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I would wager the exact opposite, if forced to. Market growth alone would probably be enough to increase sales. Since they're not a public company though, we can all only guess.

Their market share is certainly dropping.

Sales is more difficult to peg. The only way I can attempt to quantify it is by how many I see out in the world. 2-3 years ago, you would go into a vape store and someone would have one. Usually the employees or owner would all have at least one. Now, those same people are all safely sub-ohming and I just don't see anyone with Provari's.

I was chatting it up with a new vape store owner the other day, and he's never heard of Provari or Provape. I had to ask him how long he's been vaping. 3 years.

I know they say they are solving the cigarette, but how would a newcomer hear about Provari's these days? It's hard for me to see the buying path.

It used to be that everyone agreed that they were the best, but pricey. It was hard to ignore Provari's. These days, I just don't hear about them. It's as if their market is previous Provari owners. Hard to have growth in that scenario.

The other piece of evidence is the lack of reviews. The reviewers aren't even bothering to review them. They don't want to give up their current devices for the review.

I want to want a Provari. I just couldn't give up all of the features my devices have. It has nothing to do woth the price. I have an SX Mini and a VS and I'll probably pick up a Reauleax. I buy USA made whenever I can.

I also think that by criticizing TC and in general safety of competing devices, they are demonstrating their ignorance of the current market. They are the ones using a single 18650. Evolv used to say safety was a big issue with 18650's. So they took the market to LiPo's. Wire an issue? Now, you can pick from many wire types. Now, everyone is following them. If people are mimicking you, then you're doing something right. There aren't too many 40w max non-TC mods coming out.

Provape... Put a DNA200 in that thing and shut me up! Then take my money!
 
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Their market share is certainly dropping.

Sales is more difficult to peg. The only way I can attempt to quantify it is by how many I see out in the world. 2-3 years ago, you would go into a vape store and someone would have one. Usually the employees or owner would all have at least one. Now, those same people are all safely sub-ohming and I just don't see anyone with Provari's.

I was chatting it up with a new vape store owner the other day, and he's never heard of Provari or Provape. I had to ask him how long he's been vaping. 3 years.

I know they say they are solving the cigarette, but how would a newcomer hear about Provari's these days? It's hard for me to see the buying path.

It used to be that everyone agreed that they were the best, but pricey. It was hard to ignore Provari's. These days, I just don't hear about them. It's as if their market is previous Provari owners. Hard to have growth in that scenario.

The other piece of evidence is the lack of reviews. The reviewers aren't even bothering to review them. They don't want to give up their current devices for the review.

I want to want a Provari. I just couldn't give up all of the features my devices have. It has nothing to do woth the price. I have an SX Mini and a VS and I'll probably pick up a Reauleax. I buy USA made whenever I can.

I also think that by criticizing TC and in general safety of competing devices, they are demonstrating their ignorance of the current market. They are the ones using a single 18650. Evolv used to say safety was a big issue with 18650's. So they took the market to LiPo's. Wire an issue? Now, you can pick from many wire types. Now, everyone is following them. If people are mimicking you, then you're doing something right. There aren't too many 40w max non-TC mods coming out.

Provape... Put a DNA200 in that thing and shut me up! Then take my money!
If forced to, I would bet that their sales growth, year over year, would be staggering (all things and indicators considered). I wouldn't be at all surprised if they doubled (Y2Y).
 

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"Variable" is absolutely essential to me (tried mechanical, didn't do it). Watts or volts are irrelevant (to me). I just need to be able to control the power, one way or another.
Big diff between the two though...


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Their market share is certainly dropping.

Sales is more difficult to peg. The only way I can attempt to quantify it is by how many I see out in the world. 2-3 years ago, you would go into a vape store and someone would have one. Usually the employees or owner would all have at least one. Now, those same people are all safely sub-ohming and I just don't see anyone with Provari's.

I was chatting it up with a new vape store owner the other day, and he's never heard of Provari or Provape. I had to ask him how long he's been vaping. 3 years.

I know they say they are solving the cigarette, but how would a newcomer hear about Provari's these days? It's hard for me to see the buying path.

It used to be that everyone agreed that they were the best, but pricey. It was hard to ignore Provari's. These days, I just don't hear about them. It's as if their market is previous Provari owners. Hard to have growth in that scenario.

The other piece of evidence is the lack of reviews. The reviewers aren't even bothering to review them. They don't want to give up their current devices for the review.

I want to want a Provari. I just couldn't give up all of the features my devices have. It has nothing to do woth the price. I have an SX Mini and a VS and I'll probably pick up a Reauleax. I buy USA made whenever I can.

I also think that by criticizing TC and in general safety of competing devices, they are demonstrating their ignorance of the current market. They are the ones using a single 18650. Evolv used to say safety was a big issue with 18650's. So they took the market to LiPo's. Wire an issue? Now, you can pick from many wire types. Now, everyone is following them. If people are mimicking you, then you're doing something right. There aren't too many 40w max non-TC mods coming out.

Provape... Put a DNA200 in that thing and shut me up! Then take my money!
So many unsupported facts, I don't know where to start?!?


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Big diff between the two though...


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Not to me, Turf'ster. Some difference, yes - but not big. My absolute best vape is provided via a VW device, but I've got VV's that outperform some of the VW's I've had (and have).

They're close enough that I can love either/both. I'm easy (surprise!).

BUT, to your point, IF all things were equal (HA!), then yes, VW would trump VV for me. But, alas, equality is but a pipe dream in this great, big vapin' world.
 
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Of course ... but by the same token, I wouldn't be handing a mech over to my mum/wife/daughter/grand-daughter and expect them to always recognise when there is an immediate problem ... mechs and 200W devices are for the hobbyists, and not the user who just wants to replace smoking.

And there are many devices that safely meet that goal, many of them Chinese, but western manufacturing can't compete against eastern manufacturing unless you want to work for less than $1/hr too.
 

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Of course ... but by the same token, I wouldn't be handing a mech over to my mum/wife/daughter/grand-daughter and expect them to always recognise when there is an immediate problem ... mechs and 200W devices are for the hobbyists, and not the user who just wants to replace smoking.

And there are many devices that safely meet that goal, many of them Chinese, but western manufacturing can't compete against eastern manufacturing unless you want to work for less than $1/hr too.

What would I be doing? ;)
 
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