Preparing for vaping doomsday

[the_vape_nerd]

Have you seen this link in the ECF library?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/134842-long-term-storage-e-liquid.html

Thanks so much.

 

[bjannr]

My concern about gaping doomsday is more with the atomizers/cartomizers. I have a few APV's that take IMP batteries that will continue to be available. I have also experimented with making my own juice with flavored tea and coffee with plain PG. I could make do with that even with no nicotine. But what happens when my last atomizer and cartomizers dies? I have not gotten into the rebuidable hardware, but maybe I should.

 

[AuBadge]

I've noticed a sudden plethora of cheap PVs in local gas station/quickie marts; noticeably more than even a couple of months ago. I'm even seeing large ads for them prominantly displayed near the gas pumps. There's a change on the horizon, I feel.

 

[mommywoman]

You know what all this hype reminds me of? That whole Y2K, remember? Cause when we went into the year 2000 all this stuff was supposed to happen to computers, blah blah blah. Lol.

 

[mommywoman]

DC2, actually, true or not, the CDC does make claims that nicotine is not only highly addictive (which most of us know) but does cause cancer of the mouth and head. I made that statememt based on that claim by several organizatioms, incl ACS, CDC and the ADA. When I was recently at the dr I told her I was thinking of using ecig to quit smoking. Even though I knew better I misspoke saying that cutting back on nicotine would reduce my chances of lung cancer (I knew that statement was incorrect). She corrected me by saying it was the tar and all the toxins that are so unhealthy. Of course, I felt stupid for making my comment cause I knew it was wrong . At any rate, I was pleased to know that I really did know it was the tar and not nicotine and that she is all in favor of ecig. Incidentally, I have had 3 small pieces of my tongue removed for biopsy cause it was thought all 3 times I had cancer. Then recently I had to have a chest xray because I have suspicious symptoms. I am due to find out next week the results. So, that being said, thank you for reminding me that nicotine is not in fact the culprit in oral cancer, though I don't know what is, or even lung cancer. I do wonder though, if nicotine is so much more addictive than even ......, why are there no rehab facilities that we could check into for a 6 week period to quit "using"? Hhmmm. Things that make you go hhmmm.

 

[bjannr]

You know what all this hype reminds me of? That whole Y2K, remember? Cause when we went into the year 2000 all this stuff was supposed to happen to computers, blah blah blah. Lol.

Well whatever happens, I believe in preparation and planning. As a kid, my parents went grocery shopping every week. However we always had enough food for over a month on hand. If a huge snowstorm, flood or whatever might happen we would have been ok. Just like our vaping supplies, what if my income suddenly stops? The Post Office goes on strike? What if my soluble finances has to go for another type of emergency? I will be able to continue my habit without worry for almost 18 months. I figure even if the BAN comes by the time I run out, either black markets will emerge, or the ban will be lifted.

 

[AttyPops]

You know what all this hype reminds me of? That whole Y2K, remember? Cause when we went into the year 2000 all this stuff was supposed to happen to computers, blah blah blah. Lol.

Well, good point. However, I must add that a lot of the Y2K thing was a major SUCCESS! There were a lot of people that fixed stuff you didn't even know about ahead of time. That was the whole point. Not the fear part.. the taking action ahead of time part. And it worked.

As to vaping doomsday. I'm betting (but could be wrong) that since Lorillard et al are getting into e-cigs, the FDA (well Congress... since they can be bought via special interest PACs) won't stop em and will allow e-cigs to continue.

 

[grandmato5]

As far as I'm concerned learning to DIY and stocking up on DIY supplies, hardware, rebuildable attys, and all vaping supplies is a win-win situation. If our worse fears come to be via the FDA issuing their deeming regulation this summer, which they have said they will do, and ultimately putting into place regulations that make purchasing vaping supplies difficult I will be able to continue to vape as I wish for a very long time into the future. If a miracle happens and there are few changes to the way in which we purchase our vaping supplies in the future I will have already paid for my supplies and my future expensives for vaping will be extremely few which is a good thing looking forward to retirement in the future.

I've been vaping long enough to have found what works for me and keeps me vaping happy I'm not a person that has to alway have and try whats newest on the market so thats not a concern for me going forward. It is fun trying something new once in a while, be it a new vendor juice or hardware, and I sincerely hope it will be possible to continue to easily do that for a long time to come, but if not, I'll survive just fine.

 

[Absintheur]

I don't see a ban on nicotine...I do foresee a tax on it however. The feds want their cut is all...

 

[the_vape_nerd]

I don't see a ban on nicotine...I do foresee a tax on it however. The feds want their cut is all...

Yep, this is why I'm considering a stock pile.

 

[the_vape_nerd]

heres a little something for you people calling it "conspiracy theory"

CASAA: New York State Call to Action

 

[caffeinator]

heres a little something for you people calling it "conspiracy theory"

CASAA: New York State Call to Action

Was just reading this...are they utterly out of touch with facts?

read this from the proposed Bill:

JUSTIFICATION:

Electronic cigarettes are products designed to deliver nicotine and
other substance to a use in the form of a vapor. They are typically
composed of a rechargeable, battery-operated heating element, a
replaceable cartridge that may contain nicotine or other chemicals,
and an atomizer that, when heated, converts the contents of the
cartridge into vapor.

In 2009, the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a press
release warning individuals about the safety of electronic
cigarettes. Their laboratory analysis revealed that some electronic
cigarettes contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene
glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze that is toxic to humans. In
February 2012, a 57 year old man reportedly suffered severe injuries
when an electronic cigarette exploded in his mouth.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Sottera, Inc. v.
Food & Drug Administration, held that electronic cigarettes are not
drugs or devices unless they are marketed for therapeutic purposes.
Therefore, the cannot be regulated by the FDA as such. While the FDA
intends to propose a rule deeming products meeting the definition of
"tobacco products" to be subject to FDA regulation under the Family
Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, in the meantime these
devices remain completely unregulated. Due to the complete lack of
regulation and evaluation for safety, electronic cigarettes pose a
dangerous threat to the health and safety of New Yorkers. Therefore,
this bill would place a ban on the sale of such products.

Whaaat!?!

Their laboratory analysis revealed that some electronic
cigarettes contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene
glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze that is toxic to humans.

FAIK, we don't use diethylene glycol. At all, since we'd die.

In February 2012, a 57 year old man reportedly suffered severe injuries
when an electronic cigarette exploded in his mouth.

One idiot using a badly stacked batt had an unfortunate accident. Yeah, we knew the press would goad THAT into a political action, huh? Let's also ban walking or driving since they are far more likely to get you killed.

While the FDA intends to propose a rule deeming products meeting the definition of
"tobacco products" to be subject to FDA regulation under the Family
Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, in the meantime these
devices remain completely unregulated.

God help us if the Gov't can't control every aspect of our lives. We're obviously too stupid to live.

Jeez...now I need a beer...which of course never has hurt anyone ever...

 

[DC2]

FAIK, we don't use diethylene glycol. At all, since we'd die.

While we are out there fighting for truth and justice, and spreading the good word...
I like to make sure at least that OUR facts are straight and true.

So in that spirit, here you go...


The FDA antifreeze scare is based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol (DEG) in one of the cartridges they tested.

While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 18 tested.
It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.

And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down around 600 hundred cartridges in one day to get near a toxic level.

Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there no matter how little there was.

But also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes anyway.
And the FDA allows amounts of less than 0.1% DEG to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.

But the most important thing to know?
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

No other tests have ever found diethylene glycol in any electronic cigarette liquid.
And no test, including the FDA test in question, has EVER found DEG in the vapor produced.

 

[yzer]

Diethylene glycol contamination was discovered in some glycerin supplies.

The FDA responded by issuing recommended testing procedures for screening diethylene glycol in glycerin in 2007.
www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/.../Guidances/ucm070347.pdf

If diethylene glycol appeared in analysis of an e-liquid in 2009 it was probably because the e-liquid supplier was using outdated glycerin.

 

[yzer]

As you will read from the FDA Guidance linked in post #54 above, it was a fatality from using DEG contaminated glycerine used in a cough syrup in 2006 that prompted FDA action.