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[monkkx]

Gents, calm down, get a beer and sort out your personal issues in PM ... Make sure it ends with some hugs this conversation could be actually interesting if no ego where involved.

 

[jailman]

What a bad discussion!
I have an important question, Imeo. If I have your titanium wire, how much coils I have to make for a Penelope on the Proteus?

 

[imeothanasis]

What a bad discussion!
I have an important question, Imeo. If I have your titanium wire, how much coils I have to make for a Penelope on the Proteus?

The usual Jail. But if you ask me about the less threads you can make, its about 9 threads with 0,35 mm wire and 6 threads with a 0,3mm wire

 

[blackwater]

Can someone let me know where to buy titanium wire in USA. Also what's the acceptable wick these days and where to buy. I've been out of this game for awhile and am not up on the latest healthy stuff. Proteus is going to get me off butts again I hope. I didn't know if this was the thread to post in.

Thanks

 

[imeothanasis]

Gents, calm down, get a beer and sort out your personal issues in PM ... Make sure it ends with some hugs this conversation could be actually interesting if no ego where involved.

I didnt start this and I plan to not continue it Monk. Seek doesnt like Proteus, doesnt like my answers, doesnt like me in general. He likes more his hardware and maybe its maker. Its ok. I respect this.

ok, let me explain in simple words about initial value of temp control. Initial value is the most important thing on temp control issue. If the initial value is wrong then the whole thing will go wrong. Also, changing-calibrating the initial value is wrong too. Initial value has to always stay the same. What Proteus do about this? It inspects the resistance for some time and it understands things about the width of the wire, the kind of the wire (before I remove the feature that Proteus was identifying the wire), the length of the wire etc. I dont want to say more about this because I did it in past a lot of times and the same amount of times I got stolen.

Anyway, after all the checking, Proteus knows EXACTLY what the resistance of the wire is at 20 Celsius degrees even if the environment is cold or hot. So it keeps this value and goes on with it ALWAYS. It doesnt try to find the right value all the time because Proteus knows it from the beginning. Thats why Proteus needs 1 min to identify a cold wire but it vapes always on the right temp, in all environments and ALWAYS the same.

 

[imeothanasis]

Can someone let me know where to buy titanium wire in USA. Also what's the acceptable wick these days and where to buy. I've been out of this game for awhile and am not up on the latest healthy stuff. Proteus is going to get me off butts again I hope. I didn't know if this was the thread to post in.

Thanks

I use cotton bacon bits Black. As for Ti, I dont know about USA but in Europe, GG Spain and GG Italy carry my Ti wire

 

[Froy]

2 days using Proteus, works perfect! There is no mod on the market now that works like Proteus.
I have test and use all the chips available at the moment, and yes they are TC, but Proteus is not a TC device, Proteus is a STC device.

STC (Smart Temperature Control)

Imeo please don´t argue, do what you do best , innovate!

 

[imeothanasis]

I am glad you like it Froy! It seems that I didnt spend 4 years just for fun. Thank you buddy!!

 

[Froy]

I am glad you like it Froy! It seems that I didnt spend 4 years just for fun. Thank you buddy!!

You have spend 4 years for the first STC on the market who wants only a TC when you can get a STC.....

 

[imeothanasis]

Sure Froy. And the first electromechanical e-cig around!!

 

[Lo zio]

Hey, I didn't mean to start any argument here. If somebody needs more power or greater battery life Proteus is obviously not the right choice, that's a fact, and it's up to everyone's choice.

Lo Zio, all my experiments on VIR are made on a Tilemahos and a Penelope. They both worked exellent. I also used both Tilemahos and Penelope on another 2 TC mods and they work as they have to work. So, when you say that Tilemahos doesnt wotk on a TC, you mean that has different behavior from other atomizers or you just see the resistance on the screen changing?

What happens is the beahviour changes suddendly, with full tank, not even touching liquid control or anything. A moment you're vaping fine without any TC kicking in (i.e basically working on temperature limitation), then you pick it up again (even after say 20 minutes, with cold atomizer) and you experience drastic regulation by the circuit. To me this is a sign of something wrong, unfortunately this happens with many atomizers out there, while fewer are very stable and provide a really good experience.
Allowing the Tilemahos to cool down and measuring the resistance shows appreciable variance in the resistance value, the very same happens by operating the juice control, not to mention replacing the cotton
Thus my conclusion was that -for some reason I cannot identify- the resistance is not stable while vaping (and I don't mean the resistance increasing because it gets hot, I mean letting it cool down, it changes every time I measure it), which is a biiiiiiig issue.
Experience with SS 316 L (which yes, might not be the best wire for TC or at least a difficult one) and Resistherm, which is a NiFe alloy, I believe, with high TCR and appreciable restivity unlike Ni200 which I prefer not to use.

That's my point. My thought was that I could run into the same issue with the Penny V4 mini, which is basically the same construction as the Tilemahos. Anyway, I believe we'll see when Proteus arrives, eventually I'll measure temperatures at the coil to see what happens.
I'm happy to see it's finally out; yes, it's a bit outdated now (or it seems, at least) but 14500 mods out there are rare anyway and do not provide any TC, so... let's see!

 

[monkkx]

Hey, I didn't mean to start any argument here. If somebody needs more power or greater battery life Proteus is obviously not the right choice, that's a fact, and it's up to everyone's choice.

I think one of the main source of misunderstanding is POWER there's no watts mode on proteus, just a temperature setting. So power is somehow irrelevant since VIR is designed to heat the coil at the defined temperature all the time. Power adjustment of course happens in the background, but it's transparent and irrelevant to end user. There's enough power since proteus can heat up to 280 celcius which is the hottest safe temperature. There's no need of more power, as long as the resistance and wire thickness are as per VIR recommendations ...
That's my understanding of VIR concept. I've never tested it though, so can't comment on the actual user experience compared to other chips. And if I'm wrong, I trust Imeo to go ballistic on me

For the battery life however, you are right: 1450 is limited, and some might need spare batteries to vape all day.

 

[proteckt3d]

Any plans so far for PBusardo to make a video on Proteus, or any other reviewers for that matter which can give a good in depth description for example Obi or Daniel -djlsb vapes- here in Europe

 

[soulseek]

Hey, I didn't mean to start any argument here. If somebody needs more power or greater battery life Proteus is obviously not the right choice, that's a fact, and it's up to everyone's choice.



What happens is the beahviour changes suddendly, with full tank, not even touching liquid control or anything. A moment you're vaping fine without any TC kicking in (i.e basically working on temperature limitation), then you pick it up again (even after say 20 minutes, with cold atomizer) and you experience drastic regulation by the circuit. To me this is a sign of something wrong, unfortunately this happens with many atomizers out there, while fewer are very stable and provide a really good experience.
Allowing the Tilemahos to cool down and measuring the resistance shows appreciable variance in the resistance value, the very same happens by operating the juice control, not to mention replacing the cotton
Thus my conclusion was that -for some reason I cannot identify- the resistance is not stable while vaping (and I don't mean the resistance increasing because it gets hot, I mean letting it cool down, it changes every time I measure it), which is a biiiiiiig issue.
Experience with SS 316 L (which yes, might not be the best wire for TC or at least a difficult one) and Resistherm, which is a NiFe alloy, I believe, with high TCR and appreciable restivity unlike Ni200 which I prefer not to use.

That's my point. My thought was that I could run into the same issue with the Penny V4 mini, which is basically the same construction as the Tilemahos. Anyway, I believe we'll see when Proteus arrives, eventually I'll measure temperatures at the coil to see what happens.
I'm happy to see it's finally out; yes, it's a bit outdated now (or it seems, at least) but 14500 mods out there are rare anyway and do not provide any TC, so... let's see!

Lo zio try connecting it on a TC mod with a stable pin, not an adjustable pin. The problem is there's a spring in the 510 connector and all those o-rings between the base and the rebuildable are also acting like a "spring. The result is that the atomiser doesn't have a stable connection internally and the resistance keeps fluctuating. Either use a mod with a stable 510 pin, or a really stiff spring or simply screw the rebuildable on to the base very very hard.

 

[imeothanasis]

Hey, I didn't mean to start any argument here. If somebody needs more power or greater battery life Proteus is obviously not the right choice, that's a fact, and it's up to everyone's choice.



What happens is the beahviour changes suddendly, with full tank, not even touching liquid control or anything. A moment you're vaping fine without any TC kicking in (i.e basically working on temperature limitation), then you pick it up again (even after say 20 minutes, with cold atomizer) and you experience drastic regulation by the circuit. To me this is a sign of something wrong, unfortunately this happens with many atomizers out there, while fewer are very stable and provide a really good experience.
Allowing the Tilemahos to cool down and measuring the resistance shows appreciable variance in the resistance value, the very same happens by operating the juice control, not to mention replacing the cotton
Thus my conclusion was that -for some reason I cannot identify- the resistance is not stable while vaping (and I don't mean the resistance increasing because it gets hot, I mean letting it cool down, it changes every time I measure it), which is a biiiiiiig issue.
Experience with SS 316 L (which yes, might not be the best wire for TC or at least a difficult one) and Resistherm, which is a NiFe alloy, I believe, with high TCR and appreciable restivity unlike Ni200 which I prefer not to use.

That's my point. My thought was that I could run into the same issue with the Penny V4 mini, which is basically the same construction as the Tilemahos. Anyway, I believe we'll see when Proteus arrives, eventually I'll measure temperatures at the coil to see what happens.
I'm happy to see it's finally out; yes, it's a bit outdated now (or it seems, at least) but 14500 mods out there are rare anyway and do not provide any TC, so... let's see!

What I like on Proteus and VIR is that its not only in date but steps in front of other electronics. Why? It has features that others cant imagine, like wireless style and the most important is the automatically function of recognizing the resistance even if its hot, and vaping the same on all enviroments. A very hign end technology that the rest of the indystry is still searching. And the most important on temp control is the initial value. The rest are easy.
We are in front of our ages Lo Zio as usual. I only worry that people may not understand the innovation quickly.

 

[imeothanasis]

I think one of the main source of misunderstanding is POWER there's no watts mode on proteus, just a temperature setting. So power is somehow irrelevant since VIR is designed to heat the coil at the defined temperature all the time. Power adjustment of course happens in the background, but it's transparent and irrelevant to end user. There's enough power since proteus can heat up to 280 celcius which is the hottest safe temperature. There's no need of more power, as long as the resistance and wire thickness are as per VIR recommendations ...
That's my understanding of VIR concept. I've never tested it though, so can't comment on the actual user experience compared to other chips. And if I'm wrong, I trust Imeo to go ballistic on me

For the battery life however, you are right: 1450 is limited, and some might need spare batteries to vape all day.

You are absolutely right Monk. Adjusting the power (watts) is simply useless. You force the user to do one more adjustment without any reason. Thats exactly what I was talking with Busardo the other day. He was wondering what the reason behind adjusting watts. I will tell you: None. The user sets the temp and vapes. Simple and nice on Proteus with an easy menu that doesnt confuse anyone

 

[imeothanasis]

Any plans so far for PBusardo to make a video on Proteus, or any other reviewers for that matter which can give a good in depth description for example Obi or Daniel -djlsb vapes- here in Europe

sure protect. I will do it soon. I think Busardo will appreciate a lot the power but the simplicity too of VIR and of course the fact that resistance has always the right value in any circumstance.

 

[Sad Society]

You are absolutely right Monk. Adjusting the power (watts) is simply useless. You force the user to do one more adjustment without any reason. Thats exactly what I was talking with Busardo the other day. He was wondering what the reason behind adjusting watts. I will tell you: None. The user sets the temp and vapes. Simple and nice on Proteus with an easy menu that doesnt confuse anyone

I always wondered about TC with Wattage adjustment. Seems more like Temperature Limitation to me.

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[Lo zio]

I think one of the main source of misunderstanding is POWER there's no watts mode on proteus, just a temperature setting.
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There's no need of more power, as long as the resistance and wire thickness are as per VIR recommendations ...

Yup, I know. I meant it's not suited for people who build fancy fuseddoubletripletwistedclapton whatsoever coils; in that case yes, you need a lot more power than available with VIR.
IAnd then...look somewhere else, but it's pretty obvious, I would say.
Not an issue of mine, I build simple space coils, I'm lazy.

For the battery life however, you are right: 1450 is limited, and some might need spare batteries to vape all day.

Yeah well, than again, it's a vey small mod, I think it's not battery life what we are looking for, here. Me personally wanted a small mod I could show up with in certain situations and I still want. I'll swap batteries, not a big issue.

wireless style

This is very cool, indeed!

And the most important on temp control is the initial value. The rest are easy.

Yeah, now what I don't really understand. If there's an issue of unstable connections then the resistance value while vaping is changing because of the wire's properties and because of these unknown factors - what happens?
To my experience it's inconsistencies, being it dry hits or at the oppsite an invasive power modulation.
What am I missing here?

I always wondered about TC with Wattage adjustment. Seems more like Temperature Limitation to me.

Yeah, definitely it is.
And... at least with the circuits I tried this is what I want to have. I mean it's cool if the mod mantains a certain treshold T, but.... You feel it while vaping, it's a big coitus interruptus. In these cases to me the setup should be corrected: if you set the same T and the TC doesn't kick in unless the wick is getting dry... well, I vape fine, the T I don't want to exceed is not excedeed...fine!
Others tend to aim to this situation of constant power modulation when building their atomizers, it's a matter of taste.

VIR promises something else and, hey, I'm in, let's see!

Lo zio try connecting it on a TC mod with a stable pin, not an adjustable pin. The problem is there's a spring in the 510 connector and all those o-rings between the base and the rebuildable are also acting like a "spring. The result is that the atomiser doesn't have a stable connection internally and the resistance keeps fluctuating. Either use a mod with a stable 510 pin, or a really stiff spring or simply screw the rebuildable on to the base very very hard.

I tried with several mods, it was always the same. All have adjustable pins, yes. The one I have now has one, too, indeed. Anyway, there are atomizers around keeping a very steady resistance value, even with adjustable pins.
I suppose the spring in Proteus is regarded as stiff enough to prevent such issues?

 

[blackwater]

Will proteus come with mechanical bottom button as well?


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