Provari Radius
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My mom got me girl stuff, and my dad bought me boy stuff. I like Barbies and train sets
MY PARENTALS NEVER GOT ME ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
(so not true, but I felt like wine.)
Red or white?Or low.........
MY PARENTALS NEVER GOT ME ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
(so not true, but I felt like wine.)
I'm not sure, being one who's never been much drawn to the concept of vape shops. But I'd venture a guess that a majority of vape-related purchases are done online, versus at a B&M. Again though, that's purely a guess on part, as I've absolutely NO idea...
I am loath to get involved with these types of threads, but your post deserves some comment.
You are making a number of false assumptions, with the big one being that most people who vape are in it for the hobby side of it. That is entirely false. A good estimate, and this from people who are on the front line, is that at least 90% of the market have no interest in the hobby side of vaping. For the great majority of people who vape, both newbies and experienced users, they just want something that works, is no hassle easy, dependable, and safe. And of course keep them off cigarettes.
It appears you have problems with a manufacture who makes a product that does very well for the great majority of the market, and from the looks of things are doing quite well for themselves.
In nearly every industry, the low end drives the volume and the high end drives the development.
If someone buys a Provari, they are advanced users in a sense. They think vaping is important enough to buy a quality device.
I used to say the market is likely 99% cigalikes. It used to be. Now I see lots of box mods. The form factor of the device used to tell more about the type of vaper. Now, the form of your first device depends on whether you bought it in a shop or convenient market.
Also vaping is different then smoking. Do you know any hobbyist cig smokers? Maybe cigars, but not really cogs. If you are using a cigalike, you may have motivation to get a better vape. That is if people are disapointed with those products as the article states. If they are disapponted, they are either looking for a better vape or going back to stinkys. They either enter the more advanced market or drop off.
It's very hard to apply preconceived notions based on the past to new products being developed in an industry thats still in it's infancy. It's also difficult to define who's a hobbyist. Ecigs are unique in that it allows for a hobby to develop. That is what creates a community.
Problems with Provari... No. If their users don't want temp control, thats fine. But don't say it's not ready or unsafe as justification. Lots of vendors sell TC devices. TC can be turned off. Don't say it's because someone is cheap. Lot's of us pay $200 for devices.
I'll give you a good example. I like Canon DSLR's. I have lot's of lenses. But they are getting killed performance wise by Sony's sensors. Canon is disappointing many of it's users. We used to fight in the forums over performance. Now, we're kind of resigned to the fact that they aren't the best. Should I pretend that they are still the best? Or do I give them a hard time about putting out better quality sensors? I think the forum pressure and feedback helps.
Just like ecigs, DSLR sensor technology
trickles down. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Every breakthrough, despit the manufacturer, is a good thing.
I'm also not a big fan of the concept of "best". That's a totally subjective term and should be left to each individual to determine his or hers. I do, however, stand by the following simple statement -
ProVape makes great vaping devices.
They're neither my most-often used nor my personal & absolute favorite devices anymore. That being said, I'm already in the mental-planning stages of what actions I'll take if the FDA regs go through (which I fully expect them to do but remain hopeful they do not). Included with a number of other actions is this one -
I will begin back-piling Provari v2.5's, at about $80 per (brand new), figuring an average lifespan of 4-5 years each (which I also think might be conservative). I will not buy any other devices. Just those, plus coils, liquids & nic by the truckload. Maybe ONE cheap mech-mod too, but I'd hope to never need it because they didn't work for me when I tried them a few years back. I need a "V".
Because of all the devices that I love, Provari remains one of them, and also happens to be the ones I have the most faith in. My reasons are my own, and I'd never try to convince anyone that my way is the correct way. But it IS the way that I will choose. Of that I have no doubt.
Again, this is all "If...", but having a plan is essential to me. And if it does happen, I'll be thankful again that I'm a low-wattage vaper with very simple tastes.
ProVape makes great vaping devices.
They're neither my most-often used nor my personal & absolute favorite devices anymore. That being said, I'm already in the mental-planning stages of what actions I'll take if the FDA regs go through (which I fully expect them to do but remain hopeful they do not). Included with a number of other actions is this one -
I will begin back-piling Provari v2.5's, at about $80 per (brand new), figuring an average lifespan of 4-5 years each (which I also think might be conservative). I will not buy any other devices. Just those, plus coils, liquids & nic by the truckload. Maybe ONE cheap mech-mod too, but I'd hope to never need it because they didn't work for me when I tried them a few years back. I need a "V".
Because of all the devices that I love, Provari remains one of them, and also happens to be the ones I have the most faith in. My reasons are my own, and I'd never try to convince anyone that my way is the correct way. But it IS the way that I will choose. Of that I have no doubt.
Again, this is all "If...", but having a plan is essential to me. And if it does happen, I'll be thankful again that I'm a low-wattage vaper with very simple tastes.
I have a plan ... once satisfied vape wise ... stock up on everything you use ... as it may not be available tomorrow.
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I'm trying to figure out if I'm better off adding a couple more quality devices or 10 cheap mods to stash away. Even if the cheapies only lasted 2 years, that's 20 years worth of regulated devices. IF the Radius were 60W, I would be very likely to add one. As of now I'm on the fence. And leaning more towards "easily repairable" mods. I have a lot of mechs.. some of my regulated mods could easily be modded to use a mosfet. Right now I'm thinking it would be easy to keep repairing an OKR type box so I may get a couple of those.
I haven't been vaping long enough yet to know how long my cheap mods can last. I have a few that are 15 months old. The funny part is one is an istick 20W though its with a friend now. And another is a ZNA clone. I've only bought a couple clone mods as generally they aren't what I would call quality, but that one is. Its very well put together with thick wiring. So are my Sigeleis so I'm expecting those to last a decent amount of time.
So I'm in a quandry...am I better off buying 10 Sigeleis?
I haven't been vaping long enough yet to know how long my cheap mods can last. I have a few that are 15 months old. The funny part is one is an istick 20W though its with a friend now. And another is a ZNA clone. I've only bought a couple clone mods as generally they aren't what I would call quality, but that one is. Its very well put together with thick wiring. So are my Sigeleis so I'm expecting those to last a decent amount of time.
So I'm in a quandry...am I better off buying 10 Sigeleis?
I am not going to give a reply to your last post as it is just to off the wall to give a rational response, but I did want to follow up on the above.
I watched snippets of a 3 part review by a respected reviewer on the DNA 200. I would guess that is over three hours to try and explain how to use it. Okay, that one is not on my list of must have devices.
Then I ran across this
Go to about 19 minutes where he goes into the bit about the DNA 200 chip randomly failing, and from the sound of it not an uncommon occurrence. The bizarre part of the review is, even though the chip has obvious reliability issues, he is so enthusiastic about the latest and greatest shiny new toy he still recommends it. This is obviously someone who has nearly completely lost touch with what an average mainstream person is looking for.
Listen to what you have to do to get it repaired, and then tell me what a great device it is and how the DNA 200 is a home run.
To my ears it sounds like the DNA 40 all over again, but worse.
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All electronics can break. Is it this thread we've seen two DOA radius's?
You can always send a DNA to your retailer for replacement. The guys who cantact Evolv are doing it the hard way hoping it will go quickly.
Lots of companies are using the DNA200. Some are bad box makers. Some don't know batteries. Buy from a good one and it will have a warranty. A $120 mod isn't the same as a $200 even with the same board.
It took me 3m to figure out Escribe. Profile images and all.
I know, I know... Don't feed the Trolls.
But, Having just reviewed your past posts about other-than ProVape products.
It seems you may be having problems with your new shineys too!!!
Welcome to the Club! Lets agree to disagree, and meet back here in 12 months.
Then We'll See Who's Still Standin...
What say you?
Jim
Trying to figure out what I had issues with... Atlantis Ni coils? The only device I've had issues with is one of my Vamos. I replaced the top cap and it's fine.
I found them to be inconsistent even with the non-TC ones, so I'm not blaming the device. I recently switched to a Crown tank and my vape got exponentially better.
But, again. We need a good box builder to use the DNA chip. Provari would be a perfect candidate. I don't want to give up the DNA features to buy a good box.
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