Provari on an Oscope vs Vamo

[junkman]

Yeah, Im a troll.

Im not the one trying to have a discussion about taste especially when yours is questionable to begin with.

Its alright, really, no need to get upset.Some people like pink flamingos, leopard prints, big-haired bubble-gum-chewing waitresses with blue eye shadow and black velvet Elvis pictures on the wall.

Its okay, we still love you man....but this isnt a conversation that were ever going to see eye-to-eye on. Some peoples tastes are just more refined than others.

So, what you are saying I suppose, is that unlike PlanofMan's belief that trying a provari would convince me of it's superior taste and smoothness, you believe that only those possessing refined tastes such as yourself could appreciate the difference?

Or is this just an example of if logic fails, just resort to attempts to insult?

 

[Day]

This is the guy that claims he tastes hot juice/cold juice 37 times a second junkman. I wouldn't put too much stock in what he is saying to you. Attempting to insult someone's PV based on price point is silly. Almost as silly as this whole thread... and the undertone of your PV was 30 bucks so it must be garbage just keeps coming up. Don't you guys think there's a ton of other variables that would cause your provari to work better than a Vamo? You really think this is the main difference? I say it makes no diff 37 times a second or 800 times, until I see the coil temp monitored and fluctuate, this whole thing is kind of absurd. You don't need to justify your PV this hard I don't think.

 

[GrimmTech]

While it may seem logical to you, it doesn't to me because: When using the same RBA on my Vamo or my Mechanical at the same voltage, there is no difference in sound, taste or smoothness. If using a provari could provide more smoothness then a vamo, then the mechanical should as well, as the mechanical is direct current and therefore if anything should be smoother than the provari.

I cant comment on the RBA of the two devices. Im only comparing them using a carto for flavor. The only RBA I have is a Z atty Pro. It will not fit on my vamo without an adapter. The only adapter I have is for use with a bottom feeder type setup and the center (positve terminal) pin rides in the hole not making connection. I can only comment on what I have experience with. If all you ever vape is an RBA type genesis atty then you may very well never taste a difference and a Provari for you would never seem sensible unless you just wanted a higher quality more reliable mod like I did. With your current setup you cant see a difference and I respect that. Just as you should respect that I can on what I'm using.

Grimm

 

[CountSmackula]

You have an RBA on top of a Vamo?

Im sorry I know I shouldnt laugh but your RBA likely cost more than your PV. Just seems backwards to me.

Only thing funnier would be an RBA atop a Twist, its almost the same price point.

Are you just being obtuse on purpose? I use Chids on my Twists & they perform admirably... way better that the ce2s I had been using. I use Chobras on my 'Vari, MVP, Vamo, MadVapes VV box mod, and Tox - and again they provide a taste as clean as direct dripping. I'll also use my AGAs, AGA-Ts, & AGA-T2s on my 'Vari, my EA (Kicked or not), the Vamo, the MVP and the deplorable Tox... all of which provide a tremendous vaping experience. I have a Cobra on the way, so in a few days I'll be able to decide if a 'top shelf' RBA is that much better than my many Chi-Gennys.

Personally, I think you're coming off as a 'tool bag'. (Both a Tool AND a Douche Bag.) But that's just my subjective opinion. YMMV.

 

[Koman]

This is the guy that claims he tastes hot juice/cold juice 37 times a second junkman. I wouldn't put too much stock in what he is saying to you. Attempting to insult someone's PV based on price point is silly. Almost as silly as this whole thread... and the undertone of your PV was 30 bucks so it must be garbage just keeps coming up. Don't you guys think there's a ton of other variables that would cause your provari to work better than a Vamo? You really think this is the main difference? I say it makes no diff 37 times a second or 800 times, until I see the coil temp monitored and fluctuate, this whole thing is kind of absurd. You don't need to justify your PV this hard I don't think.

TOtally agreed with that, mate!

 

[PLANofMAN]

So, what you are saying I suppose, is that unlike PlanofMan's belief that trying a provari would convince me of it's superior taste and smoothness, you believe that only those possessing refined tastes such as yourself could appreciate the difference?

Or is this just an example of if logic fails, just resort to attempts to insult?

I didn't say that it would, I just said that it might. Unless I said that it really would earlier in the thread, in which case you are entirely correct.
Carry on.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Here is the Vamo firing at 3v. 3 squares up from center is 6v and center line is 0v. Notice that is 50% on and 50% off.
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Here is a firing at 4.5v Notice the time up is about 75% now.
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Here is the Vamo at 6. It hardly has any down time at all.
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Now the ProV at 3v.
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and at 6v.
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This is the guy that claims he tastes hot juice/cold juice 37 times a second junkman. I wouldn't put too much stock in what he is saying to you. Attempting to insult someone's PV based on price point is silly. Almost as silly as this whole thread... and the undertone of your PV was 30 bucks so it must be garbage just keeps coming up. Don't you guys think there's a ton of other variables that would cause your provari to work better than a Vamo? You really think this is the main difference? I say it makes no diff 37 times a second or 800 times, until I see the coil temp monitored and fluctuate, this whole thing is kind of absurd. You don't need to justify your PV this hard I don't think.

See the top two pictures? Draw little imaginary arrows to the top line and the bottom line. Then write imaginary little words next to those arrows. Label the top one "Hot" and the bottom one "Cold" Then write above each picture "COIL TEMPERATURE."

After careful consideration, I'll even admit that the Vamo vapes better than the Provari. But only at 6 volts. But I don't vape higher than 4.3 unless I have an RBA on it, so I guess I just have to miss that one perfect vape from the Vamo 95% of the time.

 

[junkman]

But then you would be mislabling the data and drawing erroneous conclusions based on failed understanding of the imaginary lines.

 

[Day]

But then you would be mislabling the data and drawing erroneous conclusions based on failed understanding of the imaginary lines.

Exactly. Theres a big misunderstanding in this thread ever since page one that those lines equate to temperature, when in reality it's just how their AVG voltage works. Those lines PlanofMan is pointing out to me are voltage, not temperature and they are cycling at 37 times a second... now think for a minute how metal reacts to heat, consider a piece of silverware you touch to a hot eye on a stove... does it immediately jump up to the temperature of the eye or does it gradually get hotter? Same thing for cooling off... There's no way the coil is bouncing temperature all over the place 37 times a second. That's why several of us are stating that 37 times is sufficient... and until I see temperature readouts fluctuating all over the place I'm inclined to continue believing this.

 

[PLANofMAN]

But then you would be mislabling the data and drawing erroneous conclusions based on failed understanding of the imaginary lines.

Electricity + Resistance = Heat.
I'm not sure I can make it any simpler. Oh wait! I can!

If you have an electric range, turn it on. get a pot, fill it it with room temperature water. Set it on the coil. lift it off of the coil. Set it on the coil. Notice how it goes from orange to black and back again? No. Try it again, this time with your eyes open.

A better experiment would be to splash water on the coil, but I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

 

[Day]

Electricity + Resistance = Heat.
I'm not sure I can make it any simpler. Oh wait! I can!

If you have an electric range, turn it on. get a pot, fill it it with room temperature water. Set it on the coil. lift it off of the coil. Set it on the coil. Notice how it goes from orange to black and back again? No. Try it again, this time with your eyes open.

A better experiment would be to splash water on the coil, but I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

You analogy would fit your argument better if the water in the pot instantly got hot every time you set it down. Or if you could humanly do anything 37 times a second.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Exactly. Theres a big misunderstanding in this thread ever since page one that those lines equate to temperature, when in reality it's just how their AVG voltage works. Those lines PlanofMan is pointing out to me are voltage, not temperature and they are cycling at 37 times a second... now think for a minute how metal reacts to heat, consider a piece of silverware you touch to a hot eye on a stove... does it immediately jump up to the temperature of the eye or does it gradually get hotter? Same thing for cooling off... There's no way the coil is bouncing temperature all over the place 37 times a second. That's why several of us are stating that 37 times is sufficient... and until I see temperature readouts fluctuating all over the place I'm inclined to continue believing this.

Gaah! Nobody is saying that 37 times a second is not sufficient. What people are saying, is that 800 times a second is better! The eliquid cools the wires so fast as to be instantaneous, otherwise you would see a red glow from the coil. So yes, there must be a difference.
"There's no way the coil is bouncing temperature all over the place 37 times a second." Prove it.

 

[Stephenst4470]

This whole argument is ridiculous, the Vamo is at 6v for less than 3 hundredths of a second per pulse, this is far faster then the thermal reactivity of the Kanthal wire. The idea that wire temp could/would spike is nonsensical. A remedial course in physics would probably be of benefit here...
I do have a Vamo and 2 Provaris, btw, and there is no difference in "taste" on either PV, to think otherwise is silly beyong belief. I do also us my "high end" Cobra atomizer on my Vamo's quite often, as well as using my "low end" Aga-T+'s on my Provaris.
Trying to make statements that indicate your choice of PV or atomizer make you higher class or more refined somehow just makes you a toolbag, it seems like you are trying to compensate for something...
Some of the people on here really have no business providing advice...

 

[Day]

You are the one stating it makes a difference so the burden of proof lies on you my friend. If I had access to a some kind of super digital thermometer that could read up to 800 cycles a second I would love to. If 800 is better then clearly direct current must be some kind of magical vaping holy grail, or is it possible the difference is negligible after a certain number of cycles per second? I'm no scientist but would be really surprised, (and stand corrected), if anything over 10 cycles a second made any kind of actual impact on the temp of the coil/production of vapor.

 

[Day]

This whole argument is ridiculous, the Vamo is at 6v for less than 3 hundredths of a second per pulse, this is far faster then the thermal reactivity of the Kanthal wire. The idea that wire temp could/would spike is nonsensical. A remedial course in physics would probably be of benefit here...
I do have a Vamo and 2 Provaris, btw, and there is no difference in "taste" on either PV, to think otherwise is silly beyong belief. I do also us my "high end" Cobra atomizer on my Vamo's quite often, as well as using my "low end" Aga-T+'s on my Provaris.
Trying to make statements that indicate your choice of PV or atomizer make you higher class or more refined somehow just makes you a toolbag, it seems like you are trying to compensate for something...
Some of the people on here really have no business providing advice...

Amen sir, well said.

 

[Stephenst4470]

Gaah! Nobody is saying that 37 times a second is not sufficient. What people are saying, is that 800 times a second is better! The eliquid cools the wires so fast as to be instantaneous, otherwise you would see a red glow from the coil. So yes, there must be a difference.
"There's no way the coil is bouncing temperature all over the place 37 times a second." Prove it.

The eliquid actually stabilizes the coil temp. The coils don't get red hot and then are quenched by eliquid in 3 hundredths of a second. You don't see a red glow from the coils because the eliquid is stabilizing the coil temp and they never get that hot. Much like the cooling system in your car stabilizes your engine temperature at @195 degrees. He doesn't have to prove it, physics proves it. Your argument is ludicrous, it's almost like you are jamming your fingers in your ears while yelling "the earth is flat, the earth is flat."
In the pan analogy, the pan actually heat sinks and stabilizes the burner temp, btw. That's why when you pich the pan up you will notice the coils get hotter, and glow brighter.
High shool science must be something in Oregon...

 

[lettucehead]

You know, I'm actually known in RL as being a very gentle person.

I work in Hospice and it's not just nice people who need end-of-life care - everybody dies. Even mean people!
So being gentle and tolerant of other viewpoints and opinions is almost mandatory for what I do.

That being said...

You guys are cracking me up...

It's like watching a contest between people to see who can bang their heads against a brick wall the longest...

 

[CountSmackula]

But it feels so much better when you stop.

 

[PLANofMAN]

The eliquid actually stabilizes the coil temp. The coils don't get red hot and then are quenched by eliquid in 3 hundredths of a second. You don't see a red glow from the coils because the eliquid is stabilizing the coil temp and they never get that hot. Much like the cooling system in your car stabilizes your engine temperature at @195 degrees. He doesn't have to prove it, physics proves it. Your argument is ludicrous, it's almost like you are jamming your fingers in your ears while yelling "the earth is flat, the earth is flat."
In the pan analogy, the pan actually heat sinks and stabilizes the burner temp, btw. That's why when you pich the pan up you will notice the coils get hotter, and glow brighter.
High shool science must be something in Oregon...

It's "school" not "shool" and what's this about the world not being flat?

 

[lettucehead]

It's "school" not "shool" and what's this about the world not being flat?

"My old shool (sp) house"
Megamind