Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

[cigatron]

I was hoping it wasn't Temco wire since I have never checked mine out per foot.

I've been pondering whether or not super accurate resistance per foot is really that important .

I would say it is if you are trying to duplicate someone elses build and want to have some assurance that you gotterdone right.

But what about overall performance? Is their really a noticeable difference in quality of vape if your wire resistance per foot is a little high or low? Couldn't you just compensate with a small voltage adjustment to match your target wattage? I'm not sure

 

[f1vefour]

On a mechanical it is super important, on an APV it isn't critical.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I've been pondering whether or not super accurate resistance per foot is really that important .

I would say it is if you are trying to duplicate someone elses build and want to have some assurance that you gotterdone right.

But what about overall performance? Is their really a noticeable difference in quality of vape if your wire resistance per foot is a little high or low? Couldn't you just compensate with a small voltage adjustment to match your target wattage? I'm not sure

Useful to predict a resistance variation! LOL If you build to a tight tolerance consistently, you'll notice the deviation. Might be good to know if as f1ve noted you then use the wire on a mech and if comfortable with a given wind you might be tempted to skip the read. If you keep noting a departure from the expected you keep looking as you did. Why I said well done.

But it's always useful for us to be wary.on the low side of the build target regardless of the batt. As I noted in an earlier post, a variable's threshold may be too fault tolerant while our vape consistently is off. There the deviation is telling even to the high side. Put that way cig, yes the quality of vape will be revealing too. And that is when the two factors should be taken seriously. That's when fiddle factor reduction should come into play and in goes the fresh coil. No sense suffering.

Really curious? Measure the wind coming out. Prove the resistance.

But in typical use variations due to wire as long as it is consistent and known is no big deal. As long as the math works, you know your expected and usual target, you hit close to it…your golden.

Now on the subject of vape sensitivity, yikes! That's a tough call. I recently narrowed down the optimal vape temp in a dripper for my absolute fav right now as between .6 and .65 Ω. I'd been working on this for some weeks. And when i hit the zone this juice flavor while already spectacular popped to new heights like all the harmonious keys on the keyboard going off at once. Yeah, there's always a better…if only slightly. I had to make a trip to share it with the designer who was only all the more impressed with their accomplishment. Next, to isolate that zone in a closed tank.

Enjoy the vape.

Good luck.

 

[f1vefour]

My target for most juices is 0.85 ohms on a nano coil which is 15 - 20 watts over the course of a battery charge on a mech.

On a ProTank I like to vape a 1.5 ohm @ 11 watts for most juices.

 

[MacTechVpr]

My target for most juices is 0.85 ohms on a nano coil which is 15 - 20 watts over the course of a battery charge on a mech.

On a ProTank I like to vape a 1.5 ohm @ 11 watts for most juices.

Yep, you're there. That's where you need to be. Considering targets in terms of wattage ranges over batt life relative to your juice preferences. Exactly. Maximizing the vape quality.

It isn't that difficult and where I hope we can get more folks to quickly.

So if you're listening in the gallery, welcome. Get your vape right here from good 'ol f1ve. He's got the ticket.

Good luck.

 

[cigatron]

Great posts! I'm learning alot from you all.

A little OT but is it possible to put regulated batteries in a mech mod to allow for a more consistant wattage? If so, why don't more folks do that? Does it have something to do with running subohm coils maybe?

 

[Mazinny]

Will be attempting to rebuild Aerotank coils with single/cotton this weekend. For those of you who have already, what is the best way to fill the extra space ? more cotton or silica ? or am i better off using a regular kanger coil, and add an extra silicone cover on the stem ?

thanks.

 

[Mazinny]

My target for most juices is 0.85 ohms on a nano coil which is 15 - 20 watts over the course of a battery charge on a mech.

On a ProTank I like to vape a 1.5 ohm @ 11 watts for most juices.

Yeah, i have settled on the 1.5 to 1.7 ohm range as well. 9 to 10 watts for me. Up to 12 is fine, but i don't detect enough of a flavor upgrade to compensate for the battery drain.

have you heard about the studies that claim when you heat up the coils too much, the formaldehyde level in the vapor approaches the amounts coming out of cigarette smoke ? Sorta scared me from using drippers with resistance lower than 1 ohm, on my mechs.

 

[f1vefour]

Great posts! I'm learning alot from you all.

A little OT but is it possible to put regulated batteries in a mech mod to allow for a more consistant wattage? If so, why don't more folks do that? Does it have something to do with running subohm coils maybe?

Your talking about using a device called a kick, sits on top of the battery and has adjustable voltage. A lot of people use them.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Yeah, i have settled on the 1.5 to 1.7 ohm range as well. 9 to 10 watts for me. Up to 12 is fine, but i don't detect enough of a flavor upgrade to compensate for the battery drain.

have you heard about the studies that claim when you heat up the coils too much, the formaldehyde level in the vapor approaches the amounts coming out of cigarette smoke ? Sorta scared me from using drippers with resistance lower than 1 ohm, on my mechs.

Yes, I've heard mention of that. From what I've read it requires power levels in excess of what most of us would use to induce that reaction from Kanthal. Admittedly, I'm resigned to additional study on this. It would be a shame because that's not all that cloud blowers are chasin'. Some juice flavor absolutely shine in the zone between .5 and 1.0Ω.

On the other end maz I'm with you. Same res range and power. On fixed tanks 10W is more than ample and not that much of a flavor improvement beyond. On my ZNA that means going to a dripper. However, some like the Immortalizer already produce incredible density and texture and much lower power.

It begs the question, what's the point? I'm sure there are those that have a flavor sensitivity there. Might even be enhanced there and not as distinctive at lower power levels.

I give 'em the skillet. I don't cook their juice. LOL I'll share the table with you.



Good luck.

 

[f1vefour]

Yeah, i have settled on the 1.5 to 1.7 ohm range as well. 9 to 10 watts for me. Up to 12 is fine, but i don't detect enough of a flavor upgrade to compensate for the battery drain.

have you heard about the studies that claim when you heat up the coils too much, the formaldehyde level in the vapor approaches the amounts coming out of cigarette smoke ? Sorta scared me from using drippers with resistance lower than 1 ohm, on my mechs.

I have heard this but I think the formaldehyde is coming from a combination of juice and wicking material. They weren't testing an atomizer wicked with cotton which is all I use, either way I'm not worried about it since while smoking for 22 years I did more damage than this ever will.

 

[MacTechVpr]

This article may shed some light...

Formaldehyde release in ecigarette vapor The New York Times story explained in detail

Thank you Ecigarette Research Advocates Group.

I only vape 100% VG.

Good luck.

 

[Mazinny]

Yes, I've heard mention of that. From what I've read it requires power levels in excess of what most of us would use to induce that reaction from Kanthal. Admittedly, I'm resigned to additional study on this. It would be a shame because that's not all that cloud blowers are chasin'. Some juice flavor absolutely shine in the zone between .5 and 1.0Ω.

On the other end maz I'm with you. Same res range and power. On fixed tanks 10W is more than ample and not that much of a flavor improvement beyond. On my ZNA that means going to a dripper. However, some like the Immortalizer already produce incredible density and texture and much lower power.

It begs the question, what's the point? I'm sure there are those that have a flavor sensitivity there. Might even be enhanced there and not as distinctive at lower power levels.

I give 'em the skillet. I don't cook their juice. LOL I'll share the table with you.



Good luck.

well, they used an ego twist, and apparently they measured formaldehyde release at 3.2 and 4.8 volts. Didn't mention what the resistance of the atty was, or what type of atty, whether the wicks were saturated properly at 4.8 volts etc... We need more studies from our side of the industry imo. People who know the mechanism of vaping assisting the scientists in controlled studies is crucial. Real life scenarios need to be created, not theoretical ones

Mac, have you rebuilt an aerotank coil ?

 

[Mazinny]

This article may shed some light...

Formaldehyde release in ecigarette vapor The New York Times story explained in detail

Thank you Ecigarette Research Advocates Group.

Yeah, i icluded this link in addition to the NYT article, when i asked you the question a few days ago. Not totally convinced, by his explanation either tbh.

I only vape 100% VG.

Good luck.

Yeah, i linked this response in addition to the NYT story, when i asked you the question a few days ago. Not totally convinced by his explanation/clarification either tbh, but until the studies are published and we know more details and methodology used, there's no point speculating i suppose.

 

[Mazinny]

Your talking about using a device called a kick, sits on top of the battery and has adjustable voltage. A lot of people use them.

adjustable wattage

 

[cigatron]

Will be attempting to rebuild Aerotank coils with single/cotton this weekend. For those of you who have already, what is the best way to fill the extra space ? more cotton or silica ? or am i better off using a regular kanger coil, and add an extra silicone cover on the stem ?

thanks.

Check out posts 1172-1182 & maybe 1211 also.
The "wick tuck"

 

[Mazinny]

Check out posts 1172-1182 & maybe 1211 also.
The "wick tuck"

Wick tuck, eh ? Will give it a try tomorrow, and post my results. Thanks.

 

[brookj1986]

Not gonna lie. I've been dripping heavily lately and haven't used a bcc or pro tank in over a week. Dripping had lead to the dreaded vapers' tongue... but the coils I'm wrapping are getting to be perfect tensioned coils. Thank you all. Just figured I'd drop in since I haven't posted in a while, though I have shared the link in the MVP 2 thread which has brought some more people to this knowledge!

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[clnire]

Just figured I'd drop in since I haven't posted in a while, though I have shared the link in the MVP 2 thread which has brought some more people to this knowledge!

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk.

Brook I think you are the reason I found this wonderful thread. Thank you!

pardon the typos, on my phone

 

[f1vefour]

adjustable wattage

Depends on which one you use