Preparing for the Vapocalypse

[tehmidcap]

With a nearly full scale banishment on electronic devices being a real possibility, I'm looking into stocking up to sustain myself for at least a while. I have a few questions and I'm sure others so as well and thought a thread on the subject could prove useful.

First, nicotine. What is the better, longest lasting base to get with nicotine VG or PG ? And I assume freezing is the optimal preservation method?

Secondly, equipment. Obviously full mechanical mods are the best bet for long term, heavy duty use... But what is the best material between stainless steel, copper, brass, etc (for a combination of longevity and low maintenance)? What is the best material for the contacts?

What about regulated mods? I would love to own a parallel 18650 mod that could stand the test of time. Are there any that have a very simple design on the inside that could be easily fixed (wires coming loose or chip needing replaced etc)?

Then, finally, atomizers. Is the best course of action just to find your favorite and buy a high quantity or are there RTAs and RBAs out there that are built to last and are constructed with quality materials that could last years with good care?

Thanks for anyone's advice/experience in advanced, and feel free to use this thread to ask related questions yourself.

 

[VapieDan]

PG stores much better than VG. I use a pg base and freeze when possible. It seems to me light, elimination of air, and no extreme of heat. Room temperature is good. How long does it last. Big controversy. It appears 2-3 years but then what? How does it deteriorate is the big question. If it is a drop in just nicotine level the life could go many many years and remain usable. Let's say you vape 10mg nic. (Easy Number). If you store 100mg nic it could take many years to reach that level of 90% drop. What may be required is a nic test kit to check it before each use. We may all have to find out a few years from now. The other possibility is the powers to be may only deal with a finished product and the ingredients will remain available.

The regulated devices may be the ones in danger. I have been seeing mechanical mods from china in boxes marked "Battery Box". Place a 510 flashlight head on it and you have an everyday item. A little harder to do so with regulated devices but some now have a setting for charging at the 510 connector so they could also try this. Whether it will fly or not depends on the vape police. (Vapestopo?)


The atomizer is a tough one. I can think of no other use for them other than vaping. Here is a funny thought. Since dry herb devices are pretty much the same with a head change we may be purchasing tanks at head shops and converting them to liquid. Would that not be a role reversal!


The saddest part of all this is a smoker will not go to all these extremes and just stay on cigarettes. That is what they want in the long run for taxes and the influx of money from the tobacco settlement.

 

[SissySpike]

Im not to worried I go to the Philippines and or my wife dose several times a year. I have equipment to last 3 life times I can buy DIY juice supplies and smuggle it in a checked bag in shampoo bottles or something pretty easily.

 

[VapieDan]

Im not to worried I go to the Philippines and or my wife dose several times a year. I have equipment to last 3 life times I can buy DIY juice supplies and smuggle it in a checked bag in shampoo bottles or something pretty easily.

It may just be a case of getting everything from China or elsewhere where legal. Smuggling is fun until you get caught! Nicotine sniffing dogs?

 

[EJAB]

Im not to worried I go to the Philippines and or my wife dose several times a year. I have equipment to last 3 life times I can buy DIY juice supplies and smuggle it in a checked bag in shampoo bottles or something pretty easily.

I'm part Filipino and I'd NEVER use Eliquid from the Philippines

 

[SissySpike]

It may just be a case of getting everything from China or elsewhere where legal. Smuggling is fun until you get caught! Nicotine sniffing dogs?

Eliquid supplies will be on the bottom of the TSA DOHS list with out the flavorings it will be pretty much impossible to tell the difference between VG PG or nic suspended in the same in a shampoo bottle If caught I think the penalty would be getting your stuff dumped.
There is a big difference between smuggling a few quarts of something for personal use VS Gallons for black market sales I dont foresee a mass rash of ejuice smugglers breaking out so Im pretty confident it will be pretty easy to fly under the radar.

I'm part Filipino and I'd NEVER use Eliquid from the Philippines

If its not available here........ besides if its in sealed bottles when you buy the chemicals I dont see an issue.

 

[tj99959]

With a nearly full scale banishment on electronic devices being a real possibility, I'm looking into stocking up to sustain myself for at least a while. I have a few questions and I'm sure others so as well and thought a thread on the subject could prove useful.

First, nicotine. What is the better, longest lasting base to get with nicotine VG or PG ? And I assume freezing is the optimal preservation method?

Secondly, equipment. Obviously full mechanical mods are the best bet for long term, heavy duty use... But what is the best material between stainless steel, copper, brass, etc (for a combination of longevity and low maintenance)? What is the best material for the contacts?

What about regulated mods? I would love to own a parallel 18650 mod that could stand the test of time. Are there any that have a very simple design on the inside that could be easily fixed (wires coming loose or chip needing replaced etc)?

Then, finally, atomizers. Is the best course of action just to find your favorite and buy a high quantity or are there RTAs and RBAs out there that are built to last and are constructed with quality materials that could last years with good care?

Thanks for anyone's advice/experience in advanced, and feel free to use this thread to ask related questions yourself.

This would indicate to me a poor grasp of the situation IF a "Vapocalypse" occurs. If this should happen, our goal becomes finding ways to sustain vaping, and not returning to smoking.

You should be looking for the most efficient ways to vape, not the least efficient. So think about finding ways that use the least e-liquid, and make a battery charge last the longest.

High wattage/amperage vaping would become unsustainable.

 

[tehmidcap]

Parallel does last longer and is 3.7 volts with batteries alone, I think you're confusing parallel with series. I'm not a super subber now and wouldn't be then. I love my IStick because one charge lasts three days (it has parallel batteries) -- I'd like a mechanical version or semi-mechanical that I could learn to fix. Please inform me how this indicates I don't have a grasp on the situation.

Parallel is also better for the longevity of the batteries even compared to just a single because they share the workload and take on less stress (and thus run cooler and safer).

And in any case 18650 devices will be the best bet regardless because the batteries are used in various applications.

 

[VapieDan]

Eliquid supplies will be on the bottom of the TSA DOHS list with out the flavorings it will be pretty much impossible to tell the difference between VG PG or nic suspended in the same in a shampoo bottle If caught I think the penalty would be getting your stuff dumped.
There is a big difference between smuggling a few quarts of something for personal use VS Gallons for black market sales I dont foresee a mass rash of ejuice smugglers breaking out so Im pretty confident it will be pretty easy to fly under the radar.



If its not available here........ besides if its in sealed bottles when you buy the chemicals I dont see an issue.

Loose(rolling) tobacco and pipe tobacco were on the bottom of the list until this proposal. $48 pound tax with the proposed deeming regulations. They will catch it next time if not this round.

 

[VapieDan]

Parallel does last longer and is 3.7 volts with batteries alone, I think you're confusing parallel with series. I'm not a super subber now and wouldn't be then. I love my IStick because one charge lasts three days (it has parallel batteries) -- I'd like a mechanical version or semi-mechanical that I could learn to fix. Please inform me how this indicates I don't have a grasp on the situation.

Parallel is also better for the longevity of the batteries even compared to just a single because they share the workload and take on less stress (and thus run cooler and safer).

And in any case 18650 devices will be the best bet regardless because the batteries are used in various applications.

Batteries are used in flashlight and other applications so there is no problem. However it is the vaping industry driving battery development in the area of higher amps. That could end.

 

[Ryedan]

Batteries are used in flashlight and other applications so there is no problem. However it is the vaping industry driving battery development in the area of higher amps. That could end.

I have never read anything that indicates to me the vaping industry is driving any battery development. If you have some information on this I would be very interested in it.

 

[twgbonehead]

Loose(rolling) tobacco and pipe tobacco were on the bottom of the list until this proposal. $48 pound tax with the proposed deeming regulations. They will catch it next time if not this round.

I think you're confusing TSA with Customs. TSA should only be able to take stuff from you if it's a hazard.

 

[twgbonehead]

I have never read anything that indicates to me the vaping industry is driving any battery development. If you have some information on this I would be very interested in it.

Laptops and cellphones are driving the chemistry.

Electric vehicles are driving the form-factor (18650 and 26650) (well, and the chemistry).

Flashlights, RC vehicles, and e-cigs are just happy bystanders.

 

[Grimwald]

I had 3 goals, all of which I feel I've met.

1. Nic. I have 10 years of 100% PG in the freezer (20 years if my wife leaves me). Just not sure how long it will last.

2. Rebuildables. I have Kayfuns, drippers, and PT styles. Enough kanthal until the next ice age. Simple single coils are fine for me.

3. I'm well stocked with regulated and mechanical devices but only those that use replaceable batteries. I don't consider buying devices with internal batteries (yes, I'm slightly paranoid).

 

[twgbonehead]

I had 3 goals, all of which I feel I've met.

1. Nic. I have 10 years of 100% PG in the freezer (20 years if my wife leaves me). Just not sure how long it will last.

2. Rebuildables. I have Kayfuns, drippers, and PT styles. Enough kanthal until the next ice age. Simple single coils are fine for me.

3. I'm well stocked with regulated and mechanical devices but only those that use replaceable batteries. I don't consider buying devices with internal batteries (yes, I'm slightly paranoid).

So if the FDA regs get enacted, she's history? Just askin' ;-)

 

[Woofer]

Laptops and cellphones are driving the chemistry.

Electric vehicles are driving the form-factor (18650 and 26650) (well, and the chemistry).

Flashlights, RC vehicles, and e-cigs are just happy bystanders.

Agreed, as I recall reading the Tesla uses over 6000 18650s.
Big badda boom

 

[twgbonehead]

Agreed, as I recall reading the Tesla uses over 6000 18650s.
Big badda boom

I have a friend who used to work for A123 (and now works for the big company that bought out their battery division, can't remember who that is). They do primarily battery packs for transportation.

Their original packs were 18650, now they're all 26650's. Massive, like 86 batteries in a pack! Vape that!

 

[Grimwald]

So if the FDA regs get enacted, she's history? Just askin' ;-)

Well, I've been married to her for 40 years come August...but yeah, if the FDA acts, she's history.

 

[caramel]

Agreed, as I recall reading the Tesla uses over 6000 18650s.

But the question is - Does it vape?

 

[VapieDan]

I have never read anything that indicates to me the vaping industry is driving any battery development. If you have some information on this I would be very interested in it.

Did you see any 20 and 30 amp batteries before vaping? Do you see any other uses for them? Perhaps the auto electrics.