I for one, would appreciate it if you do have this discussion on this thread, or at least somewhere i can follow it
I don't know enough about the topic to think about coherently, just enough to be able to follow the discussion somewhat !- Status
I for one, would appreciate it if you do have this discussion on this thread, or at least somewhere i can follow it
I don't know enough about the topic to think about coherently, just enough to be able to follow the discussion somewhat !
First Alden thank you, and I'm sure cigatron appreciates the nod too.
But you break my heart Alden dangit. Your story epitomizes why I am on here at all. I am a disabled American. I knew there would be challenges to all of us and that vaping could be far more inclusive. I joined ECF to improve the science and make it more accessible to the broadest reach of vapers. The ones who can readily and easily explore the boundaries, well God bless 'em. Have at it. I write for the rest of us and one is your Dad.
I see no damned reason why we're still living in the dark ages in vaping. And I'm doing everything possible to end that. Let's call it the Tension Winding Initiative. I know that for many of us rebuilding every day or often and even at all is difficult or impossible. If I have my way, coils would be made in America, by many; that is, you could find folks making them everywhere and as common as the short-order cook. And my friend, I've been exploring exactly that with S Florida as a test bed. So to make proper electrical coils for vaping as common and inexpensive, relatively, as it should very well be. That has been the foundation of my research. And I've just acknowledged it for the very first time here, to you.
I am waiting for reasonable Americans within our own retail vaping community to understand the necessity, that there is the wide market there (not the narrow) and the commercial reward of this product and service. Hoping that it happens and that this broad majority of us who are merely waiting for it, may come to see it.
Wish us all luck Alden, this isn't at all about cloud blowing (though we like it too, don't we?).
Thanks, Mac!
You are truly a gentleman and a scholar.
I also am not worried about people like you and me who will do what they have to to find a good vape. Like you, however, I am concerned about the far majority of vapors who are unable to deal with the current fiddliness of finding a good vape. It's not rocket science and shouldn't be that difficult to attain a simple, consistent, satisfying vaping experience.
Our current vaping methodology, using resistance coils, wicks and gravity/vacuum liquid feeding is so 20th Century (if not 19th!). Juice feeding and vapor temperature should not be tied to airflow. The debate over the best wicking medium should be practically non-existent. Leaking should not be a real probability. Resistance coils are one of the least efficient (if not the least) electrical means of producing heat. But, alas, I see them as the primary source of vaping products for the foreseeable future. Why? $$$
Once the politicians and bureaucrats decide the fate of the vaping community; falling somewhat to our side, I'm optimistically thinking; money, science, technology and human ingenuity will be allocated to the industry. Why? It's currently over a BILLION dollars a year (with much more to come); pure capitalism. I'm seeing e-juice precisely, consistently and variably fed into a ceramic cup, precisely and variably heated by a battery-powered infrared system, creating an AMAZING vape. I don't really know. I'm no hydro-thermal engineer. Who knows? Apple may have a design in the works or in the vault already. Anyone interested in an iVape or iCig?
Such a device will not be cheap, however. Most schlumps like myself will be stuck with the antiquated technology we currently use for the next decade, purely because of economic reasons. The new stuff will be wicked expensive. IP in the form of patents, copyrights and trademarks will slow the infusion of the technology to the masses. China will be prohibited from selling their "clones" anywhere that has signed international IP treaties. Ordering directly from Fasttech may be our only chance at reasonable pricing altogether, hoping that our orders don't get confiscated at the ports/borders. (I don't want to get into a huge IP discussion. I believe innovators should be rewarded for their efforts. But I hope we can all agree that the current state of IP in the world is, at best, dysfunctional.)
The mechs and RDAs will continue much unchanged. They are art, hobby, collectable and competitive pursuits; much like painting, dance, sport, music or restoring classic cars.
We are at the infancy of a new industry. Not something we often see anymore. BIG money/business has not gotten involved yet, as they're awaiting the regulatory/taxing fallout. Once things have settled, I can see 3M creating a purpose-built wicking medium out of their Nextel Ceramic technology. I see GE and TI developing amazing mass-produced chipsets, specifically for regulated mods that are very affordable (approximately $10). I see a section at Walmart that sells nic base, PG, VG, flavorings and incredible, affordable pre-made e-liquid. (What does it cost to produce e-liquids in large batches, $ .06-.10 per ml?)
The vaping industry has seen drastic advances over the last few years. We can expect to see a continual, drastic evolution over the next few. But we're here now. And we should all look to you for inspiration, as an example of making the best out of what we currently have. After all, our lives and well-being actually depend on it.
Bless you, Mac for all that you've done and, I'm sure, will continue to do for the cause. I appreciate it. My dad appreciates it even more. And a little cloud blowing never hurt anyone. ;-)
Now, how about ideas on wrapping twisted Kanthal?
Thanks,
~Alden
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Use your diy cigatron coil winder. Clamp one end of the twisted wire into a vise and the other end on the tool. Get your wind started on the mandrel. Slip a small box end wrench onto the mandrel to use as an extra handle for leverage. Lean back and give r ell. I have pre-annealed and not annealed and have not seen a difference in vape quality. I pretty much have to pre-anneal larger twisted winds just to take the springyness out.
Hope this helps
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Hope this helps
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A not so brief rundown on my informal test of the Kanger D/C Aero Tank. Yes, I finally broke down and bought some. I've vaped, sampled a great many. Had some loaners. But I figured I'd put a couple through their paces vs. current iteration t.m.c.'s. The results though predictable reflected well for the Kanger product at the very least in up front operation.
A Kanger, as an Aspire, etc. d/c performs persuasively out of the chute. No doubt about it. Even this 2.1 has impressive production although about half the density of a comparable t.m.c. with stock aero airflow. And even as I'd had the experience before, as I got into the 2nd and 3rd half-tank top-off I was starting to wonder if Kanger was upping their game. The tank design is good if not particularly different than it's predecessor in the change of its cap/dome. The principal and only significant design change is in the head armature and chimney to allow the taller dual coil cup. Which to me means merely less rebuilding, more coil sales…unless there's an improvement in production. And halfway in I might have thought so.
First thing I encountered was the usual scorched (dried ahead of feed) silica taste when pushed out to 12W. I backed off repeatedly trying again until after the 2nd half-top it started to become tolerable. I had found the point where I could control draw enough not to overdrive the wick and it became somewhat more palatable. However, as always the past year, the sensation of vaping through cardboard is a constant. I can seem to cancel it considerably better than ordinary cotton, except for KGD. The latter is as neutral as cotton can be.
The remainder through the sixth half-fill was uneventful. A smooth rather translucent vape, not as nuanced as Eko or anywhere as neutral and authentic as Nextel but acceptable. The additional flow brought by the power is definitely beneficial. I think my experience with factory coils mirrors that of many that I'm lucky enough to have one work this well 2/3 times. So, not too shabby. The coil reached it's predictable downturn of flow and flavor day 3 with a marked discoloration I want to say somewhere after the 6th half-fill. And that could be six days of vaping for some. I'd say a solid 3-4 days for most relying principally on the one PV. But with diminished response the last 25%. Admittedly, a good percentage of us would continue vaping it in a discolored cooked state (at 12W) out to a week I'm sure. I don't think that's everyone. Although I'm inclined to think that a lot of resellers would insist just that. Or even longer, out two weeks, as my first vape supplier did even as I lamented I couldn't vape a ViVi more than two days.
Such is the road to discovery to coin a word.
The one unavoidably notable thing is how markedly warmer the Kanger dual-coil is compared to a t.m.c. wind of comparable resistance. I'll leave it those of you who have been paying attention here to appreciate the significance of that. And no, it's not about preference boys and girls. If that's what you thought…do not pass go, go straight to jail, do not collect your $200.
So what's the verdict. More loose winds do not make a vape. Sorry. The vape is predictably and increasingly gurgled and leaky. The nature of silica is to deconstruct and loosen. And like cotton, it constricts. Starting out with a loose wind with this scenario it's to be expected that efficient thermal transfer is going to be compromised. So to echo alden's earlier remarks..it begs the question, why?
I won't reiterate the performance stats I've compiled here on ceramic wick. I think it's impressive and most are based on worst possible case examination of challenging juices. Nor will I mention my best result tests which extend far beyond the capacity of any factory coil I've tested. And I'm not going to commit to a long-term exam of Kanger's dual coils as prohibitively expensive given the potential return. I will continue evaluating the releases certainly and most definitely will rebuild on them in due course. I'll let you know.
Don't be dissuaded from attempting to rebuild by the design. A 2mm slot gives us some broader wicking possibilities even if Nextel does not perform best at that diameter. Some people prefer Ekowool or even silica. And you cotton lovers will most assuredly love the extra wick potential. I know I'll like it when I get there.
I'd say the newer Kanger tanks continue to be a great value for the money and must admit that here. As much as I've come to be fascinated by higher end rebuildables, it's a lot of bang for the buck. And the weaknesses of the form factor are well understood thanks to the contributions of many here.
To quote Pete I'd have to say thumbs up.
Good luck all.
p.s. Cutting off my 2nd test tank on the latter half 4th day having killed the 1st this morning. The parallel ceramic wick test tanks running the same brew on 10x1.778@12W29AWG are up a week, still retaining the same color. They'll be taken down as not my preferred flavor return at this point and I detect some saturation and ashiness.
A Kanger, as an Aspire, etc. d/c performs persuasively out of the chute. No doubt about it. Even this 2.1 has impressive production although about half the density of a comparable t.m.c. with stock aero airflow. And even as I'd had the experience before, as I got into the 2nd and 3rd half-tank top-off I was starting to wonder if Kanger was upping their game. The tank design is good if not particularly different than it's predecessor in the change of its cap/dome. The principal and only significant design change is in the head armature and chimney to allow the taller dual coil cup. Which to me means merely less rebuilding, more coil sales…unless there's an improvement in production. And halfway in I might have thought so.
First thing I encountered was the usual scorched (dried ahead of feed) silica taste when pushed out to 12W. I backed off repeatedly trying again until after the 2nd half-top it started to become tolerable. I had found the point where I could control draw enough not to overdrive the wick and it became somewhat more palatable. However, as always the past year, the sensation of vaping through cardboard is a constant. I can seem to cancel it considerably better than ordinary cotton, except for KGD. The latter is as neutral as cotton can be.
The remainder through the sixth half-fill was uneventful. A smooth rather translucent vape, not as nuanced as Eko or anywhere as neutral and authentic as Nextel but acceptable. The additional flow brought by the power is definitely beneficial. I think my experience with factory coils mirrors that of many that I'm lucky enough to have one work this well 2/3 times. So, not too shabby. The coil reached it's predictable downturn of flow and flavor day 3 with a marked discoloration I want to say somewhere after the 6th half-fill. And that could be six days of vaping for some. I'd say a solid 3-4 days for most relying principally on the one PV. But with diminished response the last 25%. Admittedly, a good percentage of us would continue vaping it in a discolored cooked state (at 12W) out to a week I'm sure. I don't think that's everyone. Although I'm inclined to think that a lot of resellers would insist just that. Or even longer, out two weeks, as my first vape supplier did even as I lamented I couldn't vape a ViVi more than two days.
Such is the road to discovery to coin a word.
The one unavoidably notable thing is how markedly warmer the Kanger dual-coil is compared to a t.m.c. wind of comparable resistance. I'll leave it those of you who have been paying attention here to appreciate the significance of that. And no, it's not about preference boys and girls. If that's what you thought…do not pass go, go straight to jail, do not collect your $200.
So what's the verdict. More loose winds do not make a vape. Sorry. The vape is predictably and increasingly gurgled and leaky. The nature of silica is to deconstruct and loosen. And like cotton, it constricts. Starting out with a loose wind with this scenario it's to be expected that efficient thermal transfer is going to be compromised. So to echo alden's earlier remarks..it begs the question, why?
I won't reiterate the performance stats I've compiled here on ceramic wick. I think it's impressive and most are based on worst possible case examination of challenging juices. Nor will I mention my best result tests which extend far beyond the capacity of any factory coil I've tested. And I'm not going to commit to a long-term exam of Kanger's dual coils as prohibitively expensive given the potential return. I will continue evaluating the releases certainly and most definitely will rebuild on them in due course. I'll let you know.
Don't be dissuaded from attempting to rebuild by the design. A 2mm slot gives us some broader wicking possibilities even if Nextel does not perform best at that diameter. Some people prefer Ekowool or even silica. And you cotton lovers will most assuredly love the extra wick potential. I know I'll like it when I get there.
I'd say the newer Kanger tanks continue to be a great value for the money and must admit that here. As much as I've come to be fascinated by higher end rebuildables, it's a lot of bang for the buck. And the weaknesses of the form factor are well understood thanks to the contributions of many here.
To quote Pete I'd have to say thumbs up.
Good luck all.
p.s. Cutting off my 2nd test tank on the latter half 4th day having killed the 1st this morning. The parallel ceramic wick test tanks running the same brew on 10x1.778@12W29AWG are up a week, still retaining the same color. They'll be taken down as not my preferred flavor return at this point and I detect some saturation and ashiness.
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Thanks, Mac!
You are truly a gentleman and a scholar.
I also am not worried about people like you and me who will do what they have to to find a good vape. Like you, however, I am concerned about the far majority of vapors who are unable to deal with the current fiddliness of finding a good vape. It's not rocket science and shouldn't be that difficult to attain a simple, consistent, satisfying vaping experience.
Our current vaping methodology, using resistance coils, wicks and gravity/vacuum liquid feeding is so 20th Century (if not 19th!). Juice feeding and vapor temperature should not be tied to airflow. The debate over the best wicking medium should be practically non-existent. Leaking should not be a real probability. Resistance coils are one of the least efficient (if not the least) electrical means of producing heat. But, alas, I see them as the primary source of vaping products for the foreseeable future. Why? $$$
Once the politicians and bureaucrats decide the fate of the vaping community; falling somewhat to our side, I'm optimistically thinking; money, science, technology and human ingenuity will be allocated to the industry. Why? It's currently over a BILLION dollars a year (with much more to come); pure capitalism. I'm seeing e-juice precisely, consistently and variably fed into a ceramic cup, precisely and variably heated by a battery-powered infrared system, creating an AMAZING vape. I don't really know. I'm no hydro-thermal engineer. Who knows? Apple may have a design in the works or in the vault already. Anyone interested in an iVape or iCig?
Such a device will not be cheap, however. Most schlumps like myself will be stuck with the antiquated technology we currently use for the next decade, purely because of economic reasons. The new stuff will be wicked expensive. IP in the form of patents, copyrights and trademarks will slow the infusion of the technology to the masses. China will be prohibited from selling their "clones" anywhere that has signed international IP treaties. Ordering directly from Fasttech may be our only chance at reasonable pricing altogether, hoping that our orders don't get confiscated at the ports/borders. (I don't want to get into a huge IP discussion. I believe innovators should be rewarded for their efforts. But I hope we can all agree that the current state of IP in the world is, at best, dysfunctional.)
The mechs and RDAs will continue much unchanged. They are art, hobby, collectable and competitive pursuits; much like painting, dance, sport, music or restoring classic cars.
We are at the infancy of a new industry. Not something we often see anymore. BIG money/business has not gotten involved yet, as they're awaiting the regulatory/taxing fallout. Once things have settled, I can see 3M creating a purpose-built wicking medium out of their Nextel Ceramic technology. I see GE and TI developing amazing mass-produced chipsets, specifically for regulated mods that are very affordable (approximately $10). I see a section at Walmart that sells nic base, PG, VG, flavorings and incredible, affordable pre-made e-liquid. (What does it cost to produce e-liquids in large batches, $ .06-.10 per ml?)
The vaping industry has seen drastic advances over the last few years. We can expect to see a continual, drastic evolution over the next few. But we're here now. And we should all look to you for inspiration, as an example of making the best out of what we currently have. After all, our lives and well-being actually depend on it.
Bless you, Mac for all that you've done and, I'm sure, will continue to do for the cause. I appreciate it. My dad appreciates it even more. And a little cloud blowing never hurt anyone. ;-)
Now, how about ideas on wrapping twisted Kanthal?
Thanks,
~Alden
Thanks again for your remarks Alden. I may have to revisit them in more detail. I'll suffice it to say that a great many of your observations parallel my thoughts on the direction of the industry. But neither of our views are unique. They mirror those of many in vaping including some of the major partners here on ECF I understand going back some time. However, your conclusions are somewhat off I believe. Automation will result in higher costs, substantially, to the centralizers and concentrators. And bureaucracy will not permit regulatory sanctions that result in less tax revenue than now exists as their planned soft landing continues. This translates to higher unit costs and taxes than smokers now experience, and not less. You may be right that the potential exists for far better cost efficiencies; however, not by the means contemplated. I believe a different kind of marketplace and delivery chain must arise to avert this. But to the centralists a theoretical rational market is the objective and the preceding anathema.
You my friend are a vaping optimist. Perhaps I am too. Pragmatically speaking the scenario you and I describe does not yield an environment where unregulated vaping will be permissible. They do not need to ban mods to accomplish it. But you may certainly see what it portends for the vape shop that exists today so addicted to the easy profits of consumables and dedicated to creating the marketplace defined by the centralists. So no Arden, there will be no hobbyist survivors of this apocalypse. Control for us is illusion if we don't make it ourselves.
And that is why I am here. Those who need help, or want to, you know where to find me. I've got my Galt's Gulch.
Good luck all.
p.s. This is no knee-jerk reaction to the third chapter of Atlas Shrugged nor necessarily an endorsement of the philosophy. I've been a classical liberal all my life.
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Not to get you guys off of politics or anything, but.......
I actually tried some of Kangers dual coil V1 heads in Mini PT3s. I had V2 flow controls on them and just didn't see an advantage. I actually gave them to my son.
The vape was warmer, flavor was not as good as my PT2s with micro coils and cotton or cc.
Sure they can be rebuilt, but I have yet to see them beat the flavor of a properly built single coil at 1.5 ohms and lower wattage.
Maybe I'm just lazy and don't want to mess with duals?
Just my 2 cents all!
From A Galaxy Far Away
I actually tried some of Kangers dual coil V1 heads in Mini PT3s. I had V2 flow controls on them and just didn't see an advantage. I actually gave them to my son.
The vape was warmer, flavor was not as good as my PT2s with micro coils and cotton or cc.
Sure they can be rebuilt, but I have yet to see them beat the flavor of a properly built single coil at 1.5 ohms and lower wattage.
Maybe I'm just lazy and don't want to mess with duals?
Just my 2 cents all!
From A Galaxy Far Away
As a side note to my previous post, while using the V1 dual coil heads I did notice that the bore in the positive post pin was a larger diameter than the PT2s.
I have used these pins in my PT2s and there is a noticeable increase in air flow. If this is something that you are looking for this will help you out. Even with the V2 air flow controls the increase was quite noticeable.
If you would like to try this though, rather than buying stock Kanger heads try the parts from Lightning Vapes. They carry the complete head (no coil or wick) or you can purchase the parts individually just like the PT2 parts.
Now its 3 cents!
I have used these pins in my PT2s and there is a noticeable increase in air flow. If this is something that you are looking for this will help you out. Even with the V2 air flow controls the increase was quite noticeable.
If you would like to try this though, rather than buying stock Kanger heads try the parts from Lightning Vapes. They carry the complete head (no coil or wick) or you can purchase the parts individually just like the PT2 parts.
Now its 3 cents!
I am enjoying rebuilding my Kanger coils. I don't know, prob will, in the future pick up an RBA but this is too easy. The dc heads I rebuild into a single coil. It's a challenge sometimes to get the wicking right so it won't flood but.....it works for me. I really believe the whole reason Kanger and Aspire went to the enclosed heads was because we are rebuilding heads. I'll stick with the old heads and rebuild or move up to an RBA. But they're soo big and would look stupid on a smallish mod. That my 5c 
As a side note to my previous post, while using the V1 dual coil heads I did notice that the bore in the positive post pin was a larger diameter than the PT2s.
I have used these pins in my PT2s and there is a noticeable increase in air flow. If this is something that you are looking for this will help you out. Even with the V2 air flow controls the increase was quite noticeable.
If you would like to try this though, rather than buying stock Kanger heads try the parts from Lightning Vapes. They carry the complete head (no coil or wick) or you can purchase the parts individually just like the PT2 parts.
Now its 3 cents!
Good observation overshadowed by the aero base (highly recommended) and I'll be writing more on this shortly. As you noted, the pin borehole is oversized. And so is the overall outside diameter of the pin shaft. If ever so slightly. But I can't begin to tell you how much stability this yields to termination and resistance. They still do skew if you torsion the tank too firmly. And the grommet's just as susceptible to getting chewed up by an awkward lead end (unpredictable and unmanageable) despite it. It happens. These two things though add up to a winning combination justifying flushing the original. A seemingly small detail that can yield big results.
Thanks crg for bringing it up!
Good luck.
p.s. I should note that these are the pins earlier being referred to from LV.
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Always enjoy this thread because most of the peeps in here are very smart and have the gift of gab. Even when I am not here for a problem to be solved I read this thread and devour the information. Yeah Ok maybe I have to re-read a lot because I am in over my head and out of my league as far as the smarts around me but it is enjoyable to check in daily.
Thanks Mac for the great thread~
Thanks Mac for the great thread~
I feel honor bound and obligated to keep up the flow now that my friend Wally, the OP, has found richer horizons elsewhere and not by choice. Thanks to his gracious understanding, support and encouragement along with a few others, this place became a comfortable oasis of focus for the concept of what is possible to do with a Kanger ProTank.
We can all figure out how to muck it up ourselves later.
Good luck.
Looks like I'm going to rebuild my brother's mini pt3 coil based on what I've read. May need to show him how to rewick them. I gave him a couple pt2 minis with tmc and Nextel since it could be fuss free and he just started on the vaping trail and wanted to help him get started... and convince him to learn to rebuild as I only gave him 2 that I rebuilt and the rest are sick coils 
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I like that!
It's all good about all that other stuff too.
Good luck.
Lol. Didn't even realize. I meant stock coils.... hah!
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A Since I've Been Here Post!
I haven't been a member of ECF for very long, but I have learned a lot! Thanks to chats with Mac and a lot of reading. I was rebuilding coils at that time but they were all over the place in regards to resistance and looked like Kanger built them.
Since following this thread mainly and reading through others I use the techniques from here across the board because how you build coils is relevant to all devices!
I have several PT2s, a GP Spheroid, a KFL+ V2 and a Russian 91% V2 that I have applied this too.
My preference for all of my devices is a 1.5 ohm coil. I seem to get the best vape with it and I don't need to run a high wattage to get great flavor. I usually run between 9.5 and 10.5 watts on all of them.
Airflow, I have found is also crucial when it comes to flavor and is also important to the life of your coil. Due to the fact it is used to cool your coil, to little flow and you will gunk up your coil before the wick goes bad, to much airflow and you lose flavor ( at least IMHO ).
When I started here I was still using silica as a wicking material and very quickly went to organic cotton and then to rayon. I'm still playing with rayon, but am not 100% convinced.
My coil builds are more consistent now as the pics will show. So I thought I would put this post up for newer people so they know anything is possible! Ask questions and remember there is never a dumb question, only dumb answers!
First PT2 coils after following Mac, 6/5 wrap, 30 gauge A1, 1/16 I.D. and 1.5 ohm.
GP Spheroid, same build as above.
Russian 91%, 9/8 wrap, 28 gauge A1, 2mm I.D. and 1.5 ohm.
Needing more coil to wick coverage, new PT2 builds 11/10 wrap, 28 gauge, 1/16 I.D. and 1.5 ohm. Thanks Mac!
Just showing what we learn here is relevant to all. I hope you didn't mind me taking up so much space!
I haven't been a member of ECF for very long, but I have learned a lot! Thanks to chats with Mac and a lot of reading. I was rebuilding coils at that time but they were all over the place in regards to resistance and looked like Kanger built them.
Since following this thread mainly and reading through others I use the techniques from here across the board because how you build coils is relevant to all devices!
I have several PT2s, a GP Spheroid, a KFL+ V2 and a Russian 91% V2 that I have applied this too.
My preference for all of my devices is a 1.5 ohm coil. I seem to get the best vape with it and I don't need to run a high wattage to get great flavor. I usually run between 9.5 and 10.5 watts on all of them.
Airflow, I have found is also crucial when it comes to flavor and is also important to the life of your coil. Due to the fact it is used to cool your coil, to little flow and you will gunk up your coil before the wick goes bad, to much airflow and you lose flavor ( at least IMHO ).
When I started here I was still using silica as a wicking material and very quickly went to organic cotton and then to rayon. I'm still playing with rayon, but am not 100% convinced.
My coil builds are more consistent now as the pics will show. So I thought I would put this post up for newer people so they know anything is possible! Ask questions and remember there is never a dumb question, only dumb answers!
First PT2 coils after following Mac, 6/5 wrap, 30 gauge A1, 1/16 I.D. and 1.5 ohm.
GP Spheroid, same build as above.
Russian 91%, 9/8 wrap, 28 gauge A1, 2mm I.D. and 1.5 ohm.
Needing more coil to wick coverage, new PT2 builds 11/10 wrap, 28 gauge, 1/16 I.D. and 1.5 ohm. Thanks Mac!
Just showing what we learn here is relevant to all. I hope you didn't mind me taking up so much space!
Good observation overshadowed by the aero base (highly recommended) and I'll be writing more on this shortly. As you noted, the pin borehole is oversized. And so is the overall outside diameter of the pin shaft. If ever so slightly. But I can't begin to tell you how much stability this yields to termination and resistance. They still do skew if you torsion the tank too firmly. And the grommet's just as susceptible to getting chewed up by an awkward lead end (unpredictable and unmanageable) despite it. It happens. These two things though add up to a winning combination justifying flushing the original. A seemingly small detail that can yield big results.
Thanks crg for bringing it up!
Good luck.
p.s. I should note that these are the pins earlier being referred to from LV.
Mac, i re-build pt2's and aerotank coils ( as a single ). I accidentally put one of the aero pins in a pt2 coil and i got a 9.9 reading in my pv's. I couldn't figure out why for the longest time until i was trying to rebuild my aero coils and realized i'm one pin short, and it dawned on me that i could've used it in a pt2 coil by mistake. Must've been a one-off since crg and you use these pins all the time
Mac, i re-build pt2's and aerotank coils ( as a single ). I accidentally put one of the aero pins in a pt2 coil and i got a 9.9 reading in my pv's. I couldn't figure out why for the longest time until i was trying to rebuild my aero coils and realized i'm one pin short, and it dawned on me that i could've used it in a pt2 coil by mistake. Must've been a one-off since crg and you use these pins all the time
Could be a popped coil Maz. Did it break in half when you removed it? Had that happen to me today after a dry burn. 9.9 ohm consistent reading. Took it apart to rebuild and it fell apart. Dirty (juicey) parts from flooding issues can cause elevated resistance readings as well.
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A Since I've Been Here Post!
I haven't been a member of ECF for very long, but I have learned a lot! Thanks to chats with Mac and a lot of reading. I was rebuilding coils at that time but they were all over the place in regards to resistance and looked like Kanger built them.
Since following this thread mainly and reading through others I use the techniques from here across the board because how you build coils is relevant to all devices!
I have several PT2s, a GP Spheroid, a KFL+ V2 and a Russian 91% V2 that I have applied this too.
My preference for all of my devices is a 1.5 ohm coil. I seem to get the best vape with it and I don't need to run a high wattage to get great flavor. I usually run between 9.5 and 10.5 watts on all of them.
Airflow, I have found is also crucial when it comes to flavor and is also important to the life of your coil. Due to the fact it is used to cool your coil, to little flow and you will gunk up your coil before the wick goes bad, to much airflow and you lose flavor ( at least IMHO ).
When I started here I was still using silica as a wicking material and very quickly went to organic cotton and then to rayon. I'm still playing with rayon, but am not 100% convinced.
My coil builds are more consistent now as the pics will show. So I thought I would put this post up for newer people so they know anything is possible! Ask questions and remember there is never a dumb question, only dumb answers!
First PT2 coils after following Mac, 6/5 wrap, 30 gauge A1, 1/16 I.D. and 1.5 ohm.
GP Spheroid, same build as above.
Russian 91%, 9/8 wrap, 28 gauge A1, 2mm I.D. and 1.5 ohm.
Needing more coil to wick coverage, new PT2 builds 11/10 wrap, 28 gauge, 1/16 I.D. and 1.5 ohm. Thanks Mac!
Just showing what we learn here is relevant to all. I hope you didn't mind me taking up so much space!
Nice piece of work crg. Just goes to show that what you pick up here translates nicely anywhere you take it.
Couldn't be happier to see it.
Congratz.
Could be a popped coil Maz. Did it break in half when you removed it? Had that happen to me today after a dry burn. 9.9 ohm consistent reading. Took it apart to rebuild and it fell apart. Dirty (juicey) parts from flooding issues can cause elevated resistance readings as well.
i changed the pin and it was fine. The aero pin wasn't making contact with the air-flow base ?
Mac, i re-build pt2's and aerotank coils ( as a single ). I accidentally put one of the aero pins in a pt2 coil and i got a 9.9 reading in my pv's. I couldn't figure out why for the longest time until i was trying to rebuild my aero coils and realized i'm one pin short, and it dawned on me that i could've used it in a pt2 coil by mistake. Must've been a one-off since crg and you use these pins all the time
Maz I've used a variety of pins from Kanger, mixed on devices, from Smok and completely different vendors on the KPT. Have never found much variation. The exception being what I mentioned before with the LV pins. These are measurably different.
Speaking of grommets, since the advent of firmer ones by LV most skew, etc. problems I'd been experiencing with the soft silicone have been replaced by the occasional "no load". This is still a problem as it's a 510 connection after all. The specs are not always uniform and some pins protrude more than others. If the length were as consistent as the shaft diameter we'd never see it at all. When this happens you can pop a neg hanger and experience the notorious "no load" symptom. You'll know when you back off the tank a bit and it works fine. Check it on your next fill and trim as needed.
As cig notes, you'll def experience one if you do pop a coil. I've only had it happen once and probably due to a short at the 510 I failed to see during a dry burn.
Now looking at these current vintage Aero's, they both came outfitted with silicone. The composition seems somewhat different. And these don't seem to compress quite as much as what I'd previously observed earlier this year. I'm wondering what you all are seeing out there on the newer tanks and Mega's. Let us know about any seating difficulties.
Good luck.
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