Pre-vet workshop thread
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oh- list location..i thought you meant welcome thread location.....
figuring out the list location is a high priority. that's in part why i want to get the draft to j0ker for him to cogitate on, so that we can start to deal with the list.
Hi and By Katya!
I withdraw the hour suggestion- forgot that people would have to be there.
why does the crew have to wait after the turning- if the vet is on the thread within 15 minutes of the turn time we see the title change, they are, by the forum's definition there at the turning. though courtesy would suggest that someone comes back and says thanks (which the vast majority do) making it a requirement is not only something else to enforce, but kind of petty on our part (just like they're not obligated to post in the welcome thread- they have to find it an move it, and that vast majority appreciate it and say thanks)
Let's set this up for those who genuinely enjoy the party, and not make it difficult for them and everyone else by trying to prevent a minority of people who might post once and run.
Oh..i get it- you believed tibs and not me
(kidding)
ooohhh! excellent point, if the title changes and they were with us beforehand that should be all it takes!
Summary so far
The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned ECF veteran and will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as we know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.
That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone turning in the current month, or whatever you define" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.
So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.
There are others who open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (We think.) OK. jj2 may accept those (with whatever conditions if any). We're not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.
However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.
Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (we think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled without penalty.
We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. A new end-of-year bonus drawing is added as an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. The Avatar Party scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).
We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.
how we think it works now....
1. welcome thread - (entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests.) All that is needed to get a welcome thread is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets (365 days after their join date/time to the minute, at the next 25 minutes past the hour...since that's when the checking process runs), times for our published list are provided by a moderator due to the pre-vet's request for participation, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the yearend grand prize drawing.This is not the only way they could enter, depending on what the contest people decide to do (out of our scope). Eligible threads are started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request should come through the PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in the PVT either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and thus cannot be self-started since they don't have access to that sub-forum until they become an ECF veteran.
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance in the PVT thread and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled with the PVT crew from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
Attendance at the avatar party is defined as: posting in the Pre-veteran Thread within 10 minutes of the scheduled turning time. This is the mutually agreed upon time between the pre-vet and the PTV crew and assumes that the pre-vet's status has not changed to ECF Veteran earlier. Errors in determining this timing (by admins, moderators or the PVT crew) can happen and will be handled on a case by case basis.
The pre-vet can reschedule the turning to a later date/time than the earliest possible time per the forum's algorithm. However, this requires cooperation of the pre-veteran and he/she is now now informed that logging in at the wrong time could turn them to ECF Veteran status earlier than the re-scheduled time and may disqualify them from the bonus drawing.
Also note that the welcome thread is marked ++ if they attended the avatar party. However, disqualification from the monthly drawings disqualifies pre-vets for the Bonus Drawing also.
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are now eligible for the GP drawing, however only those marked ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing.
(NOTE: if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).
Blue = my changes this THIS version (Blue from previous version incorporated).
The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned ECF veteran and will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as we know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.
That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone turning in the current month, or whatever you define" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.
So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.
There are others who open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (We think.) OK. jj2 may accept those (with whatever conditions if any). We're not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.
However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.
Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (we think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled without penalty.
We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. A new end-of-year bonus drawing is added as an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. The Avatar Party scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).
We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.
how we think it works now....
1. welcome thread - (entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests.) All that is needed to get a welcome thread is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets (365 days after their join date/time to the minute, at the next 25 minutes past the hour...since that's when the checking process runs), times for our published list are provided by a moderator due to the pre-vet's request for participation, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the yearend grand prize drawing.This is not the only way they could enter, depending on what the contest people decide to do (out of our scope). Eligible threads are started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request should come through the PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in the PVT either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and thus cannot be self-started since they don't have access to that sub-forum until they become an ECF veteran.
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance in the PVT thread and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled with the PVT crew from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
Attendance at the avatar party is defined as: posting in the Pre-veteran Thread within 10 minutes of the scheduled turning time. This is the mutually agreed upon time between the pre-vet and the PTV crew and assumes that the pre-vet's status has not changed to ECF Veteran earlier. Errors in determining this timing (by admins, moderators or the PVT crew) can happen and will be handled on a case by case basis.
The pre-vet can reschedule the turning to a later date/time than the earliest possible time per the forum's algorithm. However, this requires cooperation of the pre-veteran and he/she is now now informed that logging in at the wrong time could turn them to ECF Veteran status earlier than the re-scheduled time and may disqualify them from the bonus drawing.
Also note that the welcome thread is marked ++ if they attended the avatar party. However, disqualification from the monthly drawings disqualifies pre-vets for the Bonus Drawing also.
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are now eligible for the GP drawing, however only those marked ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing.
(NOTE: if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).
Blue = my changes this THIS version (Blue from previous version incorporated).
Note that wording allows them to be late for the turning........
I also settled on 10 minutes just to have something to put in. I'm still open, but CES withdrew the hour request and Tibby didn't seem to mind the 10 minutes.
EDIT: And this posted while I was typing:
If you don't mind waiting around for an hour before and after (or is that 1/2 hour before and after) if they don't show at 4:00 a.m. Eastern Standard Time....I don't mind
I also settled on 10 minutes just to have something to put in. I'm still open, but CES withdrew the hour request and Tibby didn't seem to mind the 10 minutes.
EDIT: And this posted while I was typing:
Oh, the 5 minutes is brutal. Let's give them at least an hour, please.
Sometimes the forum burps, replies don't post, things freeze... Please, pretty.
Laterz.
If you don't mind waiting around for an hour before and after (or is that 1/2 hour before and after) if they don't show at 4:00 a.m. Eastern Standard Time....I don't mind
Atty I like it. i think you've got it.
now for that last question about when to be on the thread....An hour makes it hard to track if the PVT thread is moving as fast as it sometimes does. I can live with 10 minutes, but 15-30 min is better, and consistent with what we ask them to do now Usually ,once someone is there for the countdown they get excited and stay.
now for that last question about when to be on the thread....An hour makes it hard to track if the PVT thread is moving as fast as it sometimes does. I can live with 10 minutes, but 15-30 min is better, and consistent with what we ask them to do now
Usually ,once someone is there for the countdown they get excited and stay.
yes, that's correct- but afaik they don't get a ++ if they don't have an eligible welcome thread.
I was wondering what happens if it turns out someone is disqualified for some reason (IDK what) but attended an avatar party. What then? Do we allow an entry into the Bonus when they are disqualified for the monthly/G.P.? If so, how is the ++ thread marking interpreted? See?
Oh, the 5 minutes is brutal. Let's give them at least an hour, please.
Sometimes the forum burps, replies don't post, things freeze... Please, pretty.
Laterz.
5 minutes before turning is brutal? that's the most leeway we could give
and since we see the title appear, no post afterwards is required ..... if they turn vet before our eyes they were online
wagging fingers at atty! it's never happened except for our poor prevet who got moved on right around turning ..... so let's not anticipate too much
let's deal with it when it/if happens....but if they aren't qualified for the montly, they can't post their link in the contest thread, so can't be eligible for the bonus
Oh, BTW, i still favor only a pre-turn time requirement, not a post turn, so any post within 10-15-30-60 minutes PRIOR to turning, but no requirement for after.
lol. I just realized that they have to show up BEFORE the scheduled time. If they show up after, and weren't logged in, they won't turn for another hour (at the next :25 after).
OR
Do we go with Kat's Hour... AFTER turning. So then it becomes, show up within 15 minutes BEFORE turning, or withing an HOUR after the scheduled time (and be logged in so their status changes).
You'd have to wait up to confirm it.....egads! You guys sure you don't want to lose the whole attendance requirement?
OR
Do we go with Kat's Hour... AFTER turning. So then it becomes, show up within 15 minutes BEFORE turning, or withing an HOUR after the scheduled time (and be logged in so their status changes).
You'd have to wait up to confirm it.....egads! You guys sure you don't want to lose the whole attendance requirement?
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let's be careful there - they could say ''hi'' and go hang out in another thread. since they are online they will turn before our eyes - i want it the least restrictive but still .....
let's say we expect them for the countdown - we start that in earnest 10 minutes before - and post some during the countdown
IDK what happens if they are "moved on" after they qualify......
If it's before, I suppose they don't qualify since they never turned vet. But after....
atty - we need the attendance during and at the turning - if they are with us then it's a given
Tibby.......................
My point is ... if they show up a X:26, what happens?
Does "not allowed in the forum anymore" disqualify their past entry? Hmmmm?they are not allowed in the forum anymore
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not an hour after turning!!! argh. you're right, they have to show up before turning. and 15-30 min before gives them time to play.
Can we say that they have to post WITHIN the 30 minutes prior to turning. if it's within 30 min, they can still show up 5 before and be fine. that way they could be there as far as a half hour in advance, but there's flexibility if they can't get there before the last minute.
(if we want a bonus drawing for avatar parties we have to be able to measure attendance)
Can we say that they have to post WITHIN the 30 minutes prior to turning. if it's within 30 min, they can still show up 5 before and be fine. that way they could be there as far as a half hour in advance, but there's flexibility if they can't get there before the last minute.
(if we want a bonus drawing for avatar parties we have to be able to measure attendance)
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