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That comment was more of a general statement about all the comments about the Provari being expensive. I just didn't split it up into two posts.
The thing about "warranty": They have a one year warranty unless you buy an additional year for $25. However in theory you will still be able to send your Provari to Provape for repairs/upgrades 10 years from now. (for a fee)
I don't have a ton of experience to offer but the first serious device I bought was the Provari and I definitely do not regret it. Works great with everything I've tried on it, operation is simple once you play with it for a little bit, and battery life with the extension cap and 18650 battery is terrific. All things considered I love mine and it works perfectly.
No one has said anything about Provape offering a lifetime warranty, so I don't know where you are getting that from. The Provari has a 1 year warranty. At time of purchase, you are given the option to buy another year warranty on top of that if you want it. After the warranty expires, Provape will continue to service a Provari that needs repair, at owner's cost, for already published prices item for item. No Chinese manufactured PV offers that; in fact, once an out of warranty PV from China requires repair consider it a throwaway because no one repairs them.
Provape has a logical reason to not offer a OLED screen, and why it chose to use a one button control for the different modes. OLED screens have a shorter lifespan and is less durable than a LED, so in the long run the LED is a more pratical choice. The one button design means less parts to possibly fail and is also more durable than a 3-button control. The one-button control is actually quite easy to learn and work. I mastered it in about 10 minutes of playing around with it. You don't have to count how many clicks to find the mode you want - just press and hold and it scrolls thru each mode. Nothing difficult about it at all, a monkey can learn it.
Provape probably has not added variable wattage to the Provari for a reason. You can get to the same place with variable voltage as you can with variable wattage, it's just a different route. I'm seeing more and more people that chose a PV that has variable wattage who say that they rarely use it, that they still continue to use the variable voltage mode to find their "sweet spot". So, maybe it's becoming more clear that variable wattage is not such a dealbreaker as many were touting it to be when it first came out.
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Show me where you can easily acquire a DNA20 mod?
You can order a Provari and it will be shipped out the next day, and likely be in your mailbox 3-4 days later.
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For those saying that a Provari will cost you $200 is a falacy. A bare-bones Provari costs $160. A slightly blemished Provari is brand new, carries the same warranty, it only has a minor cosmetic flaw according to Provape quality control inspectors. Everyone that I know that bought one can never find the flaw; these can be purchased in the clearance section for $140. Clearance
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I have to say that I tried the eVic ($40 from a co-op) first to see if I would like the size of 18650 PV's. At first it seemed a bit big, now my Twist seems too small. I'm not that impressed with the eVic. I also used the vw setting for about a week, then switched back to vv. For what ever reason in my dyslexic mind, vv just makes more sense.
Variable voltage is all that is necessary, IMO. If I change to a different juice that like higher or lower settings, I have to dial it in anyway.
Variable voltage is all that is necessary, IMO. If I change to a different juice that like higher or lower settings, I have to dial it in anyway.
I would prefer getting a XTAR WP2 over the Tenergy charger they offer. I think it's a better charger. If one really wants a good charger from Provape, get the Pila. My 2¢
Not sure where you have to push the button 19 times came from either? Push it five times and you are in the menu, then go to the option you want and adjust from there.
I loved the idea of the Evic, but held off on it. My choices were the Zmax SS, Evic or Provari. The Evic just came out and I heard a lot of problems with the first version of the software. At the time the Zmax was going for $125, it wasn't hard for me to chose the Provari at that point.
Now the Evic and Zmax are considerably less expensive, but I don't regret my purchase. From what I've seen I'd have killed an Evic in a matter of months with my use. The Zmax might have held up, I can't say for sure, but had I paid that price for it, then seen how fast the price dropped as fast and much as it did, I wouldn't have been very pleased with that purchase! The Vamo wasn't even out at the time, it was vaporware, so it wasn't even a choice. This was around Thanksgiving mind you, just to show how quickly things change!
So the Evic for $140, Zmax for $125 or Provari for $165?
I'm hard on things, I can use my Prov around welders, it can roll down the driveway, it can fall out of my pocket and so on. If these are things you are going to do to your PV, I'd strongly suggest looking at the Provari!
If you are going to be gentle, carry it in a purse/otherwise and want the latest greatest geek technology out there, get an Evic!
If you think you need/want the VW option and aren't going to be that rough on it, look at the Vamo!
If you think you need/want the VW option and are going to be moderately rough on it, look at a SS Zmax!
Figure out what you think will work, research on here and youtube on that model and see if you can live with it's gimmicks, they ALL have gimmicks and quirks! It's a matter of what YOU want and what YOU are willing to put up with to get it.
I loved the idea of the Evic, but held off on it. My choices were the Zmax SS, Evic or Provari. The Evic just came out and I heard a lot of problems with the first version of the software. At the time the Zmax was going for $125, it wasn't hard for me to chose the Provari at that point.
Now the Evic and Zmax are considerably less expensive, but I don't regret my purchase. From what I've seen I'd have killed an Evic in a matter of months with my use. The Zmax might have held up, I can't say for sure, but had I paid that price for it, then seen how fast the price dropped as fast and much as it did, I wouldn't have been very pleased with that purchase! The Vamo wasn't even out at the time, it was vaporware, so it wasn't even a choice. This was around Thanksgiving mind you, just to show how quickly things change!
So the Evic for $140, Zmax for $125 or Provari for $165?
I'm hard on things, I can use my Prov around welders, it can roll down the driveway, it can fall out of my pocket and so on. If these are things you are going to do to your PV, I'd strongly suggest looking at the Provari!
If you are going to be gentle, carry it in a purse/otherwise and want the latest greatest geek technology out there, get an Evic!
If you think you need/want the VW option and aren't going to be that rough on it, look at the Vamo!
If you think you need/want the VW option and are going to be moderately rough on it, look at a SS Zmax!
Figure out what you think will work, research on here and youtube on that model and see if you can live with it's gimmicks, they ALL have gimmicks and quirks! It's a matter of what YOU want and what YOU are willing to put up with to get it.
Personally, there's no way I could justify that amount of money for a mod. If I was in the States and had the option of sending it in easily for upgrades and so on, then maybe, but from Europe it would be a real pain in the bum. I've got an SVD on order and even though it through a group buy, it still took me while to decide to spend that much, but I figured that if I got a dirt cheap mod, I'd just end up replacing it sooner rather than later and end up blatting more cash. I can just see my wife's expression if that happened 
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I have the Pila, and in my mind its worth the extra bucks. Xtar has a new high end charger that looks to be on equal ground of the Pila, time will tell.
If it were me, I would only order a Provari, extension battery cap (if you want it) and the extra warranty (if you want it), and nothing else from Provape. You can get batteries and a charger for significantly less from someplace like RTD Vapor.
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I absolutely love my Provari. I also got a Vamo as a backup.
Both are easy to use, the Provari is easier, feels better in the hand. It is a very solid piece of equipment, and i could swear it vapes much smoother than the Vamo. Each pull seems more consistent. I cant even tolerate our Ego's anymore, lol.
With all of the vids I watched and threads i read in researching, I was terrified that the Provari (and Vamo) would be too confusing, but truly, less than 10 minutes and I had it all figured out. Easy peasy. Now I feel silly for having thought it was so complicated (same with carto/tanking).
The only thing that was "weird" for us after watching vids for weeks.. is that in hand, they are so small compared to what we thought they would be, lol.. They look HUGE in vids.. I thought they would be like flashlights, lol, and I was worried, but they are not. I have small hands and I was very happy. Hubby has monster hands, and he loves it too.
Both are easy to use, the Provari is easier, feels better in the hand. It is a very solid piece of equipment, and i could swear it vapes much smoother than the Vamo. Each pull seems more consistent. I cant even tolerate our Ego's anymore, lol.
With all of the vids I watched and threads i read in researching, I was terrified that the Provari (and Vamo) would be too confusing, but truly, less than 10 minutes and I had it all figured out. Easy peasy. Now I feel silly for having thought it was so complicated (same with carto/tanking).
The only thing that was "weird" for us after watching vids for weeks.. is that in hand, they are so small compared to what we thought they would be, lol.. They look HUGE in vids.. I thought they would be like flashlights, lol, and I was worried, but they are not. I have small hands and I was very happy. Hubby has monster hands, and he loves it too.
Okay, cool. Thanks for all of the information.
As far as the lifetime warranty goes, I would consider being able to send in the device and having it fixed(even for a price) as many years as I have it in the future a lifetime warranty. You dont get that with any of the other chinese made ones.
I'm thinking that if Im going to get one, Im going to go ahead and go to my local vape store. Its 279 in store including a 30ml bottle of e-liquid, a vivi nova, a charger and 2 18490 batteries. If I were to get all that from ProVape or split it up and get the parts from different places, im going to pay as much and have to wait for shipping
As far as the lifetime warranty goes, I would consider being able to send in the device and having it fixed(even for a price) as many years as I have it in the future a lifetime warranty. You dont get that with any of the other chinese made ones.
I'm thinking that if Im going to get one, Im going to go ahead and go to my local vape store. Its 279 in store including a 30ml bottle of e-liquid, a vivi nova, a charger and 2 18490 batteries. If I were to get all that from ProVape or split it up and get the parts from different places, im going to pay as much and have to wait for shipping
If you're only comparing it to other vv's I believe its the best. I've used Zmax's (smoktech and sigelis) Vamos, evics etc.. the whole nine yards. The Provari FEELS the best by far, no lag (looking at you zmax) the button doesn't feel like a chinese toy... It feels perfect, it vapes perfect, and it looks perfect. You get what you pay for.
That review made up my mind as well and I liked how easy it is to change from volts to watts, it was a great way to test the waters for mods. I figure all the money I saved can be spent on American made juice
You really need to check out the Tesla. Only complaint is the button placement and I adjusted to that. I've had two vamo's and the only one left that works is in a drawer. Yea it looks strange but the menu is in plain english. No codes just plain words.
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Looks strange but really works great and a lot lighter than a vamo. BTW just my
Provari still beats em all. And I own several of them.
Lots of great information here. Personally I own 3 Provari's. One Satin Black, and two silver blems. It took me 2 days to find the blems on them and then I had to have the light just right to see them.
As for a Lifetime warrenty, well there are a few. The Precise Plus from Super T Manufacturing is the one that comes to mind. (Mainly cause I want one). But it's straight Mechanical Mod.
Also agree that VW is not what it's cracked up to be. I know what my carto's and nova's ohm out at so all I have to do is tune the voltage in. No problem. And also if you have a smart phone, you can find an "Ohms's law calculator" and put it on your phone.
I use it at work and it comes in handy when I don't want to do the math for people. (I'm no good at math, so I just use the calculator)
To find one just do a search on your smart phone and look for "Ohms law calculator".
As for a Lifetime warrenty, well there are a few. The Precise Plus from Super T Manufacturing is the one that comes to mind. (Mainly cause I want one). But it's straight Mechanical Mod.
Also agree that VW is not what it's cracked up to be. I know what my carto's and nova's ohm out at so all I have to do is tune the voltage in. No problem. And also if you have a smart phone, you can find an "Ohms's law calculator" and put it on your phone.
I use it at work and it comes in handy when I don't want to do the math for people. (I'm no good at math, so I just use the calculator)
To find one just do a search on your smart phone and look for "Ohms law calculator".
i have the evic, the mini provari and a zmax they are all great the provari menu system is a bit on the dumb side and the zmax improves apon the same system (less button pressing) but they both still have a Stone Age screen in my opinion. the evics screen is amazing, the menu is easily navigated and the single button presses (except to get to the menu 5 presses as usual) is very nice i hate counting the clicks i make. the down sides of the evic are that it doesnt seem to feel as well built as the other two but ive been using it for about a month now heavily and nothing has gone wrong at all. on top of that you can get one of these evics for $75.00 on corevape!!
I'd be PO'd if provari switched to anything similar to the evic screen.
Provari just rolled off my bed today. Knocked against the raw iron headboard.
I didn't even pick it up. I was too afraid. I didn't want a gouge through it.
My stupid raw iron headboards have put gouges through two of my mods already.
Including my evic's battery tube. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! "Patina"
Evic's battery tube didn't even drop. I was sitting down and gently tapped it against the raw iron. lol.
Idk why I was ever worried about the provari. It just doesn't scratch. Picked it up and not a mark in sight.
I've dropped this thing like 10 times now and when it does get a mark from being dropped, its just a color change.
To stay on topic, I argue that the above was a testament to the durability in some mods
I don't want a mod to be made of butter and melt when it rolls off my bed. Its a cigarette, right?
How many times did your cigarettes fall into the pool? Or get crushed? Or drop into a wet spot on the bathroom sink?
If your going to be using a hand held machine to "smoke" then you want a durable body for that machine.
That is just something to ponder when you are looking for a MAIN PV. Your MAIN PV. I saw one guy get on here, make a thread, and he bought a XXX 15 minutes later. Well you can do that, buy XXX mod, but don't say no one warned you when you need or WANT a more durable mod in a short period of time after having bought XXX. The vape journey entails growing and learning this for yourself too. I've had a lot of mods disappoint me or break but I promise with all my heart, the provari (or reo, saber, insert american made mod that can be sent in for repairs here etc) is a good quality, I actually have faith in it. I know it can be repaired. That really puts you at ease and I feel like the durability is sort of worth the price tag for a more expensive mod these days. When I started out I never would of admitted that. I didn't believe that. At all. If you are in this for the long term, buy a long term mod. If not, you might end up losing the cheap mod you buy today to a drop or fall, then your back to starting over.
Provari just rolled off my bed today. Knocked against the raw iron headboard.
I didn't even pick it up. I was too afraid. I didn't want a gouge through it.
My stupid raw iron headboards have put gouges through two of my mods already.
Including my evic's battery tube. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! "Patina"
Evic's battery tube didn't even drop. I was sitting down and gently tapped it against the raw iron. lol.
Idk why I was ever worried about the provari. It just doesn't scratch. Picked it up and not a mark in sight.
I've dropped this thing like 10 times now and when it does get a mark from being dropped, its just a color change.
To stay on topic, I argue that the above was a testament to the durability in some mods
I don't want a mod to be made of butter and melt when it rolls off my bed. Its a cigarette, right?
How many times did your cigarettes fall into the pool? Or get crushed? Or drop into a wet spot on the bathroom sink?
If your going to be using a hand held machine to "smoke" then you want a durable body for that machine.
That is just something to ponder when you are looking for a MAIN PV. Your MAIN PV. I saw one guy get on here, make a thread, and he bought a XXX 15 minutes later. Well you can do that, buy XXX mod, but don't say no one warned you when you need or WANT a more durable mod in a short period of time after having bought XXX. The vape journey entails growing and learning this for yourself too. I've had a lot of mods disappoint me or break but I promise with all my heart, the provari (or reo, saber, insert american made mod that can be sent in for repairs here etc) is a good quality, I actually have faith in it. I know it can be repaired. That really puts you at ease and I feel like the durability is sort of worth the price tag for a more expensive mod these days. When I started out I never would of admitted that. I didn't believe that. At all. If you are in this for the long term, buy a long term mod. If not, you might end up losing the cheap mod you buy today to a drop or fall, then your back to starting over.
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The complaints about button presses are hilarious to me. Honestly how often will you be changing voltage, or checking battery life. I have a Provari mini and it feels great, nice and sturdy almost feels like a firearm. You get what you pay for.
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