employee told me "you can't smoke in here." Then I explained to her what it was, and she just kinda shrugged and walked away. I've taken my ecigs into gas stations and had very curious clerks ask me about them and even ask me to demonstrate their use. If someone asks me not to vape in their house/store/whatever, I'll gladly abstain from doing it, but I'm sure as hell not gonna hide it. Enough of this politically correct BS. We can't just change the way we live our lives everytime some sensitive douche gets offended. If we do that, pretty soon nobody will be allowed to do anything in public at all because some ........ will be offended. Learn to take life less seriously and stop worrying so much about what other people do unless it directly infringes on your or someone else's rights.
Someone mentioned perfume/cologne earlier... Holy ...., if anything should be illegal, that's it. I'm so sick of walking by some old hag who had to dump a gallon of perfume on herself before she left the house to cover up the reek of formaldehyde. Enough of that .... already. Most perfume and cologne makes my nose itch and burn. It's very annoying and uncomfortable. I can't stand to step foot within 10 feet of a bath & body works store. I'd much rather be surrounded by 10 smokers than be near one girl wearing anything from that store or an old lady covered in perfume.
Oh by the way, something that I thought was kinda funny... I have a friend that works at McDonald's, and I went in there with my girlfriend a week or two ago for breakfast. My friend was working that day, and she saw my e-cig(a 510, copper battery, black atty, drip tip), and she looked at me with really wide confused eyes and asked me what it was. Apparently she thought I brought a blunt into McDonald's, LOL. I guess it does kinda look like a black & mild... I don't always vape in every building/store I go into, but I'm not shy about it, and I don't keep it hidden. I usually carry it around in my hand.
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LOL, you'd THINK so, but you'd be surprised. Never underestimate the power of stupidity, especially in large groups...
Totally agree. Reminds me of a time a very close friend of mine called. Her child had just started walking, and she tells me, "So it's time for you to baby-proof your house so I can bring him over." And she was serious!! "Uhhhh, NO," I told her. "It's time for you to house-proof your kid!"
My home is certainly not the only unsafe environment the children of the world are going to be exposed to, so if I were to totally rearrange my life to obliterate every imaginable hazard, what's that gonna teach a child? Same goes for my vaping in public.
I feel the same way about perceived "dangerous" or "unacceptable" behaviors. Like it or not, at some point children will be exposed to them in one way or another. Such is life. You, as a parent, just use those unexpected exposures as a good opportunity to talk to your child about the realities of the world and try to impress upon them your outlook when it comes to such behavior.
All of us are examples to children; some of us just serve as the bad examples.
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