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OH! LOL I know that, but Atty and Fran and JJ were all talking about the way it was worded before........ the opening threads and you, I think said it could be dangerous to go back on that now. Just wondering exactly how it was worded before.
Agreed that we need to look at that. That's basically what I was saying above.
Sure, it takes care of it going forward. The question is .... are we breaking any promises, and if so, does it effect anyone that may have skipped the PVT but has a welcome thread? In other words, it's not a question of if I like #1 or #2, it's a question of "What is the impact?".
lol, atty - i gotta get some work done!
i doubt jj kept a copy of the previous wording and to my knowledge no vet has started a welcome thread bypassing us so far.
we had a few vets who opened their own threads after the fact ....
i doubt jj kept a copy of the previous wording and to my knowledge no vet has started a welcome thread bypassing us so far.
we had a few vets who opened their own threads after the fact ....
Isn't opening their own threads the same as bypassing us? Confused.
yup - plus it breaks the rule of opening the thread BEFORE turning ........ so all those were disqualified and, according to the rules, rightly so
sorry, to clarify - no vet has opened a thread for an incoming vet and bypassed us
sorry, to clarify - no vet has opened a thread for an incoming vet and bypassed us
yup - that's to the best of my recollection. jj might have further input
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Good morning, Committee! And congratulations!Things are looking up!
All good points. Really! And valid.
We will not agree on everything right off the bat, so let's not rush to change anything untill we've thought everything through and reached a consensus, which will take probably a couple of days. Let's do it right this time.
I have a few comments. I do agree with CES--let's keep it as simple as possible--we don't need to bribe anyone to come play with us. We're too awesome for that.
But we have to have rules in order to avoid total chaos.
1) It's OK for any vet to open any prevet's welcome thread, but it has to be in the New Vets welcoming section of the VIP--we don't want to look all over the place for those threads.
2) The prevet or the prevet's sponsoring vet have to introduce themselves in the PVT--briefly, if they are shy. Nobody needs to write an essay, but everyone is required to say" hi my name is so and so and I'm going to be a vet soon." We can take it from there. This way we will know that the person is eligible for the contest. This will also provide us an opportunity to chat them up and offer an avatar party, with or without a theme, at the time of their turning or at a time of their choosing.
I feel very strongly about 1 and 2.
The issue still to be decided is, if I understand it correctly, the eligibility for the mini contests and the grand contest. I'm for allowing everybody who completed 1 and 2 to be eligible for all contests, but I'm willing to go with the majority ruling. So if there is a vote, or something, in case we can't agree by acclamation, my vote goes to "let them all in if they completed 1 and 2 and have their thread opened."
Whew!
I will absolutely go with Kats post here, she summed it up pretty darn good & kept it simple.
If we can all agree on this. then we're halfway there. The rest is easy.
I'm not here....
From a contest perspective I agree with a few other posts. You really can't have it both ways. Either someone has to show up at such and such a time for a welcoming party, and PVT welcoming people need to be there, or not. Coming up with lists of exclusions is at best problematic (overly complex), and you are unlikely to come up with a reasonably comprehensive set, agreed upon, in a decent amount of time (before the heat death of the universe
As a social group, PVT is indeed flexible. When a contest function is added, however, you need to have clear rules that are consistently applied. Anything saying that a PV must be somewhere because welcoming committee will be there instantly tosses you back into what appeared to be a problem (members messing themselves up over having to be at welcoming parties, PV having their own real-world commitments too).
Requiring an entry, a welcoming thread, and the PV then posting in the thread after crossing over = simple. Anything forcing the attendance at parties really should probably be an extra, a nice-to-but-not-forced-to. I doubt anyone really wants to cause heartburn to either the PV or welcoming people -- that's the opposite of fun.
(I'm not an active member here, but active in ECF overall, I care about anything that helps ECF be a better place for members. PVT is a good thing, and the contest is a good thing, just need to have them play nice together, something workable that doesn't end up causing more angst.)
Winner!!!! Mark's a maniac
Hey mark theres another Committee opening
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lol - i'll never get anything done today .....
would everybody please reflect their minds back to why ''attendance'' required was added .......
as to welcome threads ...... we had once agreed that a post from the new vet would be nice but not required
would everybody please reflect their minds back to why ''attendance'' required was added .......
as to welcome threads ...... we had once agreed that a post from the new vet would be nice but not required
Anyone who opened their own thread, has not been allowed to enter the contest.
What has been allowed is a Vet outside of PreVet has opened the thread. I think, and if I'm wrong sorry, one of the first was for Kayta...if not it was Pokey or Salem.
There was never a rule saying this could not be done.
I like Mark's idea. A vet opens the thread (any Vet), the member post in it and enters the URL in the contest. This separates the Contest from PreVet (which many have wanted), gets me out being the contest protector, and it's a simple as it can be.
Any Vet should be able to open a Welcome thread but it needs to go thru PVT and have the list maintained so we know who is turning and who is opening the Welcome Thread.
If we can all agree on this. then we're halfway there. The rest is easy.
I'm not here....
I don't know what some of his terms mean, but I think I like the idea because it is basically another way of saying your #1 and #2. Crossing-over was a John Edward show, eh?
I think he means "turning". lol. Same diff.So, we're saying that:
1) The pre-veteran introduces themselves in the PVT thread, or has a veteran sponsor do it for them. Either that sponsor, or we, create a welcome thread in the New Veterans Welcome Forum. This is before they "turn" and they must "turn" this year...2012.
2) After they become a veteran, they must still post a link to their welcome thread in the contest entry thread.
3) We can chat them up as to themes, avatar parties, etc. but they are not conditions of any contest eligibility. <-- Check me on this. Need input here.
This avoids confusion and time constraints. It also allows them to skip participation in PVT celebrations... or in other words, doesn't do anything to encourage participation.
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we've only wanted to separate ourselves from the contest because we strongly objected to some of the rules. as joker stated, for this year the contest is tied to prevets and will stay that way.
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