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Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

Discussion in 'Tanks, clearomizers and drop-in coils' started by M_DuBb716, Nov 1, 2013.

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  1. Vinnybagodoughnuts

    Vinnybagodoughnuts Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    Signing in Mac!!! Love my STMinis!!
    Over hill, over dale, Chinese atomiser never fail!
     
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  2. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Short Answer: More wick, more flow potential and power may be applied. More vapor, more flavor. Use a t.m.c., more efficiency and overall vaporization rate to make use of that thicker wick.

    Lifted from the post Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step. | Post 1280 for more info.

    30 seconds to a ridiculously wonderful vape…and it's all right here on this thread.

    Good luck all.

    :)

     
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  3. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Lifted from the thread Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step. | Post #1640 | E-Cigarette Forum where you can learn where your Subtank singles can go!

    How about some tensioned improv's crew? Just the real thing tho. Like this double-barrel, split-S, bunny ears or whatever we're callin 'em these days…


    Dbl Barrel Quad, Nextel Velocity-mini
    22x2 10/9 2.778mmØ=0.2972Ω
    46.06-59.35W (12.45-14.13A) 85-110 mW/mm²

    Strain's kept this honey goin' over a year and can't get my bud to give it up despite constant offers. Routine wash and low power dry burn of tensioned Nextel installs helps maintain the integrity of even high watt builds. Strain just lets you get a lot more production out of lower power as in this case. Translation? The vape just tastes better and lasts longer.

    Practical joy for the rest of us.

    Good luck. :)
     
  4. MacTechVpr

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    If a badly wound asymmetrical coil is going to arc, across itself or to the coil housing, it's going to happen regardless of the power source, mech or variable.

    Building a repeatable, consistent baseline practically eliminates that concern. So it won't be happening with one of these…

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    The remaining real concern with atomizers on mechanicals is the 510 connection. That the positive pin be adequately protruding such that it and the (negative) threads don't both simultaneously contact the battery positive causing a short. The positive pin on some atomizers is floating. That means that they can slide up too high into the 510 when screwed on too tightly. Great graphic illustration of this below thanks to the folks at Zamplebox®…

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    No worries. Vape safe.

    The positive pin on some atomizers is floating. That means that they can shift up into the 510 if it is screwed on too tightly.

    Good luck. :)
     
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  5. MacTechVpr

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    From the thread Good morning everybody . I'm new and researching ,first mech / build...... | Port # 100 | Page 5 | E-Cigarette Forum for reference…

    Congrats. As you consider the differences, pay close attention to apparent temperature. Temperature at a given wattage or voltage is a clear indicator of the vaporization efficiency of a wind. That is, how effectively it accomplishes the conversion. It's not merely important how much volume you may seemingly generate which determines a real overall level of production but its density. A cooler deeper density at any level of power is evidence of success in capturing the high side limits of a wind's capacity of conversion.

    One can always scale up a build to support more wattage (and so production) or add wattage to create more diffusion but you must have production first or you're merely further thinning the vape.

    Comparisons to be accurate and pertinent need to be of wire or combinations of the same total mass.

    [Sorry for the late edit. Still having my a.m. coffee, lol.]

    Good luck. :)

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  6. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Happy shopping everybody! :D

    Good luck. :)
     
  7. MacTechVpr

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    Lifted from the thread Best wicking matetial | Page 4 | Post #77 | E-Cigarette Forum for reference here.

    Regarding wicking and management of any flaking when sectioning Nextel, see these two posts…

    Best wicking matetial | Page 4 | Post #80 | E-Cigarette Forum
    Best wicking matetial | Page 4 | Post # 75 | E-Cigarette Forum

    CMD we both know this stuff is incredibly easy to wick. And if you know how it takes seconds and there is little shedding when properly handled.

    But get this…if you use a fine needle nose tweezers you can insert the moist wick almost through any wind. Even a monster like this one…


    You just moisten the point and squeeze or slightly roll the tip tightly as you grip it with the tweezer point. Since the wick being braided and hollow compresses you can use this technique to insert 3mm into all diameters above 7/64" (2.778mm). Once in it's so slippery that it follows the wind right through if you just softly rotate it with a little forward pressure.

    It's almost as much a pleasure rebuilding with this as using it.

    Good luck. :)
     
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  8. MacTechVpr

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    For general info here, from the thread …Vaping is too complicated. | Page 4 | Post #79 | E-Cigarette Forum

    The foremost cause of hot leads or hot segments in open or closed coils is geometric asymmetry. This may as well contribute to ineffective termination. The mangling brought by the irregularity of hand winding or common forming (bending) can corrupt a wind and unbalance dual or parallel elements. A common hazard is inconsistent wick contact which results in hot zones or segments regardless of coil type, i.e. variations in turn-to-turn diameters, spacing. There is a methodology to best promote temp stability across coils using strain in wind and installation to promote symmetry, uniform rigidity, oxidation and so durability. It makes best use of the properties of Kanthal, a wire developed to serve as a thermal element. Such coils are notably less susceptible to hot leads. Best of all, it's so simple anyone can do it…and consistently reproduce it!

    It may not be the way we always vape…but it sure is a nice warm and reliable hearth to return to from the cold.

    Good luck all and Happy New Year. :)

     
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  9. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Welcome everyone. If you need assistance, shout out. Someone will pick you up or I'll do my best.

    Good luck. :)
     
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  10. MacTechVpr

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    Lifted from the thread FL ALERT: Florida Constitution Revision Commission | E-Cigarette Forum for reference here…

    Just received an alert from Alex Clark, CEO (CASAA), re Proposal 65…which ostensibly proposes a referendum amending the FL constitution to proscribe public [indoor] vaping, to be placed on the ballot in Nov. This is horribly short notice for this apparently first public meeting of the Constitutional Revision Commission (CRC) on this issue. For this critical question with profound individual rights implications, participants will only be allowed 2 minutes to voice their opinion!

    For what it's worth, here at the particulars…

    Tuesday, February 6, 2018
    1:00 PM - 7:00 PM
    Rick Case Arena at the Don Taft University Center (map)
    3301 College Avenue
    Fort Lauderdale, FL 33314

    Presently because the state preempts legislation on this matter private business and those who live in community environments are somewhat sheltered from frivolous local regulation. If this passes a great many vapers and vape enterprise owners may find themselves targeted by every street corner zealot.

    Good luck. :)
     
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  11. MacTechVpr

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    Lifted from the thread Coils caught on fire! | Page 2 | E-Cigarette Forum for reference…

    Massively agree with your 1st P. But there's nary a discussion of the shorting potentials of asymmetrical unoxidized multi-wire no matter how much we rake, chant or good the soundtrack…



    OP's post adequately describes arcing. Note to self (it doesn't have to touch). Oh, and they can run the length of the coil, no screwdriver required.

    Not everything beautiful works as advertised.

    Good luck. :)

    [p.s. Upping the power (voltage) increases those potentials.]

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  12. MacTechVpr

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    Dropped several posts for @c4ppucino on managing coil distortion when installing here…

    Kanthal coil got skewed after dry firing

    Too many to cross-post so check the menu pull down/items…
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    to catch them all.

    Good luck. :)

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  13. MacTechVpr

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    For reference, from the thread…Replacing coils every other day. | E-Cigarette Forum

    Good morning all. Some great comebacks! I've read a few of these threads and I'm always curious what the spec of the coil is and what the heck does it look like. Still marvel after all these years why…the pic! the pic!…is rarely asked for. I mean really, are we that into reading?

    Good point. Complex pigments are not necessarily visible. Sugars are particularly pernicious where accretion is concerned. Problem is that makers' formulas vary and aren't usually the noted flavoring alone but a recipe perhaps containing additional flavorings and other ingredients. Don't find blueberry or vanilla to be particularly dirty (ex. madagascar, or a pure or partial extraction) vs. caramels or some custards. Again, the spec is important. Otherwise, testing is the only way to be sure. And to come back on point…before we get to having to diagnose a gunk problem. Why? because it could be the performance of the device. But it's hard to diagnose if the juice is suspect (why I love RDA's and rebuilding).
    Can I tell ya, I love the Kanger's for getting things right, for the simplicity. I build to a standard precisely so that assessing hardware and ultimately juices is ultimately simpler. That's really my point for answering here. Get rid of the easy stuff first…the wind itself, the mechanics used for installation and device parameters/setups…which we're going to do repeatedly anyway. Be certain of that and then the subtle differences which can make or break a juice's performance can be far, far easier to isolate. And all the above does become much easier with repetition. So a baseline approach is key. All we can do and know is controlled for. The big mystery, the great unknown, at the end of the day is what we're vaping. But you all know I was gonna say that, right?

    LV build a tensioned Kanthal microcoil to a metric, at least 7/64" for the KST and high power which I gather you're using (>25W). Rec's are good that you start from the lower side but I hesitate to suggest anything without seeing your wind/s. Takes seconds to make this, oxidize and space (if you insist later for contrast) either before are after burn-in. Point is to try to get to the most predictable thermal result as possible. On the ST I wouldn't space as the post-to-post spread is narrow. It will lengthen the coil minimizing turn count and surface area. This is kinda how you get into the over-powered gunking winds zone (smart move to ditch the multi-wire with the juice you're trying to nail down). That can come later.

    Few simple tools and some wire and you'll have baseline you can weigh any kind of build or coil product against. Why? You'll be able to replicate the exact flavor and performance on demand to use for comparison. Hope this makes some sense and is useful to you.

    Good luck LV. :)

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  14. MacTechVpr

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    Welcome @karlmetz. Here to help when you're ready to give it a try.

    Good luck. :)
     
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  15. MacTechVpr

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    First I'd check…Home - Kanger World…for any still available spares. Then eBay, FT, 3F, GearBest, etc. if the search engines don't pan out for the specific part/s. Here's two handy search tools…

    PicClick • Search eBay Faster. Find it first!
    Vapecrawler

    Always search here on ECF first to check if members found a good deal or source.

    Good luck. :)
     
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  16. MacTechVpr

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    An excellent strategy. Also, hold on to the orig OCC assemblies. They dismantle with a little effort. Then adjusted, i.e. shaved, trimmed, filed etc. to make disassembly easier. Advantage?


    The OCC can take more varied and robust winds that'll far outperform anything in the RBA. I like the deck for <30 tab builds. But the first replaceable can really stoke the KST. Kanger bad and did us wrong to lock 'em up.

    But if you happen to disagree y'all go ahead and send me your old OCC assemblies. I'll def put 'em to good use. Glad to have to help folks quit with rebuilding. And you can't get much easier than that. Just better.

    Cood luck. :)
     
  18. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Lifted from the thread FIRE IN THE HOLE | Post #29 | Page 2 | E-Cigarette Forum for reference on the effects of lack of symmetry (of both elements and their segments) inc good tube on spontaneous ignition and discussion of glycerols and their properties…

    Good puff thx for the demo. Obvious ?, notice anything peculiar about the build? The apparent [unwicked] wire temp it got to?

    Symmetry is our friend. Of elements and segments.

    Good luck. :)
     
  19. MacTechVpr

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    Lifted from the thread…Need suggestions for a good MTL build on my Kayfun Prime - replicating my Nautilus 2 as a reminder. :)

    No better hidden secret on this forum…

    A fabulous vape in 30 seconds and no better method for an honest baseline. Vape memory is all too easily persuaded by shiny and me gots too.

    Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.
    Protank MicroCoil Discussion!

    Then there's always chuckin' horseshoes. ;)

    Good luck. :)

    p.s. Think mass to wetted surface area. What does it get ya?
     
  20. Alter

    Alter Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I was bored one evening...long ago. It takes some good honest tapping along with the proper sized tool to get the sleeve out of a kanger subtank mini vertical coil too make it a horizontal coil. I have to sit down and redo it to figure it out again but YES it can be done and not damage anything. I'll wait for the day my last RBA bites the dust before dwelling into rebuilding the factory coils.
     

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