Pre-vet workshop thread

[Katya]

so you want them to be able to show up anytime? even though our requirement is prior?

Sorry if I'm not explaining this clearly--all prevets (who obviously can't self-start) have to have a thread started prior to turning after their introduction in PVT. Those who have already turned vet (in 2012) and missed their chance for "prior" thread opening by a vet, will be allowed to self-start a thread (or have somebody start it for them) in the NM forum after they come to PVT and tell us that they want to participate. Example: Wyojoe.

 

[Katya]

then why bother with ''prior'' if a vet can come in august and tell us he turned in january but missed the boat?
i'm just taken by surprise because that has not come up before and i want to make sure i got it right ..

Example: Wyojoe!

J0ker wants us to be all inclusive and I agree with him. We only invite a few people--those we know or happen to notice. The person who doesn't get a PM from us is at a disadvantage compared to those who do! I want to allow all the 2012 vets to participate also--if they come to us and ask to be included.

I'll fetch you that quote from J0ker in a sec.

 

[Katya]

My suggestion is to make it as less stringent as possible. For instance, the welcome thread should not be so closely tied to the turning time. Make it very flexible, I would even go as far as to say as long as their welcome is conducted within the month of their turning. This way we don't really have to work so hard at determining time, which requires staff member resources. As regular members you will be able to see the member's turning month and would make it extremely simplified. IMO.

There. I would allow any 2012 vets who discover on their own (NOT those who had been invited and ignored the invitation) that they have become veterans to get a thread and qualify for contests.

But that's just me... Maybe it's too generous. But I always feel guilty that we can't invite everybody..

 

[tiburonfirst]

ok, i get the point now - it's just such a large deviation from what's in effect now and the first time it was mentioned.
now, let me ask you one thing - if they didn't see pvt in the general forum what makes you think they will find us to ask?

edit joker puts a month limitation on his suggestion and i still don't see the self-start - if we include latecomers why wouldn't we do a thread for them? even though they probably will show for the contest only and are sorry they missed that.

 

[tiburonfirst]

i know that's what you wanted all along, lol - but we are pretty visible ...... and since jan the contest has paved the way some ...

 

[tiburonfirst]

Example: Wyojoe!

J0ker wants us to be all inclusive and I agree with him. We only invite a few people--those we know or happen to notice. The person who doesn't get a PM from us is at a disadvantage compared to those who do! I want to allow all the 2012 vets to participate also--if they come to us and ask to be included.

I'll fetch you that quote from J0ker in a sec.

not really - within a month's time

 

[tiburonfirst]

tweety - i know you have seen tom's spread sheet - hundreds if not thousands of members turning every month

i think joker's mini contest were a great idea ....

 

[tiburonfirst]

now where did tweety go?????

 

[AttyPops]

There's another thing I keep bringing up. It's not a deal breaker in my opinion. But I mention it because people have discussed various options that include the concept of "turns vet in 2012".

My question is: How do you know?

I'll use me as a (fake) example. Take my account.
<--- look at the post count. The profile page says.
Join Date: 07-08-2010

Now I make an entry into the contest for this year (Yes, I'm a vet already).
I can't? Why not? I tuned vet this year. Reeeeeeeeaaaaalllllllly I did. Suuuuuure! What happened was:
I had 10,000 posts in July 2010 -> May 2011 (I talk a lot). Then I was called away to take care of my sick brother in Alaska and he had no internet connection. I just got back yesterday. (Ohhhh.... it was such a tragic story... but I'll save you the trouble). I logged in today a while ago for the 1st time in ages and found out I could enter the contest. Cool. Thank you all for allowing me to celebrate my "new" vet-hood! You all are soooo nice. I just turned vet just an hour ago, and made my own welcome thread and contest entry. Cool! Thanks.

Basically, if they have already turned AND they are one of the ones that have a join date prior to Jan 1, 2011... how do you know? Maybe you need to qualify it with a join date range. But then the complaints could fly too.

Just an FYI.

 

[Katya]

I'm thinking...

Whatever. I'll go with the flow. I just feel that if someone, like Wyojoe, finds us and posts a thread in the VIP forum saying: "Hey, i just noticed I'm a vet..", it would be nice if could maybe somehow include that person...

What do you think about my lavender entry?

 

[Katya]

There's another thing I keep bringing up. It's not a deal breaker in my opinion. But I mention it because people have discussed various options that include the concept of "turns vet in 2012".

My question is: How do you know?

I'll use me as a (fake) example. Take my account.
<--- look at the post count. The profile page says.
Join Date: 07-08-2010

Now I make an entry into the contest for this year (Yes, I'm a vet already).
I can't? Why not? I tuned vet this year. Reeeeeeeeaaaaalllllllly I did. Suuuuuure! What happened was:
I had 10,000 posts in July 2010 -> May 2011 (I talk a lot). Then I was called away to take care of my sick brother in Alaska and he had no internet connection. I just got back yesterday. (Ohhhh.... it was such a tragic story... but I'll save you the trouble). I logged in today a while ago for the 1st time in ages and found out I could enter the contest. Cool. Thank you all for allowing me to celebrate my "new" vet-hood! You all are soooo nice. I just turned vet just an hour ago, and made my own welcome thread and contest entry. Cool! Thanks.

Basically, if they have already turned AND they are one of the ones that have a join date prior to Jan 1, 2011... how do you know? Maybe you need to qualify it with a join date range. But then the complaints could fly too.

Just an FYI.

No, we'd go strictly by the join DATE, not by anything else. That's easy, Atty! We had people show up like that and had celebrations for them, but they don't qualify--join date only.

 

[AttyPops]

OK Kat. But we have to say it that way. What we keep saying is "Turn vet in 2012"... not necessarily the same thing. Also, we have celebrated with people that had low post counts and join dates outside of that rage. They turned when their post count got in range. Do they (did they?) qualify?

 

[Katya]

OK Kat. But we have to say it that way. What we keep saying is "Turn vet in 2012"... not necessarily the same thing. Also, we have celebrated with people that had low post counts and join dates outside of that rage. They turned when their post count got in range. Do they (did they?) qualify?

I say yes--see J0ker's comment. If they qualify (by join DATE), they can work on their their post count--we've done that before and it's usually fun!

 

[tiburonfirst]

OK Kat. But we have to say it that way. What we keep saying is "Turn vet in 2012"... not necessarily the same thing. Also, we have celebrated with people that had low post counts and join dates outside of that rage. They turned when their post count got in range. Do they (did they?) qualify?

they did, atty

there is definitely quite a bit of unfairness but all i'm looking for is to get through 2012 in about the same way we started without what i call our breaking point ''the exact turning time'' that's all i would change, well almost all
2013 can get off to a fresh start with our blessings ......

 

[tiburonfirst]

I'm thinking...

Whatever. I'll go with the flow. I just feel that if someone, like Wyojoe, finds us and posts a thread in the VIP forum saying: "Hey, i just noticed I'm a vet..", it would be nice if could maybe somehow include that person...

What do you think about my lavender entry?

now you know i love it!

 

[tiburonfirst]

frannie, i'll post the form next - just look at the different options and mark what you like best

 

[tiburonfirst]

Originally Posted by CES Whiskey's
Ok...shred away....


how it works now....

yes1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

No2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time that they joined, any deviations from the original timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.

Options for what we want

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. Eligible threads will be in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT
a. choose between 'prior to' turning or 'within 24 hours of' turning
b. choose can or cannot be self-started

2. Options for Avatar parties:

A. Not required for entry into prize drawing

BB. Required for entry into prize drawing, time can be scheduled without penalty
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems

XC. Anybody with either a welcome thread or avi party who is present at the fireworks is eligible for the grand prize drawing
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems


Please make changes in and re-post the whole thing as you make edits.....



I've saved this wording, but please mark the location of this post....I've also read back through what got posted as i typed this up...agreed, no formal "poll". I still like the least restrictive option- because I'm lazy, though Tibs could well be right. Good points Catt. Atty I you too)
.............
Heres a clean form to copy

 

[FranC]

No1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

No2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time that they joined, any deviations from the original timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.

Options for what we want

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. Eligible threads will be in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT
a. choose between 'prior to' turning or 'within 24 hours of' turning
b. choose can or Cannot be self started

2. Options for Avatar parties:

​A. Not required for entry into prize drawing

BB. Required for entry into prize drawing, time can be scheduled without penalty
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems

XC. Anybody with either a welcome thread or avi party who is present at the fireworks is eligible for the grand prize drawing
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning

b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems

 

[tiburonfirst]

frannie - go down the line - under ''what we want'' and choose!

 

[Katya]

they did, atty

there is definitely quite a bit of unfairness but all i'm looking for is to get through 2012 in about the same way we started without what i call our breaking point ''the exact turning time'' that's all i would change, well almost all
2013 can get off to a fresh start with our blessings ......

YES. 1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. Eligible threads will be in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT

a. choose between 'prior to' turning or 'within 24 hours of' turning
b. choose can or cannot be self-started

2. Options for Avatar parties:

YES A. Not required for entry into prize drawing

NO XC. Anybody with either a welcome thread or avi party who is present at the fireworks is eligible for the grand prize drawing

a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning

NO b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems

I could vote YES for the lavender option (XC) under those conditions:

We can offer two end-of-year grand drawings; one grand drawing for everybody who has a welcome thread (#1) and another end-of-year grand drawing for the avatar party participants. However, since we're adding an extra drawing for them, with one prize, they have to be present at the turning--at the time set by the forum software or pre-arranged--NO EXCEPTIONS (well, unless ECF is down, of course). They have to be there when they actually turn. Period. If they are not present to witness the turning, they don't qualify. They don't need to a have a theme, they don't need to have an avatar party, if they don't want too much fuss, but they have to be present when they turn. I don't feel bad about it because that would be a bonus end-of-year drawing and they have an option to choose their own time. If they can't show up on time, too bad. I don't care if they're having a baby or are stuck in traffic. Pick your time and show up or you don't qualify.

KISS.

[YES--maybe--would be nice. Latecomers will be considered for the welcome thread and contest eligibility if they report to PVT within a certain time frame--J0ker suggested 1 month. Everyone who joined in 2011 is eligible for the monthly contests? I'm really not quite sure about the rules and the difference between the minis and the monthlies--but I would like to offer something for every 2012 vet and a bit more for the 2012 vet who particiates in PVT in some form. You figure it out--I'm too confused ATM.]